Guide to Recurrent Posting Operations

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There is a common misconception that the switch to linear curation in HF25 removed the possibility to optimize your curation rewards. The game has changed immensly but there are backdoors that allow you to boost your ROI.

Kickback Schemes

A kickback scheme is an agreement (written or not) between the poster and the curator upvoter where the poster shares a portion of author rewards with the upvoter in order to attract the upvote. This is clearly advantageous for both parties. The poster keeps a share of an author reward that would not have materialised without the agreement. The upvoter earns extra compared to upvoting a no-kickback content.

The time of large vote-selling projects is long over as these attracted downvotes for being obvious shameless milking operations.

The time of "games" that introduced a trivial gambling layer to randomise kickbacks on individual post level (while keeping the long-term returns same for the patrons) has ended recently.

The progress continues.

Let's discuss a few key factors to decide the fate of a modern kickback-based reccurent-post money-making scheme.

Recurrent posting helps the environment. Maybe. Original artwork.

Game rules

Forcing your patrons to upvote the post to be eligible for rewards is just waving a red flag in the downvoter's face. Encourage trivial comments instead. It attracts new customers well, while you can still rewards your money earners best. Build the relations. They do not need a contract to upvote you - it is not like their kickback can be taken for granted elsewhere.

Language Selection

English (and Spanish to an extent) offers the best exposure but that is not a winner. It makes your marketing easier but it also attracts downvotes faster. If they cannot read it, they are unlikely to downvote. Once you have a following, you might as well write in a fake language (no "lorem ipsum", though). If you need to build your audience, put an extra effort in. I do not expect you to run your operation in Korean so refering to @arcange's Hive Language Analysis, #polish and #deutsch seem to be prime candidates. Please DYOR before starting to assess which market is ripe.

Content Dilemma

You might be inclined to actually post stuff. There is a catch. Plagiarism is a trending word these days. Whatever you write about, there is a non-zero risk of matching someone else's article by mistake and that is nothing you want to deal with. If you insist on randomising the words, you can include results or your state's lottery or top football division as these look reasonable. In practice, announcing your last round's winner(s) should do the trick and the rest should be copy-paste. Maybe have three or four versions rotating as the human eye can catch the fact all your posts start the same even if the language is not familiar.

Thumbnail Picture

It feels natural to brand your product with a thumbnail picture you use for every post but that looks spammy even though some big accounts get away with that. Well, they tend to have content so you better go safe and use a random landscape shot. Reuse it a few times to get that brand recognition and move on to the next one. Using unique pictures is too much effort.

Circle Voting

Making it to the Trending page is an adrenaline rush but that is the last thing you want to do. Your hundred does not have to come from one post. It can't - you would get smashed in the next hour. Your hundred a day needs to come from 50 posts. You do not want to make 50 posts a day on one account either so spreading your operation is necessary. Eleven accounts upvoting each other once a day is an amateurism. Diversify more, you are not going to ask your patrons to keep upvoting identical sets of accounts - they should be able to select an unique set of five or six accounts to follow so that the voting patterns do not stand out. I know managing 20 accounts sounds intimidating but in fact, you do not even need a finetuned schedule for the posts - you can get away with your accounts posting one right after another.

Tribe Tags

Tribe tokens are a great mechanism for fuelling your operation. Adding a couple tags results in raising a few tokens that do not have to be talked about. Only a fraction of your customer base will realise you are pocketing these. Even those who do realise will have hard time asking you to share as they cannot afford to look greedy. Make sure you start with testing every new tribe on one account to see whether the tribe owner and big investors are cool with your business as some may decide to downvote you. OTOH, the risk is not as big as it looks as most will just mute you in their tribe without harming your operation in other markets. I am pretty sure you can name a tribe or two that is well-known for their anti-downvote stance. If you can, a rather safe start is being offered to you.

Crisis Management

The downvotes will come sooner or later. Have a plan. It could be verbal threats. It could be downvote retaliation. It could be condescending silence. Any combination will do, just do not act compulsively. Have a plan.

Disclaimer Section

This article is a research writing. I am not sourcing the subjects, though. If it violates your plagiarism policy, feel free to DV. If you DV on the basis of content disagreement, that is fine with me as well. If you do not agree with rewards, I hear you. Neither do I. Just do not act compulsively. Have a plan.

Every time you are about to downvote, you should do a routine check of receiver's downvote mana. Just saying. I cannot get any voting graphs from Hivetasks so Ctrl+F and typing "down" in HB-Explorer is the best I can do right now. Any suggestions of an alternative resource are welcome.

Danke schoen und viel Spass!



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Great advice, I guess I've been doing things all wrong here. Nice artwork too.

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Thx! Learning new stuff is a recurrent operation.

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To support your work, I also upvoted your post!

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I saw that you are downvoting with your second account @jelly.cz some of the posts written in german.
Just wanna ask, why you are doing this without trying a comment to the content-creators there first?
I dont see milking-operations or bullshit like that there, i just like the content and i am curating without bots etc. for a long time now.
I dont like your content here also and downvotes are part of the game here of course, but i dont need my downvoting power to tell you this, its better to talk to the content-creators.
Best regards.

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Thank you for your input.

For the sake of clarity, my second account is @jelly-cz and it downvotes stuff I consider downvotable without wanting to spread my main account's mana too thin.

As for your main question, I am not the kind of person to leave unsolicited advice. Anyone is welcome to ask me about my reasons and I am always ready to discuss it with the authors even though the first contact usually contains a threat on their part. Recently, @kirstin was the only one to contact me (and decided to delete their contribution shortly after).

To clarify, I think you read my article well and understood it on multiple levels. One of them was a hidden feedback request so your comment is totally solicited.

