Hive Reputation and Hive Wings

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Source: Unknown informant on discord.

Inspired by a mystery user that shared this gold. I have taken measures to censor the user’s discord name with red lines to prevent people pissed by the jest. I also won’t be revealing the #9556 tag on his discord name for additional safety reasons.

In exchange for short term rewards one just trades their long term income generating opportunities from getting curated and the benefits of participating in the community. It’s hard to sell those long term gains when people are preoccupied with the price action and what value they can get with the least amount of effort at the shortest amount of time.

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The red line is an event in a Hive user’s growth where they committed some taboo. This is usually in the form of plagiarism, spam, or conflict in the community they belong. This red line would often become the barrier to access future rewards because digital reputation here on Hive matters.

The length of stay on the platform with effort to learn the ecosystem and get involved with the community is directly proportional to the social rewards. Putting out good content is only the minimum.

Once it’s posted, it’s forever. So make sure you promptly do damage control when you make an oopsie otherwise prolonging the explanation would work against you. There are a lot of things that can be excused especially if you’re new to the platform but the longer the tenure the more unforgiving the community can be.

A person that lacks the ability to make content that suits a curator’s liking is far better to encourage than a piece of shit that wants the easy route and refuses to be accountable for it. The former can still improve while the latter figuratively committed social suicide within the community they belong. Never take your digital identity on the blockchain for granted because people will remember and even those who weren’t present that time can still access the records.

Redemption is still possible, but don’t expect people would forget your previous blunders especially when you don’t commit to be fully accountable for them. The golden rule I follow is to not do stupid shit I don’t want to own up to and that goes for the downvotes I occasionally cast and the drama I get involved with. Being accountable on the blockchain is a rarity because most would just powerdown silently than own up to their mistakes.

They may try to bargain with the community in the hopes that sins can be forgiven but would a simple I’m sorry really cut it when they’ve done identity theft, stole content, and repeated it with multiple accounts to make the most of their tenure? I’m sorry for the hundredth account please forgive me after I used someone else’s identity/work for my own selfish gain.

The platform isn’t going to fail if it doesn’t give you any money. And I really wonder what levels of entitlement goes into people’s heads when they think they deserve the social rewards just for sharing an opinion or interest? Worse, stuff they don’t own and selling an identity they don’t have. It’s been a rough week and I spent a good amount of time tracking some user that chronically creates fake profiles just for a few cents and giggles.

The safest way to earn from the platform is just do what you can to avoid conflict and make friends with everybody. But sometimes this isn’t the right route all the time, it’s an easy route of course but not an ideal route. I know some users would just prefer to keep quiet when their peers commit an oopsie because they don’t want any trouble.

This where minding your network also matters because these actually contribute to your overall reputation in the community. If you get involved with users that do shady business, you would get lumped together with those users by association. It’s unfair even if you haven’t done anything stupid yet right? But that’s how it usually happens in real life and the blockchain is no different especially when there’s connections that can be traced in permanent record.

The greatest asset a Hive user has is their reputation and if they took this for granted, things will usually end up getting unpleasant for their stay on the platform. Again, never do things you don’t want to be held accountable for in the first place. Most wouldn’t even care about your excuses because the act would usually speak for itself, that edit post option isn’t going to hide anything. Welcome to the blockchain.

If you made it this far reading, thank you for your time.



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So true. Great post thanx for sharing. YEEES

The greatest asset a Hive user has is their reputation and if they took this for granted, things will usually end up getting unpleasant for their stay on the platform.

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"The greatest asset a Hive user has is their reputation and if they took this for granted, things will usually end up getting unpleasant for their stay on the platform. Again, never do things you don’t want to be held accountable for in the first place. Most wouldn’t even care about your excuses because the act would usually speak for itself, that edit post option isn’t going to hide anything. Welcome to the blockchain."

