Does Hive have an identity crisis?

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I've been struggling with the idea of Hive being a social media platform for quite some time now. So far I just haven't been able to bring myself to accept the fact that Hive might be social media.

I don't use Hive the same way I do Facebook. It's honestly a totally different group of people. I don't think half the people that I follow on Facebook would be able to handle Hive. I don't go to Hive to watch videos on how to throw a disc golf disc or make a cool new bbq dish the way I do on Instagram.

In fact, that is one of the things that I find really lacking in Hive. Don't get me wrong, 3Speak is great, but I feel like there needs to be an easier way to share short videos on Hive. For example, if I go to a concert and I take a quick video why do I have to host that somewhere else to include it in a standard blog post? Facebook doesn't make me do that, nor does Instagram.

Trust me, I know, if you want to be technical, Hive is just a blockchain. The better argument might be to say that 3Speak, Ecency, or Peakd is a social media app, they just run on the Hive blockchain.

If you phrased it like that, I would probably concede the argument.

Let's go to Webster for a definiition:

: forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos)

Okay, so if we are relying on Webster as the deciding factor, it appears I might have been wrong all along.

For me though it just feels different. What I do on Hive feels different than what I do on any other social media platform. My daily routine on Hive feels more like distribution and consumption of content more than it feels like social interaction.

Don't get me wrong, I think there is social interaction, but I think it is secondary to the distribution and consumption of content. While that is what Hive started as, I don't think that is the direction that many people see it heading.

I guess my point is in my opinion, we still aren't there yet. Honestly, I don't think we are even close.

The other kicker is, I don't think there is consensus right now about "that" being where we want to be. I think a bunch of different people have a bunch of different ideas about what Hive is or what they expect Hive to be in the future. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but could this identity crisis be part of the reason Hive isn't growing (in terms of users) the way we might hope?

I'm actually kind of sad that Appics jumped ship and stayed with STEEM and then eventually moved to TELOS. I know some people on here are still using the app. I have an account (I think @onealfa
does too), but I always forget to use it. Probably because I don't have the stake over there like I do on Hive. Appics is probably one of the most polished blockchain apps I have seen in my four years dealing with crypto. It is probably the closest thing to Instagram that is out there right now.

Yet how many of you use it or even know about it? How much of the world do you think even knows about it? Clearly I am not saying if Hive had an app like that things would be different. I honestly don't know, but I doubt it.

With all of the awesome stuff going on with HBD and the future of smart contracts on Hive, it is possible blogging and "social media" becomes the thing that Hive is least known for.

What do you think?

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I don't use Hive the same way I do Facebook.
I don't think half the people that I follow on Facebook would be able to handle Hive.

I agree... so what the hell is Hive and why would I rather be here than outside?

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You can earn money I guess. I am honestly not sure. Actually, you may have just given me the idea for a new post. Thanks!

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I think we can (probably will) build it all on Hive: content platforms, social media, gaming, and more. In terms of identity, I think as the platforms and communities develop, we will actually begin to think of ourselves less as Hiveans and more as our niche communities' members: PeakD users, Dreemport writers, Liktu photographers, etc. I'm sure there are already a bunch of Splinterlands players who barely know they are on Hive. It's kind of sad to think we'll lose the sense of a coherent, Hive community, but I think that's what mass adoption and true success will look like. And in many ways it has already happened.

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Great points. I don't think that separation is necessarily a bad thing. If you look back at the chain we came from there was a huge misunderstanding about what was the chain and what the platforms were that ran on it. Being able to regulate Hive to a base layer that becomes more of something you mention in passing might not be a bad thing.

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It's almost like Americans thinking of themselves more as Texans or Rhode Islanders than as Americans; or as Canadians thinking of themselves more as Albertans or Nova Scotians than as Canadians. Or it's like users of Android phones thinking of themselves and Samsung or LG users rather than as users of Android.

What matters is that Hive is the glue which binds us all together. No Hive, then no Splinterlands or LeoFinance or Ecency.

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As it is, Hive (or peakd) isn't social media, it's blogging, which is sharing writing. I guess maybe technically that is social media, but it's a very different kind of social media than FB or Twitter. We may move forward from here, but we aren't there yet. I'm not sure I want to have that kind of social media here. Half the posts on FB are just complaining about something (usually politics, but other things too), and if they do have replies a lot of the time it just turns into fighting. I suppose when posting is as easy as FB makes it, the complaining and fighting are inevitable. I'd like to think that the higher barrier to posting on Hive encourages people to be more civil and polite with each other. On FB it is "I disagree with you so you are wrong and a bleeping idiot and I will tell you why". On Hive it seems a little more polite at least, something like "I disagree, and here is why, but I respect your opinion". But who knows, I could be living in a fantasy.

