1919 Republic of China 20 Cents , The Three Principles of the People.

This week I resumed my research on the next three heirloom silver coins found in my Father’s old collection. These coins preceded my previous post 1929 ROC 2 Jaio Sun Yat-Sen coins. In 1919 the Republic of China existed in name only, still divided as War Lords continued to fight over power and resources, the self-appointed Emperor, General Yuan Shikai only made things worse, tumultuous and tough times for my Asian ancestors.

“Black birds tend to like shiny things.” ~ The Bloody Raven

Before writing this article I found myself pondering on whether to try the alpha.leofinance interface again. On the Long form mode, It’s been tough going and wondering if more features are now working. Last week I had to have to vote on PeakD side by side with alpha.leofinance to comment. While some page formatting now worked, some pictures that were on PeakD/Ecency didn’t show on Alpha. And my biggest pain, the Following TAB still didn’t make my search for my favorite follows any easier even if they used the Leo tags. ‘Scroll, scroll.’

And as you see, I want to torture myself. My stubbornness is my strength and weakness. Yes, I love to see the same posts three times as I scroll and scroll and scroll. My two boys now say it, “The Ravenhill’s never do things the easy way.” Now onward.

The Silver Coin

1919, Year 8 Republic of China Silver 2 Jiao,20 Cents

Obverse; Chinese Calligraphy/ beading, Rosettes
Chinese Characters; 年八國民華中, 貳 幣銀 毫, 造省東廣
Translation, 8th year of the Republic of China, 2 Jiao, Minted in Kwangtung Province
0.500 Silver, Weight 5.3g
Diameter 24mm, Thickness 1.5mm

Sun Yat-Sen’s Three Principals of the People

During his years of exile and travel Dr. Sun took the opportunity to gain insight into western economics and political ideology to fashion and present these concepts to the new republic. By 1919 Dr. Sun has been already back in China for a few years making the biggest sales pitch in his life.

1919, Year 8 Republic of China Silver 2 Jiao/20 Cents

Edge; Reeded.
Of the three coins I have, 2 are 1919 and 1 is 1920.

First Principle; 民族主義 Nationalism, or Populism.
Not all the people in China are Chinese but a collection of ethnically diverse Asian peoples under a common nationality called China. Therefore, the objective is to unite everyone under the nation of China. The Han Chinese, Manchu Chinese, Mongolian, Muslims and Tibetans being the largest ethnic groups, those originally under the Qing’s Imperial China.

1919, Year 8 Republic of China Silver 2 Jiao/20 Cents

Reverse; 20, beading, rosettes
Text; KWANG-TUNG PROVINCE, 20, TWENTY CENTS
Minted in Kwangtung Province, 195,000,000
Reference #Y423

Second Principle; 民權主義 Democracy
Dr. Sun’s meaning, power into the hands of the people. The people’s ability to express their needs and wants, as well as exercise control over their democratically elected politicians in developing policy for the benefit of all. He proposes four rights; the right to vote, to propose laws, to repeal laws and to recall public leaders.

His inspiration was derived from the American government model of an Executive branch, legislative, and Judicial. Adding two additional branches; the Auditing branch to monitor and watch over the other branches to prevent corruption and an Examination branch to ensure that every civil servant will be equipped and qualified skills to assume his or her office, essentially a western model adding a Confucist’s style to the system.

Having been under Imperial rule for over three millennia Democracy was a very unfamiliar concept to the average individual. Dr. Sun knew that it will take considerable time to teach the people and gradually introduce the framework of democracy. And like most well laid plans, they don’t survive intact in the hands of his opponents like Mao Tse-tung or Successor like Chiang Kai-Shek.

1930 Central Bank of China 5 Customs Gold Units

Front; Portrait of Dr. Sun Yet-Sen, Lathwork border, Seals
行銀央中, The Central Bank of China
海上, Shanghai
付即票憑, Pay on Demand
關金伍圓, Five Customs Gold Units
印年九十國民華中, Printed in the 19th Year of the Republic of China
司公票鈔國美, American Banknote Company
170mm x 80mm

Third Principle; 民生主義 Welfare of the people.
Dr. Sun believed that every citizen should have a reasonable standard of living as following; adequate clothing, food, shelter and access to health care. Therefore, the government should enact policies to meet those goals. The most intriguing ideal regarding tax revenue to fund government operations is a unique single property tax plan called Georgist developed by Henry George. A tax based on owner’s value of land. If the owner had a modest home and typical garden plot that would be taxed a fixed rate regardless of the owner’s income. Land owners having high valued land or many properties would be taxed higher. Hear that Mr. Bill ‘Land Baron’ Gates? Should the land owner declared his property too low a value he may risk the Government purchasing the land under eminent domain. And the government keeps 100% of the profit should they sell it afterwards.

