Don't Cheat Yourself! Use the Right Front-End To Upvote
It took me 2 months to pass dusting threshold and see curation rewards arrive. Slowly the curation rewards have been growing (0.002 HP here, 0.004 HP there, etc.). Part of that is due to using tribal front ends as much as possible due to the higher rewards we get for using them. One day I'll have so much HP it won't matter which front-end I use for anything. Until that day arrives, I need to keep using tribal front-ends. This affects the upvotes we make, too. Don't cheat yourself! Use the right front-end to upvote.
Upvotes and Front-Ends
Since I spend much time posting at Proof of Brain and LeoFinance, most of my comments and upvoting is done at those 2 places. Most of my earnings come from POB and LEO,so these places have been good to me as a new Hiver.
Once in a while I post at other tribes and at other communities which rely on the general front-ends (#Ecency, #PeakD, and #Hive.Blog). It's when I upvote using the general front-ends that I noticed something I hadn't expected:
- My upvote wasn't worth what I thought it was.
Depending on where I upvote, at the moment 1 upvote looks like for me:
- POB -- 0.30000000
- LEO -- 0.030
- Ecency -- 0.001
Unit Bias?
Ecency does everything at Layer 1-- the Hive blockchain itself. My voting power in terms of HIVE and Hive Power is best reflected here.
Where it gets distorted is when I use tribal front-ends to take advantage of Layer 2-- the sidechains where the tribes (and games) are located.
While I have more or less similar amounts of staked POB and LEO (around 350 of each), he value of my upvote is dramatically different. I can't explain why this would be, but I know there are several factors involved. That's not my concern.
My concern here is just knowing that the disparity exists. This means that each tribe has its own rules and formulas for calculating what someone's upvote is worth. And that means if I use a different front-end to upvote the same content I will end up with a different result when the curation rewards arrive.
Point To Keep in Mind
As I noted earlier, much of my time is at 2 places. That means my engagement is at those 2 places, and that includes the upvotes I make.
As a result, the value of my Layer 2 upvotes (especially in terms of POB and LEO) is greater than for my Layer 1 upvotes (done primarily with Ecency).
Had I spent more time using Ecency to engage with tribal content, my numbers would be dramatically different.
Because of the path I took to make my earnings, my earnings are what they are. This includes the value of my upvotes. I'm OK with that.
What To Do?
An upvote I make at The CTP Swarm or at Hive Hustlers will have a lesser value than an upvote I make at Proof of Brain or LeoFinance. Since I'm not active at The CTP Swarm or at Hive Hustlers as I am at PoB and at LF, I shouldn't expect the same kind of numbers of my upvotes.
So I decided on this approach:
- I match the front-end I use to the post made. Use PoB to upvote a PoB post, use CTPtalk.com to upvote a CTP post, etc.
- If I want to upvote a post or comment I find which was made using a general front-end, I switch to a tribal front-end. If the tribal front-end can present the post-- and not all will-- then I use that front-end to make my upvote.
For the most part, that approach has worked for me.
One Side Effect
Unfortunately, this means that for any content generated with a general front-end, my upvote has minimal value. For those upvotes, I'm still at dusting threshold or below it.
Recently @dustsweeper and @dustbunny have been helping me by pushing me above dusting threshold, but that doesn't solve my upvote situation.
So What Now?
As much as I want to keep using tribal front-ends to boost my Layer 2 earnings, I can't neglect my Layer 1 earnings-- actual HIVE and Hive Power.
Not that I'll go out of my way to find content just to find it, but if I encounter anything generated from a general front-end I should use a general front-end to make my upvote. If I'm not active at Layer 1, I can't expect my upvote to gain value.
My Solution
| I will match my upvoting with the front-end used to generate the content. |
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Use Layer 1 with Layer 1, and use Layer 2 with Layer 2.
If I use Layer 2, then use the right tribal-front end; no mismatching. Use PoB for POB, use LF for LEO, use CTPtalk.com for CTP, etc.
I think this approach will help bring me better balance in my upvote value. It will still take a while for me to see progress at Layer 1, but now I know what to expect and I can work on improving that situation.
Special mention to @dibblers.dabs for is post "When you know, you know. When you first join Hive, you don't." about ways we can earn more. Upvoting is one of them, but we need to be more careful in how we do that.
