$318 trillion market cap - Approach Hive-Engine numbers with caution

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There's an old saying: Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics.

There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. - Mark Twain

I love Hive-Engine...I don't want this post to seem otherwise. They are offering data on their front ends of H-E and Tribaldex, which is great. However, I think it's important for users to approach Hive-Engine (H-E) numbers with caution.

Looking at the H-E "tokens" page reveals a list of current tokens. At the time of this writing, there are about 432 tokens listed (16 per page on my screen, times 27 screens is 432...I didn't want to count). You can see the currently live list of tokens at https://hive-engine.com/?p=tokens. They are listed by most 24 hour volume downward. Those tokens with zero 24 hour volume are listed by the order of their creation, I think, from oldest down to the newest. Currently, DEC is atop the listings. It will likely stay there for some time and with good reason due to the popularity of Splinterlands. Other "big name" Hive tokens and brands are likely atop that list and rightfully so as well.

These data are great. But, in my view, things here can be deceptive.

Glaring things

The most glaring thing to me that could be interpreted wrong is the "Market Cap" data. It seems simple enough and you might say, "Oh, that's how much this token is worth, I got it." Umm, slow down.

You can sort all the tokens by Market Cap by clicking that column. There's no doubt this is a useful metric, but...

If you clicked "Market Cap" today, you'll see things re-sorted from lowest-to-highest. Click it again and it'll go from highest-to-lowest. Right now, I see MOOBEE listed at the top of the list. The MooBees token (love the name, by the way) is listed with a market cap of $318 trillion. $318T sounds really good...far bigger than Bitcoin! 300 times bigger than Apple. This is good, right?

Understand how this "Market Cap" metric works: it's fourth grade math, maybe second grade, thus I think I get it.

Supply x closePrice = Market Cap

Here's an example of "closePrice" in action for the BEE token if you'd like to see: https://accounts.hive-engine.com/marketHistory?symbol=BEE. The top line is most recent.

In the case of MooBees above, the formula comes out as...

520,000 x 612,874,732 = $318,694,860,783,936 (with a little rounding off).

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The PewDiePie Coin is easier to see:
1,000,000 x 4,110 = $4,110,300,000

Again, it's just the "Supply" times the closePrice (closePrice is just the price at the last transaction).

Manipulation

Of course, the two variables (supply and closePrice) can be manipulated at any time.

To manipulate the Supply: SUPPLY x closePrice = market cap

The owner of a token can issue/mint more tokens at any moment (up to the token's max). Notice the "i" by each token on Hive-Engine.com. It reveals the circulating supply and the max supply. Circulating supply is how many token have already been minted, and the max is, well, the max that can ever be minted. The token creator can mint at whim (and thus, affect the market cap of the token).

As a case study, I run the LUV token. This morning, the circulating supply was 30,000. New LUV tokens are minted to the @LUVshares account. They are released to Hive users when Hivers call the LUVbot via the !LUV command. Since the @LUVshares account was down to only around 200 LUV, it was time to mint more LUV.

Look at the market cap of LUV this morning before minting...LUV had a market cap of $615.27.

Then, I minted 4,000 more LUV.

And...by magic, the market cap of LUV appeared as $697.27. The ten seconds it took me to mint 4,000 LUV resulted in a roughly 12% increase in "market cap" for the LUV token.

Imagine if I had minted more than only 4,000. LUV has a max of 10 billion LUV. Had I minted all 10,000,000,000, then the market cap would've reported:

10,000,000,000 x 0.02051 = 205,100,000

Those numbers are silly.

To manipulate the closePrice: supply x PRICE = market cap

Anyone can buy or sell a token at any moment. This transaction price will go down as the "closePrice". That is "closePrice" will be listed on the Hive-Engine "Price" column. This is the one that gets multiplied by the Supply. (I made this tool: http://crrdlx.websavvy.work/heconverter/index.html to keep an eye on prices. It uses the closePrice as well. Look at the "About" page for details on closePrice and other H-E api data.)

This is a free and open market. Anyone can buy or sell anything, and that's certainly fine. Do your thing.

And folks do do their thing. About two weeks ago, the largest holder of the LUV token decided to sell out at any price. The closePrice took a nose dive for a couple of days. A few days later, someone decided to by a lot of LUV and the price shot upward. This is what can happen with small volume, small market tokens. It really doesn't take much money at all to yield a wild price swing in appearance. The flat red line below shows that no one was selling LUV at that time.

This can happen on larger tokens. A couple of months ago, someone bought up all of the POB tokens that were for sale. Every single one. The result was a brief, but wild, price fluctuation. POB is one of the biggest H-E tokens there is, yet still, it took a relatively small amount of money for this whale to wildly splash the price around.

Lesson...be cautious when observing H-E data and H-E token price swings.

Did you know that you can monitor who is buying and selling Hive-Engine tokens? You can. There's an old saying that goes like this..."Sunshine is the best disinfectant." That aphorism is aimed at germs and perhaps viruses, but it also applies to information. That's why there are "Sunshine Laws"...law requiring information to be released for public scrutiny. The premise is...if things are out in the the sunshine's open, there is less chance for shenanigans to take place in the dark places.

The website https://jjb777.github.io/hive-engine-classic/ looks exactly like Hive-Engine.com, but it's the "classic" version of H-E. Click "Tokens" then click a favorite token's market page (the horizontal arrows). You'll see Buy Orders, Sell Orders, and Trade History...with usernames. This is an interesting tool to monitor a token's actions. Whenever there's a wild price swing, take a look and it just might be enlightening.

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Can you burn some LUV too, so the price goes up instead?

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That's an idea, but I don't plan to do that now. Reasons: 1. I really don't want to get into trying to influence any prices...the market should do that. 2. the concept seems kind of odd to me to mint tokens and then burn them. 3. if you mean burn off the top of the 10 billion max, that's possible, but I'd rather keep it open-ended now 4. mostly though, I have only been minting new tokens whenever the supply for the LUVbot has been getting low.

Overall, I think the circulating supply of LUV is very low at only 34K especially when compared to most other active tokens (which are usually in the hundreds of thousands or millions).

!LUV

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I wonder what MOOBEE is all about.

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lol. Me too. If I wasn't clicking on that alternate HE link, I would be all over it.

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Ok so alternate Hive-Engine is cook.

And MooBee is the same person/team/ who is doing the FUK token (or something like that) and they are fighting the people who put voices in your head electronically.

So... I won't be buying MooBee coins.

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Its always interesting for me when I see that my tokens are worth "a lot" but then if I try to sell, I can only sell less than 1 HIVE worth of them, before the price shoots down.

Great read, I appreciated it.

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Yes, there's a big spread on many tokens.

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Thanks for explaining what happened to the price of 1 LUV. I was wondering what would cause a 99.96% drop.

As for MOOBEE, how did 1 MOOBEE get to be worth USD 612,874,732 in the first place? Short of defining the price at its creation, it has to be a manipulation.


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MOOBEE is meant to be a public service announcement for voice to skull/electronic terrorism. I Dont think it will ever be distributed. It also shows how easy it is to manipulate any market.

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Proof of concept makes sense, especially to show how market manipulation can be done. Given its price, it's not likely there is someone out there who is able to buy 1 MOOBEE or even the smallest unit of one.


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