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I totally agree with you. This pretty much sums up what I have felt for a while now. They just aren't the same. I don't know as though they will ever be. I don't know if they ever need to be.

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What exactly is "social media"?

I've always thought everything from the BBS's of the 70s until Facebooks and Twitters of today are social media. Different social media, but social media all the same.

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Apparently according to the dictionary you wouldn't be wrong.

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I used to run a BBS in my youth. As a media it found it very social. :)

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We were on one when I was younger, my dad did stuff on it, but I was a bit too young to mess around with it. By the time I was old enough the Internet was fully functional.

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The Bulletin Board systems of the 1980s and 1990s were social media before the term was coined. They would just be different from Facebook-style social media in many ways.

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(I think @onealfa
does too),...

You bet I do it. Everyday.
Here is my stake:

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Nice! I need to jump in there a bit more than I have been. I have plenty of pics to share, but I don't have much of a following so I feel like my good shots just go to waste. It took them forever to make the move to TELOS, but I really feel like the team has done a great job with the App.

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I was wary of trying APPICS because it was still associated with SteemIt, but since it's on Telos I may check it out. It gives me a reason to explore Telos.

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Lot's to love about TELOS. It's based on EOSIO, so still a lot of the same things we love about Hive like fast fee-less transactions. Like I said, I should really use it more than I do. I am always taking photos with my phone.

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Hive can be whatever people make it to be, honestly, just need the right people building the right apps.

I believe that is the point it gives developers the bare bones to build off while allowing them to get their projects funded and tested as they go.

A lot of time, money and people have gone into developing the social media we know now and before that the internet.

Hive is 5 years old, the internet is what nearly 40 years and Facebook is what 18 years, you may need to check those numbers 🤣

People forget i think how shit it all use to be or maybe i am just getting old.

If people want Hive to be the same or as good it needs the time, money and talent to develop it.

Just my humble opinion thanks for sharing on Listnerds😎

Have the best day @bozz

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I don't disagree with that. I think one day it could be something like what we are used to, but right now it is just not that. It's actually quite far removed from it in my opinion. I do remember when Facebook first came out. It was absolutely spartan and horrible!

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Yes exactly my friend Hive will get there.
Have the a great weekend @bozz
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Great points. I do a lot of onboarding and describing HIVE as web3 social media kind of shuns some of the other great things about it. We all know social was the 1st proof of concept but its so much more than that

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Are the people you are onboarding longtime users of other social media platforms? Or are they new to all of this?

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Mostly longtime users...music artists but more brands and businesses as of late

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Have you heard of liketu? It gets pretty close to Insta and still interacts with HIVE. It is superior to what instagram can do in many ways. And you can log in with keychain. We are getting there. Also @peakopenprojects could be the place to ask for such things.
And for the social media aspect:
I found your post on threads. Which is social media.
Definition of social media: memes on a scrollable wall
Check!

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Does liketu allow you to add short videos without hosting them somewhere else? Is there a mobile app for it or do you have to use a crappy mobile browser to access it on a phone?

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You are right there is no videofeature, i think when SPK network is up and running there will be a hivetok. As for the crappy mobilebrowser I have not tried it on the phone yet.

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Ah, okay. I'd like for there to be something mobile like Insta. It's just easier since most of us live on our phones these days.

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That is absoluely true and I hope that the developers on this chain will find some amazing solutions. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here. I feel that mobile development should be pushed way more, since a lot of people don't even own a PC or laptop and use their phones for day to day social media activity.

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Yep, mobile development is huge. It doesn't matter how responsive a web page is, people want native apps for things. On top of that, I think they need to figure out a way to tie Google Play and Apple ID accounts to Hive. People want to just be able to download apps and use them, not create separate logins and stuff.

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I read a lot of stuff on Hive plus I enjoy a lot of videos and pictures too. I rarely post to FB these days and only really use it to stay in touch with certain people and groups. My Hive friends don't overlap too much with those, although a few have come over. I think Hive could be used for short form content (e.g. with LikeTu and DBuzz) and that ought to be acceptable. Not everyone wants to read long posts. What you cannot do here is restrict who can see a post, so I am not likely to share much family stuff.

