RIP Beeswap - Crypto-Dreamr remembers
We love(d) Beeswap, I know we did because I did, and I used it almost every day for years. There is a lot of story, a lot of history to remember - and as they say, "to love and have lost, is better than never having loved at all". We can also see some interesting parallels with The Legacy of ARCHON, I have no idea if other people are learning some of these lessons along side of me or not - but I am writing about them and they are meaningful to me (which is my bar for a HIVE post anyway).
Now we have tons of these tutorials, archeological evidence that could be used to reconstruct what we have lost.
Maybe nothing lasts forever, but the durability of what we build is often a more important question that we give it credit for in the moment. It's one of the often forgotten pillars of the open source philosophy, that open source code is more durable "for the community" than non-open source code.
Because someone from the community can pick it up and run with it, regardless of communication levels at the critical moments of teams disbanding and projects ending. Maybe not everything can be saved in all cases and all times, but the bits and pieces we can save are "worth it", if not for the developers themselves then as least as a Pareto Calculation of overall utility across all users aka "the community".
HIVE-Engine
I have been working with Hive-Engine seriously, "developing", for about a year now, along with my brilliant friend and wizard @thecrazygm. I have dug deep, and I have heard all the arguments. When people talk about "hive-engine", they are referencing one or more of the 6 or 7 distinct pieces of what makes up "HIVE-Engine", a consortium of concepts that when taken in it's entirety makes up a crucial part in what it has meant to "play around on HIVE".
Some of those pieces are not at all decentralized. Some are theoretically decentralized with centralized dependencies. Some are truly and utterly decentralized, as the word means. One day hopefully soon I will make the effort to break down these 6 or 7 pieces of what we usually call the hive-engine protocol.
In my mind and in my own legend lore - BeeSwap (run by @gerber and @scriptioner) touched something at the heart of the decentralized guts of hive-engine.
Swaps and Pools
It took me less than 1 day to really come face to face with the fact that I cannot live without some of Beeswaps functionality. Tribaldex is okayyyyyy.... but okay doesn't cut it. Tons of extra clicks into my workflow, losing visibility - which already wasn't great.
I need better tools. I need them, so we build them. Sometimes other people like them as well.
I'm not great at copying, I just want to see my positions in the liquidity pools. It's public information isn't it? Maybe I want to see your positions too.
https://tools.crypto-dreamr.com/beeswap/pools/positions?username=ecoinstant
A moment of silence for Beeswap. You will be missed.
Our beeswap tool isn't really completely ready, although you can click around and see things now. I have no interest in being beeswap. But there is now a pretty big hole of missing functionality in the ecosystem - and I cannot abide that; my own workflows cannot abide by that.
Anybody could probably vibe code up a replacement. A replacement ui, a replacement market, a replacement token protocol, a replacement layer 2. You might vibe code up a replacement nft game or even a replacement blockchain.
I'm not sure the value is in what we "can do".
It's in what we come together to do. And in that vein, I want to end by celebrating the great work of Mantequila with their "HIVE Brain" project, and mention that I have submitted and got accepted by @meno an updated Hive-Engine Skill for agents.
Expect more updates from me in this area. I am not against other layer 2s at all either, and as soon as we start using them we will probably start building tools for them as well.
Did Gerber just leave Hive or what happened?
Honesly. Fair play.
Good for him :D
One of the people I have learned the most. And he will always be smarter than me.
I don't care if he is leaving... (well... I will miss him and would welcome him back again)
I loved a lot of stuff he has done...
Hive records these things!
@gerber will be him.
The flowers are appreciated.
!PIMP
Yeah, I love this service too!
Good to see you at the funeral tho old friend 🤗
!PIMP
WTF?
All expressions of grief are welcome.
!PIMP
100 BXT cries in @pakx
Its time to dump it my friend.
!PIMP
Pakx portfolio won't get far with 0.6$
I kept hopium that it might come back. Just checked your screenshot in dcity discord and saw the final nail in the coffin. The guy always seemed a genius and he probably is. I wonder how his project failed. Why he didn't made a better model that kept the house running.
Anyways, here is a glimpse of awesomeness in LPs arena!
I felt kinda lost using Tribaldex after a long, long time... Yes, Beeswap will be missed. It's unfortunate to see it go...
Try HiveTools!
!PIMP
🐝 🪦
Don't sleep on HiveTools! We have dark mode now:
!PIMP
Ditto, same here, exactly.
I'm writing a post about BeeSwap right now. BeeSwap was from my perspective essential Hive infrastructure, and its loss to the Hive Ecosystem is huge. I'm still trying to find a new way to do my daily and weekly asset management without it, because the other frontends, as much as I appreciate them, just don't cut it, because they're so inefficient in terms of workflow.
