Azircon You're a Shame! Don't Vote Just Reblog If Hive Is Yours

You're a shame and a disgrace for #Hive, Azircon!

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At least Lucy wanted some intellectual zipless fuck.

I shared my crypto investments with the Hive communities lately, thinking I can do this even if that permanent blacklist came because I was a whale in POB at some point and this disturbed some people.

Now, this bully that we know, @azircon, thought about getting some more from the DV poll, just after another one did the same yesterday on one of my comments promoting Hive on Twitter.

Some know how frustrated and full of revenge @azircon can be. In fact, he's just another puppet of the whole Hive Watcher's group owning #Hive and playing the markets as they did start from late March 2021.

So, here is how he serves (my ass) the community, while I invest in Hive from my Paypal (Splinterlands), Rising Star, and from other cryptos + invest time to promote Hive since March 2021 with N Mars and others.
Downvoted my achievements. I guess I won't be sharing them anymore.
https://ecency.com/hive-13323/@regenerette/my-latest-investments-splinterlands-rising-star-leo-hot

Downvoting the promotional work I do for Hive: https://ecency.com/hive-167922/@regenerette/re-hiro-hive-2021914t33612527z
https://ecency.com/hive-167922/@regenerette/re-hiro-hive-2021916t6245920z

Gonne write more about this shit I am receiving since March on other networks and show how the games are made around here and who plays what and how.

I think I voted too much for @edicted :)) and the mask got upset. Or...I have recognized a pattern in how the market drops and why on Hive and just reminded that in my post today. We're not all idiots. Use your HP to DV but you cannot shut me up anywhere.

Thanks for a welcome back. Now go ahead with downvoting!

@wil.metcalfe, there's no hope here.

@regenerette: This is me, without the power of Hive token
One of these numbers there. Some of you also know this, https://www.thinkers360.com/top-50-global-thought-leaders-and-influencers-on-edtech-september-2021/

Top 50 Global Thought Leaders and Influencers on EdTech (September 2021)

Whatever your answer is, is how you position yourself in Hive. And I have seen brave people following and trusting my content, I have seen dogs in farming comments and likes and I have seen cowards, as well. Reblog if you think the community needs to know this kind of behavior.

After 6 months Hive Watchers still haven't checked my website or sent an email but keeps my @regeneretta account closed.

Enough...there are so many dirty games of monopoly and control in Hive.



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Lucy is a dodo head and he deserves to get all the downvotes he receives posting that garbage about vax soup and all that. He gets on my nerves too, he made his bead, now he can sleep in it, with the fishes. Lucy comes here and attacks at the hive, he should expect to bee stung. Pun intended. I quit downvoting, but happy to see we got a boss around here to take care of business. Maybe if lucy would back his posts up with facts that would be another story, but he hbases everything on what he reads in comments on facebook, and other totally stupid social media websites where the fud rises to the top like rotten cream. You can't believe any of those fudders anywhere, all they do is lie!

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Hi @azircon! 👋

I don’t know you from Adam or Eve... but I was wondering if we might have some clarification on this downvote as it is highly contentious... 👇
https://ecency.com/hive-13323/@regenerette/my-latest-investments-splinterlands-rising-star-leo-hot

Zeroing out original content isn’t a good look for new people on boarding the blockchain... and right now we could really use the collaborative efforts of everyone to scaleUP and market/brand Hive in the best possible light.

I look forward to hearing back from you,

@wil.metcalfe

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If your going to defend people @wil.metcalfe maybe you should defend those that deserve it. Instead of supporting shady folk on the chain. Find some people that are actually good content creators. We dont need these kind of people to be represented as bloggers on the chain in good light.

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Some people just need to be expelled from the community.

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I have seen the drama one angry person and one rude person can create together.. This isn’t really what this is about... what it’s about? I’ll spell it out to in in short hand here since I have already spent enough time with this specific problem today.

This is about maintaining Hive’s integrity (yes) but doing it in a way that also preserves the marketable friendliness of this blockchain.

An example of why this is important?