1930 Central Bank of China 5 Customs Gold Units

Back; Central Bank of China, Shanghai office.
Text;. Promises to Pay the Bearer on Demand at its Office here
Text;. Five Customs Gold Units
Text;. Shanghai, 1930
Text;. American Bank Note Company
Signatures; Lea Tsing-yao and Tian Yimin
Reference P 326

An interesting ideal formulated by Dr. Sun, it is regrettable that this governing framework never became fully implemented before his death in 1925. Nor got fully explained or vetted through legislative discussions. While the CCP or the Kuomintang can reinterpret Dr. Sun’s intentions of his principles, Dr. Sun Yat-Sen’s finger prints can be seen on the law books of both republics.
I’m not familiar with Taiwanese law but they have incorporated the Georgist approach to Land Taxation and reform.

Would it have worked in a new Chinese Republic and my ancestors have stayed? Too idealistic would you say? Please comment anything below.

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1102 – 1106 Northern Song Dynasty Bronze Coin Shipwreck coin.

References

My own pictures shot with a Samsung SM-A530W
P. Image under Pixabay
W. Wiki Commons
☠️🎃 Page Dividers by thekittygirl. ❄️🌞

Sources and Readings

Wiki; Three Principles of the people.
Numista Coins China; 1919, Year 8 Republic of China Silver 2 Jiao/20 Cents.
Numista Coins China; 1909-1911 20 Fen. 1 Mace 4.4 Candareens, Dragon coin.
Numista Banknotes China; 1930 Shanghai 5 Customs gold units.
Saltwater City, An illustrated History of the Chinese in Vancouver by Paul Yee. University of Washington Press, 1988. ISBN 0-88894-616-3
Cameo Raven Brooch from The Black Wardrobe.
Red Dragon background banner from Nyssacat’s yard.






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One of the Coolest Three Minute Videos that I have ever Watched and at the End I felt Good for the Rabbit.........
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the Auditing branch to monitor and watch over the other branches to prevent corruption and an Examination branch to ensure that every civil servant will be equipped and qualified skills to assume his or her office

I'd say both the US and Japan could benefit from this. Both governments are hopelessly corrupt and many civil servants have absolutely no skills at all, especially in Japan where so many people somehow slip in after college and then just camp out at a desk and don't do a damn thing for 40 years until retirement.

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Dr. Sun did his homework, it would be awesome to see if this model would have worked. It would be an uphill battle to install the right people in their positions, altrusitic intentions will be not enough and a system of accountability must be place human nature as it is. We know every system will eventualy have it's vulnerabilies. The world could have been a very differnt place if this worked making the Republic China the place to be rather than to flee from.
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This Guy makes some Great Points Young Lady @kerrislravenhill ...........
https://twitter.com/iluminatibot/status/1691420295800774657?s=20

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I !LUV the !DIMSUM !LADY

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That 5 YUAN Central Bank Note looks a lot like US currency. "Promises to Pay the Bearer on Demand at its Office here Five Customs Gold Units" A Gold-backed currency!

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This was originally design for international import/export customs duties pegged at 888.6 mg of gold which was on par with the USD at 1930 when it was first issued. I think it lost it's gold backing by 1942 due to the war and silver was in it's place while most people still believed there was still a gold backing. It continued to be used by public along side the national currency until 1949 when the country became The People's Republic of Chins, replaced by the Yuan.
What happened to the metal? No Won Knows.
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There are a lot of things I like about leofinance, but the interface has always felt a little clunky. I appreciate they're always building and improving new apps, but I prefer to stay away from "alpha" anything. I've become a fan of ecency more these days.

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Sa far my conclusion reached, Thread bugs have priority over Long Form bugs. therefore we must still wait.

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Lol….. I don’t think the Silvertop’s do anything the easy way either !😇🤣
Interesting that this 1919 Silver coin is 20 cents……
Is this fraction of a dollar still used today?

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It's equivalent to 1/5 of the One Yuan coin, to which was based back to the old Spanish 8 Reales. Probably a day's hard work and buy a nice time on the town.

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That’s very interesting @kerrislravenhill!🤔
Probably a hard days work…..
Employers probably paid the minimum wages they could…….. same as today Lol!😇

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It's largely an Agricultural economy and field labour tends to be a minimum wage deal. But there are plenty of openings in the Armies of the War Lords paying an averge of 4 Yuan, or 20 x 20 cent coins if you live to the end of the month to collect it. One of the reasons the Republic of China troops lost against the CCP army was that the Republic solders fought without pay contributing to the plumenting morale.

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So very interesting, it sounds like it was a very dangerous occupation!😳
20X20 IF…… you live to see payday!😬

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I love how you were able to explain the things written on the coin
It is an old coin but it looks good

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My Grandma tried to teach me Cantonese in my early years, at least I could survive in a Chinese restaurant.
I wish I was more fluent in the Chinese language, my son took Mandarin in High School so he was a bit of a help. The rest was research.
There is a reddish stain on one of 20 Cent coins, I hope that was sweet and sour sauce and not what I think it is.

