SELF VOTING - Good Or Evil? [Let's Talk About It!]

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What Does Your Moral Compass Say?


Good Or Bad?

People have talked about self-votes ever since I created my Steem(it) account in July 2016. At first, during a rather long period of time, users we're literally encouraged to vote on their own content. With time, it became a huge talking point. One could often notice people include words like greed and selfishness whenever the discussion came up and even the engagement leagues from Asher (@abh12345) gave you minus score for each self-vote. It has always been a huge talking point, but not everyone was willing to step up and talk about it for various reasons.

I mean, it's rather scary to "pick a fight" with wealthier accounts, because you never really know if you will be struck by downvotes. Some accounts have been flagged into oblivion during my time here, and not everyone is willing to take that risk, so a bunch of people keep their thoughts for themselves.

Personally, I used to self-vote on all articles I published. I never (at least not what I can remember) voted on any of the comments I made. The funny thing here is that most people seems to be totally fine with self-votes, as long as the little guys are doing it. It's entirely different when wealthier accounts does it. Especially the whales..

I can totally understand that 10x self-votes as a whale doesn't do much for anyone else besides themselves, so we don't want that to happen.. Which is why we've seen famous "flagwars" over the years. But honestly though, do we want users with less stake to vote on their own content instead of others?

It might not be worth more than $0.01 for each vote which isn't much to argue about, (which is why I think most people doesn't), but allowing self-votes is basically the same as encouraging it. Especially if you fight with wealthier users one day to prevent self-votes and the next day you allow a lesser account to self-vote..

  • It's a double-edged sword.

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While I was voting on my own content, I did that for a reason and I'll try to explain that as simple as I can. Everyone wants to be rewarded for their efforts, in one way or another. In terms of money, comments, a larger audience etc.

I was looking to grow my audience, engage with my readers and I wanted to grow my account. While I admit some of the mistakes I did by focusing on my own profile and my own articles instead of others, I definitely believed that my content was worthy of a few cents I could give myself with an upvote. Instead of missing out entirely, I at least earned a few cents each time I published something.

That was the sole reason for my self-votes. I wasn't willing to risk the time I spent writing, editing and creating covers for my articles. I had to earn at least something for my efforts.

That being said, I have never tried to "drain the reward pool" by creating low-quality articles or what one would call spam, and even though the quality lies in the eyes of the beholder, I was certain of the fact that my content was worthy of rewards. I have never created 10 articles per day either, so I justified my self-votes with the quality of my contributions as well as the quantity of them.

On top of that, we've always had the "inner circles", which basically is a group of people upvoting each other. A.k.a circle jerking. Many of them continued to self-vote multiple times per day even though they generated plenty of rewards from the other users in the circles. Add the general auto-votes on that, which made things even easier to vote on specific authors, at a specific time so you could earn as much as possible. Things were easy for lucky authors who gained access to the inner circles or had the chance to be put on auto. This is still a very common thing, and something I benefit from myself as well.

Now, I don't think that auto-votes are entirely bad. I definitely think they have a purpose, but I would much rather prefer manual curation, as that would also increase the overall engagement. LEOFinance recently made some changes to the rewards, so manual curators will have the same chance to earn as auto-votes. That's a huge step in the right direction and I am sure it will boost engagement overall, which will also lead to encouragement and motivation for everyone. People will be much more likely to stay as long as there is engagement. Well, that's how I see things.

Anyhow, now when we've come to the point where I mentioned LEOFinance. The communities. Let's go back to the point of this article but include communities as well.

I talked about communities in my recent post, "Hive Communities - Multiple Income Streams!", but I didn't talk about self-votes. In fact, I haven't talked about self-voting in a long time..

However, with communities, Hive users are able to have multiple income streams. One income stream for each community they are active in. One could say that we have managed to change the tide with communities, as communities also results in a different group of users. A different user base.