Whether something is milking or not is tough to decide. I understand you really care for the community. It is not my first time noticing you. It is difficult to deal with a stranger saying your kid is ugly. Sorry about that. Maybe if the kid joins our sporting club, it can get in shape. There is no way to skip the awkward intro, though.

Do you remember the times @satren.random was posting? Two sentences (sometimes three) with a screenshot from dCity in between. Everyone knew you would be upvoting it so they everyone and their mother ran to upvote it before you (long before HF25). You always did and the stub was on double digit rewards. Did you earn anything? Not at all. It was a community service to be the last one upvoting. Did I upvote to earn the bonus as well? No, I have a spine. Did I downvote to call out low effort? Hell no, I respect your right to be entertained the way you choose even if I might despise it.

It was low effort, but there was a content. I can see different stuff around this time and I am posting a full report shortly (it is a time consuming work). Once again, I appreciate your response. Of all accounts involved, I really did not expect you to be the one to put the time in.

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We have different point of views here.
You think somebody should ask you, why you were downvoting his content?
I think, maybe it would be better, to tell someone first, why you think his content is something, which needs a downvote in your opinion?
That would be much more polite, and brings discussion first, not downvotes first.
But everybody is free here to act, downvotes are part of the system.
And bye the way, the content creators you are downvoting are not "my kids", they are independend content creators just like you are.
Some like their content, some do not.
Best regards.

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That's all fine. I understand both approaches. I can only use one.

The poster is the one who entered the public space first. If they cannot handle feedback, they do not have to post on a blockchain. There are other options available.

You probably miss how many people do not care for the discussion. It might be a vote size issue. It is more rude to skip your comment than mine.

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Of course you must handle feedbacks if you are posting on a blockchain, also the negative ones, and nobody was complaining about your downvotes, so they can handle this of course on their own.
I just saw the downvotes and found no reason for that, so its only a general discussion.
Downvotes are negative feedback, but discussion first is usually the better way of giving a feedback for content you dont like, in my point of view.
Best regards.

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Hallo @balte. Als ich den Downvote bemerkte, habe ich meine Tastatur als Waffe benutzt und im Affekt gehandelt. :o) Im Nachhinein war es mir dann doch zu schroff, also habe ich die - nicht ganz damenhafte Aufforderung -, die Handlung zurückzunehmen, wieder gelöscht, jedoch nicht den vom Downvote betroffenen Beitrag.

Unser Freund scheint überall Voting Kreise zu sehen, und vergeht sich an diesen, auf seine Art. Man kann dies gut erkennen, wenn man sich die einzelnen Downvotes ansieht. Auch hat er anscheinend schon andere Downvoter eingespannt. Sehe dir bitte mal den vorletzten Beitrag von @schlees an, dann wirst Du bei den Kommentardownvotes einen Namen finden, den ER hier, auf seiner Upvote Liste hat. Mir scheint es, als wenn sich hier etwas zusammenbraut! !BEER !LUV

Ach ja - !invest_vote - gefällt ihm auch nicht!!!

Viel Grüsse! :o)

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Danke schoen und viel Spass!

Díky za pěkný příspěvek a bavte se!

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Good morning! I have recently noticed the downvotes and followed them here. I do not know how long you have been downvoting. I have read this post with interest and would like to clarify some points in relation to my game and the points you have raised.

I had already decided several days ago that the basis of the game (essentially asking for the upvote was not a good idea). I have been trying to come up with a basis for the game not involving an upvote and I believe you have given me ideas and I will touch on that later in this comment.

Where my votes come from. I get my upvotes from having a subscription to HSBI, setting rewards.app as a beneficiary, and the individual upvoters. The bulk of the individual uovoters are “follow” upvoters who upvote because of the rewards.app designation. They would probably vote no matter the form of my posts as long as I make rewards.app a beneficiary. If you set rewards.app as a beneficiary for your posts (I do 70-80%), you would see some of my regular upvoters appear to upvote you. Except for the occasional cross posts to communities, I do not solicit votes by spamming other posts with comments or by sending spam in the memo space of wallet transfers.

I usually do two posts a day, the game and the post listing previous winners of the game and the amount of winnings they share (this is the post with the $100 bill in the thumbnail). This post is necessary for the marketing to previous winners and also as additional income to myself as none of the rewards are shared. Although, in actuality, the marketing function can be incorporated into the game post so there would only be one post per day for the game. And the thumbnails can be changed so they do not create any “flags”.

The work I do to determine all the players (winners and losers) is done manually. I have not created a bot to scan the blockchain and determine players and their corresponding txid. Do I not deserve to be compensated for this work? Work which is just as involved as doing a post on crypto financials or etc for example.

So to sum it all up, you specifically and the Hive community in general, would be okay if:

I stop asking for the upvote as a requirement for winning? Although I hope I can only make eligible upvoters a requirement (above .001 Hive or whatever)

Stop using the same thumbnail repeatedly? I am already considering going back to using my state’s lottery and would use that as the thumbnail.

Maybe these plans will keep me off the radar. And I also thank you for making me consider moving the game into other languages. I had not even thought of that and a believe it can be easily translated.

In conclusion, I would ask you to remove the downvotes from my “results” posts (the one with the $100 bill as the thumbnail). I am trying to grow my account and you are several thousand times larger than I. As always my intention with the game was to grow so I could get rewards from curation and some select investments (dCity and Splinterlands). As for the actual game posts, I realize you had a problem with my game and I won’t argue that point.

I will say I tend to agree with the commenter from the German community that perhaps posting a comment to start the dialogue instead of instantly downvoting across the board might be a better tactic. It seems to engender retaliatory reactions and reminds me of the worst of Steemit with the flame wars and all that back and forth downvoting. Thanks for your consideration.

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I enjoyed reading your post. Thank you.

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