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I noticed the same especially with the leofinance payouts. Thanks for confirmation on this observation :)
You're welcome! Now that we both know about this issue, we just have to use the right front-nd not only for posting but also for upvoting. If you do more commenting that post publishing, this will be crucial to helping the upvote gain more value.
I have just tested this out by 100% upvoting this comment on Ecency. It provided a 0.009 Hive upvote over there. I then came over here to POB and verified that the vote here was worth my full POB upvote at 0.72 POBs.
My vote mana is a little lower than normal right now which is why my vote is not the full 0.81 POB and 0.012 HIVE it would be if I was at 100% mana.
It looks to me like the vote amount remains the same whichever frontend you are using, it's just that the reward displayed is only shown on the relevant frontend.
By that I mean that you cannot see the reward amount you are providing in all tokens on a single frontend!
So if you vote on Ecency and the post allows rewards in LEO and POB, your vote on Ecency SHOULD give that content a reward in LEO, POB, and HIVE based on usage of the appropriate tags!
I'm glad you brought this up and made me go through and double check it!
I do think that some frontends impose a tax on earnings for usage of their tag instead of directly using the frontend but that shouldn't be a factor on upvotes, just on when you write a comment or original post!
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Maybe I interpreted my numbers wrong, or I missed other factors; it wouldn't be the first time. Thanks for taking time to check.
It's a really important piece of the puzzle. I just went over to leo to see what our votes were worth over there for comparison and because the post wasn't tagged with leo or leofinance it wont even show up over there and therefore there are no earnings in LEO.
This means that you are right about the earnings being limited by usage of particular frontends for voting content. I am sure that LEO isn't the only frontend with that kind of limitation.
It's good to know that votes I make on Ecency or PeakD are paying out POB where relevant though!
I used the Proof of Brain front-end to publish this post so I could earn POB, but had I included a token tag for LeoFinance I would have earned LEO on this post as well. I chose not to include it since this was more of a general post or a using Hive-orientd post.
I use the tribal front-ends because the offer authors a premium for posts made using them insteead of the general front-ends. I figured that also extended to upvotes; even if that's not true, it didn't hurt me to do make the switch.
Hey thanks for the mention! I wasn't aware there was so much of a difference between votes on the different frontends. As an example I know that if I vote on a POB post via ecency that content will get BOTH my base HIVE vote and my POB vote- I had not verified that the amount of POB it was worth was different but I will double check next time I do so!
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Ecency notified me of your comment to my post, and since I used the Proof of Brain front-end to publish my post I switched domains from ecency.com to proofofbrain.io in order to upvote your comment. Since I use Ecency for notifications and account management, I will go back to Ecency after I hit the POST button.
right. and now if you look at the upvote here on ecency it shows its worth 0.002 HIVE
but if you look at the upvote on POB it's worth 0.32 POB
Some caluculator math got me these results based on your screen captures:
The math is corrrect, but maybe the calculation is wrong and some other formula is used behind the scenes.
We can keep trying to figure it out, but I'm OK leaving it there and focusing on other ways to earn more rewards.
I think you may be missing my point here. You get both the hive and the POB from my single upvote.
I upvoted the comment in ecency and then went to POB but did not have to vote again in order for the 0.32 POB reward to be applied.
Since I published my post using Layer 2, I would get earnings at both Layer 2 and Layer 1. In addition, I would gain earnings for whatever other token tags I used.
What had me scratching my head was how much the upvote varied between the HIVE and POB even accounting for exchange rates and TX fees (if any).
So what you're saying is that I still get an upvote in POB from you even if you upvote for me using Ecency.
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying and what I verified with the screenshots. You can test it here if you go upvote this in ecency, then go back over to POB and refresh. You'll see the POB amount show up there without voting again.
You could further verify it by checking your earnings in the various tokens after a post has paid out. If you know a post is about to payout you can check what you earned in HIVE and see that you will also receive POB and other tokens as well at the same time!
Thank you for this knowledge which you have shared it will help we that are still new even in this community if everyone can be doing like this it won't be hard or difficult for the newbies.
Since I joined his community I've been facing a lot of difficulties but as Time Goes On things are getting better so this is the type of Post which we need that will make us grow faster having this type of people in this community is such a blessing to us.
Logical and interesting findings, man. I must admit that i am impressed! Keep it up, man!👍🤝