For a while now, I've wanted to recreate a better BeeSwap, to keep BeeSwap's core essential functionality, fix its few annoying bugs, and to integrate missing and useful functionality from Tribaldex and Hive Engine. Now, with BeeSwap gone, this is jumping up and demanding my attention, because my asset management requires better tools. I'm very glad that you've started to work on some version of a replacement, which I'll check out now, and I'd very much love to offer suggestions, because I use tools like this many times per day, and in much more intensive ways once per week, and I need them to allow me to do what I need to do quickly and efficiently, as well as to provide the necessary information that I require to do what I do. I'm determined to resurrect BeeSwap, and to make it better than it was before, somehow. Thank you for talking about it. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
New update just dropped, I am especially pending your feedback! We need these tools! Its not perfect yet, but a lot better than yesterday (darkmode 😅)
!PIMP
That's excellent to hear, and I'll take a look when I get a free moment! I appreciate that! Yes, I absolutely and resoundingly agree, this in necessary infrastructure! I wrote another post about BeeSwap today, in which I went over some of the most exceptional features that BeeSwap had that I'd very much love to incorporate into any new iteration. I have lots to say on this, as it's really important to me. Thank you and Michael for getting it started! 😁🙏💚✨🤙
I just noticed that the page at
https://tools.crypto-dreamr.com/beeswap/poolsgot renamed intohttps://tools.crypto-dreamr.com/dieselpool/pools, where the former now leads to a 404 Page Not Found page. 🤯🤓!BEER
Oh, interesting. I haven't looked today, but I shall shortly. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
!BEER
That made me erase my web hosting history pointing to the former link, and updated my bookmarks to point to the latter link !INDEED. 🤯😅
!WEIRD
!HOPE
!WINEX
That only seems logical with an address change. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
!HOPE
!INDEED
!WINE
!WEIRD
It's because web browsers won't automatically know that a page has been removed, moved, or renamed, unless perhaps an AI is in place on the web browser !INDEED. 🤯🤓
!WEIRD !HOPE !PIZZA !PIXY
Big changes! Only minorly breaking 😅
Thanks for caring enough to stay up to date!
!PIMP
I use your Hive dapp at https://tools.crypto-dreamr.com/beeswap/pools to manage my #HiveEngine token liquidity pools several times a week !INDEED, so it doesn't take me long to notice (major) changes on your website. 🤓
!WEIRD !HOPE !PIXY !ALIVE
savvyplayer is such a good account name 😅
!PIMP
I love playing games, so I found the name fitting as my Hive account username !INDEED. 😅
!WEIRD !PIZZA !HOPE !PIXY
True, unless the site has page-specific redirects in place. 😁🙏💚✨🤙
!ALIVE
!BBH
!HOPE
!INDEED
!WEIRD
With redirects though, the page is technically not gone, but contains only an instruction for a web browser to load another page on the same website. 🤯🤓
!ALIVE
!PIXY
!STRIDE
Wow! Bad news and good news, I see a net positive.
I love the things you do in our global Hive community and especially so in many tribal communities.
I too miss Beeswap and was a bit sadden to have to delete the site from my top daily activity links. No big deal, your providing solutions that interest me very much.
Are you part Wizard? Your timing is precisely impeccable.
The last few days I have been playing with my new online friend, Claude.AI and created the following interface for my Manual Traffic Exchange site. The goal is to integrate some Hive connectivity, help promote some 2-fa-k !PIMP shit and help grow a few tribal communities.
https://epaytraffic.com/rewards/
I had an initial glance at the links you provided, so once I check it out some more, expect some feedback.
Thanks again for the things you do my friend. I still like you more than Claude.
!ALIVE
!PIZZA
That site looks really good! We keep learning - added dark mode now !PIMP
$PIZZA slices delivered:
fjworld tipped ecoinstant
savvyplayer tipped tydynrain
@savvyplayer(1/10) tipped @ecoinstant
Learn more at https://hive.pizza.
A real shame, it's like life itself, some projects die, but others are born with better prospects, let's wait for the future.
!ALIVE
!BBH
!WINE
!PIMP
I was going to have a look at this over the weekend, but it has been tuf so, well done guys.
Would be nice if things were open source... as they could have been re'used. But hey, props for this. I will probably be using it and hopefully I can contribute to it now too.
One thing that I really enjoyed was the ability to add my personal Hive and Hive-engine nodes to it. So once I grab some time (if you guys don't to it before me), I will add a PR for that (but by all means don't wait for me if that's something you want too, or have it on the pool of changes).
I'll remedy that, I'll un-private the repo after a cleanup pass.
Thanks for that, I knew you guys were aiming for that... I was referring to beeswap code, though.
I would really love to see some of the decisions they made! !PIMP
Soon but not too soon!
!PIMP
Did you have this option by the time I made these comments? I didn't notice if you had. Nice one if you managed to get it through since.
i also loved beeswaap website and used it regularly as it had more information and easy to use
Thanks for the new tools you have developed.
I just checked the link you provided, lots of details.
It would be great if it shows the number of days left in the contract as it helps to decide whether to withdraw or wait.
Did you find the V3 proposal’s governance changes more impactful than the initial launch features?
Very sad but I love your new tool. Very cool. !BBH !UNI
I shall definitely miss BeeSwap!
Going back to using Tribaldex felt rather like switching from a late model car back to a 1930s wreck that barely holds together. Maybe that's not a fair comparison, but that was the first metaphor that came to mind.
Man i will miss beeswap - back to subpar products again.