Thanks for the comment @rafzat
Cheong Saam !LADY

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In theory, Georgist would work, until you take in to consideration all the people that let apartments or what have you. Then what is their tax bracket? I feel land owners would then be in an uproar having to pay for other people's necessities. Especially Gates 😂

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Alas, we will never fully know what Dr. Sun had scribbled on all those Dim sum restaurant napkins. As they say, "The Devil is in the details." The term 'Land Reform' was very broad which may include giving a unit of usable land to those who do not but could make use of it. Terms and conditions of purchase were vague, but the government should be interested in seeing it's citizens provided the essentials for productive living.
Corporations like Gates, Monsanto and Blackrock wouldn't like the this system at all.

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You are making me to fall in love by these Chinese coins!!!
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After all I am part Chinese.
I've been doing some deep reserch around the circumstance of why the Asian side of my family tree came over from China. I got a few anecdotes from a still surviving Grand Uncle living in the US. The coins and their dates set the background and my starting point.
These posts/articles will be a part of a permanent documentation for the benefit of my future decendants, they'll say, "Cool to know, but your great grand Aunt Kerris was a crazy gal but smart to leave the family a big fortune."

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I love oriental culture from japan/china/korea =)

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That's an awesome collection, so much history behind it too, how much everywhere has changed since the coinage was minted :)

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Like Dr. Sun, I do my homework. In high school I hated homework, and that's not a Chinese trait. Until I gained an appreciation of my Chinese side I enjoy having rediscovering it.
"Say, is that a soy Sauce stain on this silver coin?" A reference to my Great Grand uncle who sneaked over from China into Hong Kong on a Junk that delivered a Cargo of Soy Sauce.

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"Real bunsens fur real sailurs!" 😎 -Keptin

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As I was just saying, "Say, is that a soy Sauce stain on this silver coin?" It is a reference to my Great Grand uncle who sneaked over from China into Hong Kong on a Chinese Junk boat that delivered a Cargo full of Soy Sauce.
That's how I got Sailin' in me bluud!

A pleasure t' 'ave ye aboard Keptin.

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"A wonderful story Commander! Yoo've got it in yer bluid - Yer stoatin grain uncle must hav bin a brav cheil!" 😉 -Keptin

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Wow, you tested the Leo waters again! I keep contemplating it but every time I try it messes up the pictures. Great coins your Dad left you, they always mean more coming from parents.

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I'm sure my Dad got these coins from someone in the generation before him.
TaskMaster left me an incentive to stay using Alpha was nice but things are wearing a bit thin. As long as I keep pointing out the issues they will eventually get addressed. This Hive 'Swiss-army-knife' interface is a ways from the Everything app it was envisioned to be. I will Wait and see.

My pictures are resized to be internet friendly to be well under 700kbyte 1200x900 to maintain 4:6 aspect ratio without too much loss in quality, uploaded in Alpha without the html picture parameters.
Thanks 4 dropping in @thebighigg

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What a fantastic collection, with so much history and considering how much the world has changed since those coins were first issued.
xoxo🤗😘
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You know that I am building an heirloom collection of Chinese silver permastack, these posts will be a part of the permanent documentation for my decendants to enjoy reading long after I am gone.
They'll say, "2023? Wow, that was when Hive tokens were way under $1000 each!"

Always, with love 🤗🌺❤️
Cheong Saam !LADY

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One of the pictures did not load up for me only the top half (I a using peakD) Nice collection, I hope I land some more I only got 2 Chinese coins , well not counting the pandas

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Thanks for the clue. I've been comparing both PeakD and Alpha.Leofinance side by side observing their image buffering behavior as I added more image and gif files in the comments . I refresh the post and observe how the post resets to the new post size request assuming I have sufficient memory space to accomodate it.

I recall you having the Republic of China Fatman coin , that by the way is none other than General Yuan Shikai , the Repulic's self proclaimed loose cannon Emperor.

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Yeah I got that one and a one dollar with a dragon coin, the loose cannon Emperor sounds interesting going to look into it some more

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A beautiful coin and interesting history of the times. If it had had time to take root, China could be completely different today than it is. Thanks for sharing @kerrislravenhill, and have a lovely rest of the week!🤗💜 !LADY

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What a difference one person could make at a vital jucture in history. China could have been a thriving first world republic that what it is today. Maybe I wouldn't be here either but living in China operating a Cat Spa for the afluent clientelle.
Then again, maybe not.
Thanks for the support @elizabethbit

!LADY with a Fan.

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Nice article, sorry I missed the one last week.
Nice use of the old notes, you sure have an eye for composition.

PD

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@kerrislravenhill
This One seems to give me that Warm Fuzzy #PirateSunday Feeling..........
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