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Yeah, that is a good point too. That will probably never be the case I guess given the nature of Blockchain.

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I call it CSM Complicated Social Media.

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Yeah man, this is the fork in the road for me too.

I think it's almost looked down upon on Hive, to embrace short form content. I really think apps like Liketu had potential because it's built for...Short form.

But then you have to deal with people that scream 'it's not quality content because it doesn't have 1500 words in it'...

This kills Hive as a social media platform way more than anything else. Content should be embraced, no matter what. And before the police tell ya 'it's low quality', it's subjective. If I wanna see some pictures and enjoy it, no one can tell me it's low quality if I'm enjoying it.

Urghhh...I can go on and on lol Great discussion!

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Thanks I appreciate that. I totally get it too. This split has been brewing for a long time. I hope there will eventually be some kind of resolution. I can see both sides. I totally appreciate the sanctity of Hive, but we need a balance without misguided principles getting in the way. I thought DLike was pretty cool when it was out, but there was so much abuse. Then you have platforms like Pintrest that no one bats an eye at. It's curious.

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I think social media as it was, say 20 years ago, has lost its lustre. I think that there is a cohort of discerning young people that would rather not splab about their lives and have it live for posterity on the ether. Similarly, there are the exhibitionists that would like nothing more, but this is not the platform because the following isn't big enough to ...ahem...really influence.

I think folk are very interested in money. I think there are gazillions of people who think they create fab content. Right now, there are two things: the value of Hive and how difficult it is to get going on the blockchain. It's complicated and resource hungry. Even before we think about the added layer of complicated front ends.

My 2c worth.

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I agree, onboarding is an issue. I also agree that just getting your hands on Hive isn't as easy as it should be. Especially if you live in the US. It is pretty much a nightmare unless you want to start creating content. I think older folks are interested in money. Probably younger folks too, but not in the same way. Not by any stretch. Their time is what matters most to them from what I have seen and sitting around pounding out a 1000 word post or consuming multiple 1000 word posts is not appealing to them at all.

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It is pretty much a nightmare unless you want to start creating content.

That's how I have done it. Our weak currency, not to mention cash constipation made it unthinkable.

pounding out a 1000 word post or consuming multiple 1000 word posts is not appealing to them at all

I agree. I think that's for those of us who've reached a more contemplative stage in life (ha!) and engage differently. I've long said that this is not a one-size-fits-all space and for too long the devs focussed on the youths and ignored the somewhat older cohort that does (sometimes) create really readable content.

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Yes, that older piece needs to be more accepting of short form content too. That is the way things are going and some of these targeted downvotes on "low quality content" simply because it is shorter is not beneficial to the growth of Hive.

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I have Appics as an app, but I didn't know about them being on Telos. Thank you for explaining that why I can't connect my old Steem account to it.

If it was Hive I would use it all of the time. Right now I use Ecency more, and I am starting to try to bring back humanity to 3Speak.

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I use Ecency quite a bit at night when I am home on my phone. Most of the time on my computer at work I use PeakD. I logged into Appics the other day and messed around with it a bit again.

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I think I'll use Appics as a secondary Instagram for now but I do hope that they see the benefit of incorporating Hive at some point. I also use PeakD on my PC when I am at home, like now. Ecency allows me to take photos at a restaurant and write a review at the same time.

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That is pretty cool. I really love the recent updates they made to Ecency. It is much more functional now for a lot of the things I use it for.

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I personally think some of the communities on the Hive come close to social media. The Hive itself is much bigger.

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Interesting point, @bozz

There is a long way to go to get the Dapps to have apps with easy-to-use user interfaces.

I believe that THREADS is a step in the right direction, but it needs a phone app.

I understand that Liketu is working on a mobile app, so we are getting there.

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Mobile apps are pretty much a must these days.

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Thanks for the opportunity to be self-reflective and introspective about ourselves as Hive users. Indeed a micro blogging platform and photo sharing platform for mobile would be great especially if it enabled us to earn in the same way via upvotes. Let me investigate the options mentioned, like Ecency, Liketu etc for mobile.

I am making the effort to use Leo Threads nowadays, for what it's worth. Hove has so much potential, I wish mass adoption would arrive lol.

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I think threads is just going to get better and better. It has a good dedicated team behind it.

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