RE: Hive Middle Class Developing
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What I'm attempting to point out and often fail is how the support system is the only thing that makes this platform different. It's not used effectively though or even marketed.
Agree! I think this highlights that we're actually both in agreement. I even said in my original response this very statement. Hive itself is ready to go, the issue is not its function, but its appeal (none).
When I explain it, most can't see how consumers/supporters and investors have different mindsets....You're not one and explaining this any other way still won't make sense to you.
It's not that I, or others are too low IQ to understand these basic principles of how things should, could and would work. It's just demonstrably, they aren't, don't, and won't.
I've literally been here for as long as you, pretty consistently the entire time, I've been involved in projects for years and I have plans for a new one. So I personally believe in the system and obviously see its potential and the various ways it can be utilized effectively. If not, I would have quit long ago.
However, it's just not an ecosystem conducive to 99.99999%+ of people as consumers/supporters, let alone a hawkish investment-minded elite who could get the place kickstarted. I get that there's an entirely new way of thinking about things regarding stakes and encouraging engagement for rewards. But that clearly, demonstrably isn't nearly enough.
Hell, this place could have the greatest possible online ecosystem ever to be constructed that could single-handedly transform the planet into a utopia. It still won't get off the ground on merit alone.
Generally, it's the support a project gets from big investors that gives users the confidence of legitimacy and up-and-coming vibes. Even that doesn't guarantee things - just look at all the failed Google projects out there with all the financial backing in the world - but it absolutely raises the chances far more than simply depending on users being slowly drawn in like a donkey drawn to a carrot on a stick.
Most people from outside coming in think about it as such: A dodgy place where you turn money into fake money in order to generate more fake money which you can't actually do anything with, and you have to suffer through reading boring content and writing even more boring content in order to acquire said fake money.
That ball and chain has never been able to be shaken off. Marketing to consumers alone isn't gonna be enough. If Bill Gates came along and studied it and poured a ton of his money into it, then everyone will be like 'well hang on a minute, legit, uncensored blockchain social media? I'm in!'
Alternatively, front ends are perhaps wiser to conceal or minimize the very fact that blockchain and hive is even involved in whatever project they create, and make those independent projects successful in and of themselves in the traditional sense of start-ups
I wasn't suggesting people aren't smart enough to see the difference. It's just years of programming and always doing things the same way. Crypto is synonymous with investors. Consumers in crypto hardly exists; rare and does not compute. Once those elements become more part of the background, crypto is just money.
I know crypto has a bad name. General public thinks it's trash or thinks they'll be ripped off. Demonstrating how this platform has a solid foundation with evidence won't help either because they won't understand the demonstration.
People do understand "see video, like video, comment."
Also, and I'm not trying to be confrontational and offering counter points just for the sake of argument.
There are big investors here.
You're looking at the current form of the content, thinking people wouldn't be interested. And I can agree, a lot of it's boring and wouldn't attract outside support. When I'm talking about this, I'm not trying to sell this content.
So what's more likely to bring more people? And influencer smiles and says Hive. Or a content creator with their own community offering this support system to their followers.
First one has happened several times and doesn't amount to a damn thing. Second one hasn't happened yet is far more appealing since the only way to move that crowd would be to offer them a better deal. Now you're "marketing" to both content creators and consumers. The people who have large followings on the outside never once brought paying supporters with them. It has always been a missed opportunity. Those supporters trust the personalities they follow. Unfortunately that has led to ripoffs as well. Crypto Zoo for example.
Luckily this platform is decentralized and this approach couldn't turn into a rip off like that. Still, again, those people on the outside wouldn't understand that. I get all this.
Eight years though. No progress in that department. Always the same excuses. Gets old.
People are free to continue creating products for consumers and ignoring the consumers. Can go on for another eight years. Perhaps by then they'll catch on. Magically.
Maybe it's worth mentioning a current case study. Vibes. Look how fast it's growing. The existing support must be shared with each new content creator showing up. Without any added support, the more popular it becomes, the faster it stagnates. The solution is to bring in outside support. People spend billions on music each year. That's a decent pile of money to tap into and this is the first time people that enjoy music can earn to support it rather than throwing those billions away. So there's two choices. Ignore the consumers and allow it to stagnate. Or attract the consumers and allow it to prosper. Boils down to a simple choice.
Watch.
Yep, agree here too.
My idea to get around this blockage is, in my humble opinion, genius on many levels but A) I'm too worried about sharing it and the idea getting stolen B) I don't have the business savvy to get it started C) I don't wanna spend my money knowing the low, low success rate of otherwise great projects here in the past.
Basically a lack of confidence from me - I'd trust you enough if you're mildly curious to hear about it in DMs or something - but point being, that's someone of 7 or 8 years on here lacking confidence that it'll work out. It's much harder to imagine people from a totally outside world coming in with this entirely different and complicated ecosystem, even if you have a large community of loyal followers. I think there's a line in the sand some people just won't cross.
Shifting that line in the sand in our favour is, apparently, extraordinarily difficult to do, but we certainly agree it's not impossible. Just missed opportunity after missed opportunity - including, guilty as charged, my own.
I added another thought to the end of that comment. Just something to watch in real time. It could potentially be the first community to get this ball rolling and they're doing a lot of the right things so far. Vibes is doing an incredible job of tapping into the outside world.
I've been going on about this for years and know what to look for. I understand the lack of confidence and I see that being a common trait here. I'm stubborn though and when I set my eyes on something I don't stop looking at it. It's been frustrating for me though, and people know that. Doing my best to not become bitter and resentful.
I also don't expect anyone to change. So when I see a new community and new people ready to go and make something of this opportunity, I get excited. And it isn't that hopium shit critics with no real plan like to throw around when they don't understand, disagree with something, or just feel like mocking others.
Everyone knows it's uncool to care.
I spent awhile demonstrating what can be accomplished here but where I failed was not having the outside market to tap into so I could simply show people rather than talking about it. Never saw it as being complicated. Could have done so much more. To make up for that, I try to make people see what I saw.
Not impossible. And right now the last thing I want to do is overwhelm that new crowd and community by stepping up and trying to explain. Too much, too soon. Not my project either so don't want to interfere.
And that low success rate you speak of boils down to building and depending on only the existing consumer base. The problem snowballed into this lack of confidence, naturally. Saw it coming years ago but couldn't do much other than point it out. Of course nobody wants to hear they're setting themselves up to struggle. Build it and they will come only happens in the movies.