Zapple Pay Outplays Apple In Damus Bitcoin Tipping Drama

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Sometimes decentralized forces emerge victorious against big tech. Two independent developers, Ben Carman and Paul Miller came to the rescue of Damus and were able to build a workaround for bitcoin tipping on Damus despite Apple's efforts to ban the app. I haven't heard about Damus before. This story caught my attention and I had to find out more. I find efforts to utilize decentralized solutions like Bitcoin and Hive in building various apps and projects very interesting. So, installed the Damus app.

Damus is a an iOS app for Nostr. I have heard about Nostr before, but haven't paid much attention. Because we already have fully functional decentralized network that powers all things web here at Hive. That's why I usually do not like dedicating time for other efforts who try to build social platforms under the banner of web3. Usually they turn out to be another web2 solution under the disguise of web3. Moreover, I would think those who are truly interested in web3 solutions would do a little bit of research and at least take a look at what Hive has to offer. But of course, there is absolutely nothing wrong exploring new ideas and building new platforms and networks with the goal of decentralizing web.

Damus being an app that is build for Nostr, which according to its website and github seems to be an open protocol that is building decentralized and censorship-resistant social media. Great! That is what Hive does, and more. At the first glance, neither Nostr, nor Damus seem to be easy to understand what they do. In simplest terms, it looks like they are building decentralized Twitter alternative. It will probably take me a bit more time to get to know this platform. Now I am curious, and sure will dedicate sometime. Hive is also not so easy to understand at first. But what I found really interesting is Zapply Pay, and that is what this post is mainly about.

About a month ago, Apple threatens Damus with banning it from the App Store if the creator of Damus, William Casarin doesn't disable "zap" feature. Zap is a feature of the App and Nostr that allows users of the network to tip each other for their content in bitcoin using lightning network. As monopolies like Apple usually dictate the terms and small independent developers can't do anything against their demands, eventually Casarin agrees to disable zaps on content posted in the app. It still leaves an option for users to tip at the profile level.

Two creative developers, Ben Carman and Paul Miller, react to this situation and in no time develop Zapple Pay as response to Apple's actions. These developers are not part of Damus team and have no affiliation with its creator or the app. They are just bitcoin developers who believe in decentralized systems and came up with a clever workaround for tipping in Damus. Even naming of the solution is so smart - Zapple Pay, lol.

Zapple Pay allows user to zap/tip bitcoin with only using an emoji. This works for any Nostr client. By default they use 🤙, but users can use other emojis as well. Not only this was a clever response to Apple's actions and threats to ban the app, Zapple Pay developers say that if Apple still would retaliate against Damus, they would implement the same Zapple Pay feature for big tech apps like Twitter. Would Apple ban Twitter too? Hopefully this story ends here, and will go into history as one of the victories for decentralized systems.

I like Apple as an innovator and a company. But Apple has done such actions before many time and this just displays their monopolistic tendencies. There was time when they did the same thing to gaming companies and other apps. They even threatened to ban Kindle app from their App store, and Amazon didn't pay 30% for each sale of ebooks using the app on Apple devices. This is crazy. Not only this doesn't look good for the company, it also increases the prices for the consumers. Another example is when Apple made Coinbase disable the NFTs in the iOS apps or something like that. Because they wanted to be paid as well.

The case of Damus is crazier because zaps or tips are just that tips, users showing appreciating to each other, there is no sale of digital media to tax. It is not clear if these actions by Apple are in general their stance against bitcoin and crypto, or just an attempt to make more money.

What would be really interesting to see and I believe it would be immensely beneficial for Apple is to be involved in bitcoin and crypto themselves. They already have a sophisticated technology in their devices and software to utilize the crypto solutions. It doesn't look like Apple with take that path anytime soon. At least they could stay aside and don't be an obstacle for the innovation.

As I was exploring Damus, I wasn't really impressed. I am not sure if that's how apps is suppose to work, but all the images and video shared are completely blurred out until one clicks on them. Another red flag was when I went to Damus' website, it showed a web app option. When clicking to the web app it goes to a blank page with the following error message displayed:

Damus Web is down because there is someone trying to exploit browser loopholes to steal private keys. I would not recommend using a web client at this time. Damus iOS is not affected.