I couldn't agree more. Our reputation is very important not only in the blockchain but also in the real world. It is difficult to build a good reputation in the blockchain, it does take a lot of time, engagement and things to prove to be worthy but it only takes a few mistakes to lose it all. I can really feel the passion in you while reading your post. This is a good reminder and a wake up call to those who are doing shady businesses in the platform.

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I can really feel the passion in you while reading your post. This is a good reminder and a wake up call to those who are doing shady businesses in the platform.

That passion is often called a mood and while redemption is possible, it's going to be a steep climb back to one.

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This speaks so directly to my early days, and is probably still applicable to things I haven’t learned yet. There are so many nuances to this environment, it’s a lot to wrap your head around, and most of the things I know how to do properly, I know because someone was kind enough to correct me.

  1. introduction post was more of a two sentence “about me” blurb. Edited, learned, and now am conscious about taking things to a deeper level thanks to that feedback. Sometimes I still post image-only content, but when I do, I’m putting it up for the record and not expecting gains; effort goes a long way on the chain I’ve found.
  2. upvoting yourself. I did this to all my posts in the beginning, just cuz I figured I made this, and I like it! But a kind friend explained to me that this is frowned soon since votes are monetized and curation also yields rewards. Easy enough, you learn and you stop.
  3. shaky ground for me, getting involved with controversial people vs. shit content fake profile people. I shied away from being opinionated at first because of the importance I place on my reputation here. I was concerned that engaging with people on one side or another of an issue could affect my rewards. This I decided to approach with discretion, but if I have to pretend I’m something I’m not in order to succeed here, it fails because I mostly do this for personal enjoyment. So I’m cautious about being affirmative or aggressively opinionated, and I try to focus mostly on my arts of specialty.

I have maintained a few practices I’m not sure about. The biggest one is how I manage my communities. I made them so I’d have places to post specialized content, but more and more as I progress On HIVE, I’m learning that communities here are not subreddits. I post my content in the communities I built for this type of stuff, that I am sure is no problem. I delegated some HP to a few of my communities so they could engage (they don’t though, I just do that personally…that may be an issue. Am I failing at managing my communities if I don’t use the accounts to do much?), I’m sure delegations are fine, but then when I post content to one of my communities, I’ll usually switch over to that community to reboot and upvote it from the community account. If I see a post from someone else that belongs in the community, I do the same for their content. Is this frowned upon? The intent is to show people that if they post there, the community will upvote and reboot their content, but if I’m giving off shithead vibes with this practice I’d really want to stop that.

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Thanks for this, I really like content that helps me learn the ropes here!

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Despite your best efforts, sometimes it's beyond your control especially when you make plans where the outcome is at the mercy of other people's cooperation. Building a community is like that, most of the time people engage out of rewards motivation than being invested in what you envision on the long term. You can make all the right moves but failure can still happen and that outcome does not necessarily mean its all on you. Hive as a general ecosystem fails at marketing more users on the blogging side even when there is much more $ to be made just by sharing an opinion or a hobby.

The same advice still applies, get involved with stuff you don't want to regret if you get called out for and promptly make amends if needed. Get interested in the community so that the community can have more reasons to get interested in you and growth takes time, months or years. It's only after 3 years did I even get to reach the level of rewards I consistently get now. I attribute it to just being surrounded by people whom I just interdependently provide value along with.

If you look at the top earners, the consistent ones are usually those with their comment sections filled with activities and getting more involvement with other people. There are outliers of course, plenty of those just posting for a quota because these accounts weren't intended to be built to be a community player.

I delegated some HP to a few of my communities so they could engage (they don’t though, I just do that personally…that may be an issue. Am I failing at managing my communities if I don’t use the accounts to do much?)

Part of the underlying problem with community building is trying to motivate someone that doesn't see value in the effort. You can give people more income sources from the blockchain but they'll only see that as an income source and less about what you're trying to build on the long term.

It sucks but this is what most people are wired when they enter the blockchain but some can grow out of that motivation and get behind what project you're running with. It's going to stretch your patience but this is how I eventually found like-minded people when I stuck long enough. So the right community members you wish you had may just not be familiar with Hive yet. (I met my groups after 2 years of exploration since I've been on multiple communities on Hive.) Good luck on that journey and thank you for the thoughtful reply :>

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I think it guides us to the right path, the right attitude or behavior.