With that comes different users spearheading. The wealthy accounts we are used to see doesn't necessarily invest, contribute or passively earn anything on the communities, which gives us new whales and a different crowd of people. Even though we might still see new "inner circles", I personally love the idea of having communities. It gives Hive users more freedom and they can easily choose where they want to be.

How about self-voting though...?
It is still an on-going thing and I doubt it will ever stop, but on the other hand, everyone wants to earn. You want to earn as a content creator and you want to earn as a curator as well. It doesn't matter if you engage or not, are active or not. You obviously want to profit and make something out of your investment.

Is it the end of the world if a whale self-votes a few times per day?
10 times wouldn't do much for anyone besides themselves like I said previously, but how about 5?
As long as they "spread the wealth" with the other 5 votes it should be okay, right?

I don't know about you, but I love the fact that we reward each other. It is more rewarding for me to give back in whatever way I can, instead of keeping it to myself. I want to help others. I want to motivate, encourage and inspire people. Both online and offline.

I do that in real life on a daily basis when I'm at work. I work with people who suffers from mental illness. I even risk my own well-being and my own body, perhaps even my own life sometimes when I force someone to drop a knife they are cutting themselves with, or when they tie a rope to hang themselves. I went from being a full time freelancer, or a better word for it is probably a brand building business owner, to a full time student so I could work with what I do today.

I brawl, I'm taking a few punches sometimes and a couple of kicks, but I still do my job because I love it. Not the pain or the bruises, but I love to help others. I give and I get something back. That is truly rewarding for me.

Is that good or evil?
I never considered myself to be selfish back when I was self-voting, and I definitely didn't upvote my own content because of greed. I did that because I felt that my content was truly worthy at least those few cents I could give myself. I gave something and I got something in return..

To tell you the truth though, in my opinion, that is also where this entire problem starts. We are different, so there will always be different opinions. That is often a good thing, but sometimes it's not.

It shouldn't be up to me to decide whether my content is worth something or not, especially not how much it's worth. People on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and all those other social media platforms post content without making a single cent. The rewards on those places are in the form of engagement. They get likes, shares and comments. They give something and they get something in return. That is why engagement is crucial on Hive as well.

On Hive though, people often seems to forget that money is not the only reward you can get. Oh well, sorry for the sidetrack, I was sure I was ready for an article about self-voting and nothing besides that.. But I guess I was wrong.

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I have self-voted at times in the past. In my early days on St++m I was lucky to make anything, not that my puny vote would make much difference. As time went on and I had a bigger vote it just felt wrong to vote for myself. It should be up to others to judge the value of my posts and it would reduce what I could give to others. I still see some bigger accounts do it, but in most cases they would make a decent amount anyway and they can get good curation rewards voting for others. In many cases I will give less of a vote on a post that has a self-vote.

It's a personal choice, but we must be prepared to be judged based on our actions.

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in most cases they would make a decent amount anyway and they can get good curation rewards voting for others.

Exactly, but some would probably say that they would leave a piece of the pie on the table by not self-voting too.. Personally, I tend to think much in the same lines as you.

In many cases I will give less of a vote on a post that has a self-vote.

I would probably do the same if my vote was worth more. I would likely reduce the vote on many of the "highly rewarded" authors as well, just to spread votes on a broader area. Especially on LEO after the recent reward change.

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A lot of people, including me, get votes regardless as they are automated and some may have set up automatic votes for themselves too. I think Hive would benefit from more manual curation. Mine is mostly manual apart from what goes to following the @tenkminnows trail. I am wary of following other trails as I saw my votes go to things I would not support in the past.

A better distribution of votes would do Hive some good.

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I think Hive would benefit from more manual curation.

Indeed! That's why I love the recent changes on LEO, because I am positive that it will boost the overall engagement along with manual curation, and that would obviously be a good thing for Hive as well.

Do you curate content on leo with tenkminnows as well?

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That account has a little LEO and my own account has a fair bit. I do not specifically target posts with the token tags. I don't want to make it too complex for myself.

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Thank you for your engagement on this post, you have recieved ENGAGE tokens.