That is not a good sign. Potential for private keys being stole was a disappointment. Even though the message says iOS app is not affected, I am not sure I can trust it now. That is a good reminder to be careful with private keys and not trust any web or native apps. There are always some loopholes and exploits. The developers just may not know about them yet. I will monitor the progress with both Damus and Nostr and wish them good luck in their endeavors. But at this time it seems too risky to be involved.

Have you used Nostr or Damus? What are your experiences? Let me know in the comments.

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Seems like an interesting app (web 3.0 is growing fast ), 😃 but to install this first i have to buy an apple product 😅.

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We'll build one for android using Hive...

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Aha that will be great 😊👍

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Can you fund it...

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🤗,it is same as dbuzz i guess don't you think and we already have leo thread too.

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Something new, probs new features...

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There probably are other Android solutions for Nostr too.

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I have not used either one but I have heard the stories about Zapple. I think Apple just wants a cut of the money if people pay through crypto, then Apple doesn't get their money. It reminds me about how Apple was even taking their cut out of charity related stuff.

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Its the first time i heard of the app. But i dont have an iphone, perhaps there is a similar product on playstore !

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Hmm
I think it is high time I got an apple phone. That seems good even though I have not heard of it before

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Nope, all i need on social media i need is on discord, hive :)

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It's concerning to hear about the issues and actions taken by Apple that impact the use of certain apps and services. These situations not only create inconvenience for users but also potentially increase prices and limit access to certain features.

It's understandable that companies like Apple may want to monetize transactions happening within their ecosystem, but it's important to strike a balance that benefits both the company and the users.

Regarding Damus, the blurred images and the issue with the web app are indeed red flags that raise concerns about security and trustworthiness. The message about potential private key theft is certainly alarming and emphasizes the need for caution when dealing with private keys and relying on web or native apps.

I haven't personally used Nostr or Damus, but I appreciate your insights and concerns about their functionality and security. It's crucial for users to share their experiences and contribute to the ongoing dialogue around app development, security, and innovation.

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Am I the only one feeling left out of Apple app most of the time

Time to dump android

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That's are really awesome way to work around the ban from Apple. Hopefully it doesn't extend beyond that. I've heard of Nostr before, did some research on it but definitely don't understand much about it other than it's a decentralized open protocol build around/on Bitcoin. It seems they've just started and are figuring things out so to speak, Hive is definitely more advanced and ahead of them.

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I would think those who are truly interested in web3 solutions would do a little bit of research and at least take a look at what Hive has to offer

This right here. Has always left me puzzled when, even those that blog about web3 stuff appear blank about hive and what it has done in the web3 space.

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Interesting story, I need to explore Nostr to see what this platform has to offer.

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Hahah good for them! Sounds like a couple dudes sticking it to the man which is awesome. Great story thanks for sharing!

Nostr has gotten a decent bit of attention, seems a bit foolish when those devs could come here and do a whole lot more. I hope we can learn some things from them at least and apply something here. I know they will likely take things from us for their use.

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I use the Plebstr app for Nostr … https://Plebstr.com …. on my iPhone and still get Satoshi Tips. It is available for iOS or Android. Nostr is a lot of fun, I earned about 40,000 Satoshi so far … with short posts. See you over there too. It’s a great place to tell people about Hive. I have been able to get a few people to join Hive from Nostr.

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Awesome. Thank you for the suggestion.

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You are very welcome…. after getting a few tiny Satoshi zaps for 1000 Satoshi on Nostr
… people are pretty happy to earn $1 on Hive…. This is a new Hive blogger from Nostr … @rubenstorm … say hello… give some encouragement maybe. Even a hello !

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Nostr has several Front ends called Clients. Damus is just one of them. I started with Damus but then also found Plebstr that I prefer. You also need a wallet app that you connect to your Plebstr to receive Bitcoin tips. For wallets I have tried Wallet of Satoshi and GetAlby and I like them both … it is pretty easy to set up and start receiving Bitcoin on Plebstr / Nostr posts. Hive is still better and I am Sure people on Nostr would love to learn about Hive.

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Hahahha. Geniuses.

BURN APPLE BURN!!! xD

But still, I am not going to use Damus. Happy with whatever we have built here.

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Hi, the first time i heared from Zapply Pay. Thanks for that, i will try it :) Greetings from Germany

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