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Reputation is definitely crucial on here! Just like life, it’s hard to come up with a good one and even harder to repair one if it goes sideways.

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Yes, and most come here new thinking they can just delete previous oopsies like people aren't going to held them accountable for those.

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That's definitely one aspect of that kind of thing.

I don't even know how or why that's a thing. Entitlement kind of spins me out.

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Muh rewards! I deserve them for my hard work and people love my work. You just can't understand the complexity of my genius and did I tell you how much my hive wings are beautiful?

I don't either but these kind of thinking do exist.

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I see you've been around dA or ff.net or other places where people hate having their Mary Sues criticised.

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Gary Stu also. Self inserts are probably one of the best ways to kill one's growth as they become too attached to an ideal that may just be a phase.

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Yep them too.

It's not that unusual to create Mary Sue characters especially in the early stages of one's storytelling career. I think most people who keep it up will eventually move past it as it's extremely boring to work with.

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If you're invested with your ideals, they don't seem so. I remember my own perfect characters until I grew out of them. Some can't let go.

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And eyes, too, don't forget your eyes.

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well said and well written! Some excellent things to think about!
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Well said! Hive is not a 'magic money machine' and your rewards depend on what others think of what you do. There will be people who get it wrong initially due to lack of understanding and they should be given a chance, but we see so many who refuse to take a hint and persist with scammy behaviour. Hive would be a real cesspit if it were not for the efforts of people like yourself.

Reputation needs to be earned, but can easily be lost.

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People need to earn their audience to get somewhere and those require more than just putting out content. This is the same thing for what happens in the real world. A lot of good ideas get turned down not because they're bad, it's just that the person making the pitch isn't making good rapport to the person they're selling the idea too. And it also helps if you got a good reputation standing because people are going to know about you before you get to know about them sort of deal. Thanks for stopping by :>

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I've seen plenty of people try to earn here without building an audience. They don't tend to get far. We've all sorts of abuse. I don't see that stopping and it could get worse, so we need to be vigilant.

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I expect more drama as more people come into the platform making some adjustments with this fact. The easy money sell some users claim and the harsh reality where it's an intensive attention economy. I've been thinking of a post that focuses on what a curator's role is on Hive for a greater good but can't seem to find the right momentum as I also tend to destroy my draft with cynicism.

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The flip-flopping, not only within the conversation but within the same sentence, is hilarious really. It's like: "fuck you! I love you. I never want to see you again, can I come over tonight?" 😆
It is a shame though that there are people who abuse something and don't even realize that it's an issue and then after its pointed out to them they fail to admit any wrong doing. You can't trust a person like that because you know they haven't/won't learn from their mistakes. Besides there is a whole other platform where they can do that sort of crap. It's a place where all the scammers can get together and scam each other lol. They should go there - they probably are there as well 🤔

Reputation is everything online - well said!

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Yep, @stayten couldn't have said it better.

I still believe people can redeem themselves but they have a lot of ground to work with compared to someone with a clean record. They also have to deal with their blunders brought up indefinitely and I think it's partly unfair especially if they have worked their way off that blunder for the better. Thanks for stopping by :>

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Yeah I suppose people should be given a second chance and the opportunity to redeem themselves. I'm not sure about a person with multiple accounts that is impersonating others though lol

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I wish them a bad breakfast in all their mornings, stub their toe in a sharp part of a cabinet's corner every afternoon, and get explosive diarrhea in the evening to relieve their hemorrhoids. I'm speaking about the dude that impersonates others.

Have a good weekend :D

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I always find it cringe when I see several people posting that sort of "thankful" posts a day in certain communities. Yeah, I can feel happy for them that Hive enabled some good in their lives, but something still feels off.

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As history has shown, many cross that line...it's a matter of when.

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