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I have no problem when newer accounts self vote. One needs to build a stake in a project and self voting is a way to get there. At some point though, one needs to turn away from that and help others.

Part of my approach in the early days of LEO was to build my stake. Thus, I upvoted my comment for a number of months which helped to grow my account. Now, I do not upvote anything I do, posts or comments, on Leofinance. 100% of my votes go to others.

Of course, there is the issue of crap posting versus someone taking the time to write a detailed post. For example, if you upvoted this article, I would have no problem. It is obvious the time and effort went into it. You didnt just throw up a video and put together a few lines. To me, that is the epitome of trying to bilk the reward pool.

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100% of my votes go to others.

That is something I personally appreciate very much. That you spread your votes across the entire community regardless of the stake someone has, you reward whoever, as long as you think it deserves rewards. I know a bunch of like-minded users with the same approach, and those actions are definitely something I personally would considered to be worthy of rewards.

Give and you shall receive.

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That is what it is all about. Token distribution, when coming from a reward pool like this, has to be spread far and wide if we want to have a thriving ecosystem. As I continually pound, decentralization is a journey, not a destination. While things can start that way, we need to keep moving forward towards the later. This means that all should look to spread the tokens around, especially those with decent stake.

If not, we even up with a system that is not resistant since it can be easily toppled.

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This means that all should look to spread the tokens around, especially those with decent stake.

Very true words. It's a shame that everyone doesn't seem to understand this. Even if they do, many users actions over the years have been telling us otherwise.

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People still believe in centralization even while touting decentralization. The truth is any economy is made more resilient when it is distribution and spread wide. All token economies need to look at this.

Leofinance is small so we need to push this idea and get LEO in as many wallets as we can. Hundreds of whales is a more valuable system than one with only couple dozen and everyone else having little.

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I always figured it was my right when done in moderation.

If someone has a problem with me upvoting my own post once or less a day, they are free to unfollow me. It is like dropping a quarter in my own guitar case while busking for change. I have put in the time and if my stake can earn me an extra couple cents a day while I curate and engage, I feel that is fair.

I also feel people upvoting their own comments is a little excessive. Back in the day where engagement was off the charts, you often had to upvote your own reply to a post otherwise it would sit down among 30 “nice post follow me I follow you” spam ignored. Now, I see people upvoting original content with $0.00 5% votes and giving their comments 100% boosts. That is not cool with me.

The good news is we get to make our own rules here, engage with and support who we personally choose.

It has been years for you and I choosing our paths on the blockchain. We do what we want but know there are benefits and drawbacks to each decision.

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"Now, I see people upvoting original content with $0.00 5% votes and giving their comments 100% boosts. That is not cool with me."

I have seen this for a long period of time and to be honest, I find that disgusting. Personally, I would prefer if those users ignored my content entirely. I don't want my content to be a place for others to engage only to upvote themselves. I'm totally fine with not being rewarded though. They can do as they please, upvote or not, but don't look at my content as a place to vote your own comments while ignoring everything else.

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To me it is pretty simple, it is your vote use it how you see fit. Self voting is allowed if you want to self vote all day long that is your choice.

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Well, I agree that it's your own decision and that you use your votes how you want.. But I don't see how 100% self-votes would ever be beneficial for anyone. Not even yourself actually.

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They are not, but until the community as a whole decides self voting should be removed from the equation, people are allowed to to vote themselves. There are a lot of people that do go around and down vote the self only voters, or that primarily only vote on themselves and their alt accounts. One of the hazards of self voting.

I myself have never understood the self vote, but it is an option.

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I have done self-voted mainly when already some days and my post show no rewards ;) But Last week I was asking myself, Why I could not self-vote a post if it is specially nice to me??

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That's the beauty of it. You are free to do what you want with your stake. I can totally understand the logic of voting on your own content if you don't earn anything, but that's basically what "abusers" have done as well during the time of Steem/Hive's existence. The difference is that they voted late on their own content just to avoid possible downvotes.

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At least the ambiance is different now!

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