I’ll use myself as an example...

I have been in business for well over 10 years. Having sold my business and invested half my Bitcoin in Hive over the course of 4 years... it wasn’t long before I realized that Hive needed all hands on deck. Before that I was busy building my fitness business on the blockchain but something strange happened... nothing! 😆 (and it wasn’t for lack of trying... I’m a certified personal trainer with over 10 years of experience in both fitness and business!)

So I took my focus away from making Hive a destination and instead poured myself into promoting Hive along side @nathanmars on Twitter. We worked day and night to promote Hive and I even started shooting LIVE fitness video on YouTube as well! Whatever I could do to get the word out about Hive.

That’s when I found out about all the unfriendly methods in which Hive’s integrity was being maintained...

I couldn’t believe my eyes and ears!

How could I continue to promote Hive when unfriendly fires were burning on my very door step?!

So back I came to see what I could do...

I threw myself into the gaps on Twitter... so why not also try to do something to encourage Hive towards friendly outcomes? Hive is my home after all... I have my entire family in here and many of my friends too!

I had to clean up the figurative glass that was everywhere?

How could I even think about building a business that would last 20 years in the context of this social environment?!

No we had to do better than all those social2.0’s that had come before...

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity... for us all!

And so I doubled back to see what I could do.

And good, bad, or ugly... that’s what I’m here to do.

Even if someone is wrong or has done wrong... how we handle these sorts of situations need to be dealt with the utmost care and careful thought.

Our brand, our communities, our future competitive edge... it’s all at stake.

And so if you zoom out... there’s far far more going on here than meets the eye... I hope that you understand.

@wil.metcalfe

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P.S. I should probably mention... I support tons of really great people on this blockchain... I think that you might be jumping to conclusions with those implications... (which I don’t appreciate by the way...)

If your going to criticize me at least give me the decency of being polite and checking the facts about me and my social activities on this blockchain. Or maybe ask me a question... that would give me a chance to give you an answer and save you from jumping to the wrong conclusions about me...

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By the way @solominer...

I believe that everyone deserves to be treated with decency and basic levels of respect especially the ones who are fighting tooth and nail all by themselves...

  • What would ever inspire them to do this I wonder?
  • Are they out of their minds?
  • Or is there more than meets the eye going on?
  • Perhaps? or... what if?!

AND I also believe that it's not right for people to have to stand alone in the middle of a mob.

No matter if they are "right" or "wrong" everyone deserves that much.

One of my best friends, @janan.jarrah, is a defense attorney. She is a professional handler of bullies. That's her title... and I would say that I pickedUP a little of her fighting spirit and I'm proud what what she manages to do in far far more difficult situations than this one.

It's just really bad to see mob action on an account you know... right or wrong... if the right things are done in the wrong way... it always ends up wrong for ALL the owners here on the blockchain.

Some decency would say that everyone deserves to have someone represent them no matter what the situation.

If we can't do that... how can we be sure that we have actually arrived at the truth of the matter AND a correspondingly appropriate measure? To not make an allowance for this is to create a culture of lynch mobs with pitchforks and torches.

All through history we have many examples to draw upon as to why this is not the best way to serve real and true justice so why would we default and judge someone who is willing to take it upon themselves to step into the gaps and do this on this blockchain?

What if the next time it was your head on the chopping block?

Would you not want me or someone like me to at least step in and create the necessary back and forth to bring about the best possible course of action... for everyone who makes Hive their home?

We need to, above all, preserve the good Wil and marketability of Hive WHILE also evolving and implementing Hive's Integrity measures.

This is what it means to want a friendly Hive...

And THAT is the social environment that I want...

and that is why I believe it to be worth stepping into the gaps that appear.

@wil.metcalfe

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Wil… why don’t you relax and enjoy your hive journey. Why meddle with complicated things that doesn’t concern you. Especially things like “new users” :)

Don’t worry about these things okay? Cheers! :)

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Hi @Azircon,

As we are all Hive owners it should be undeniable that every Hive owner have the best interests of all new accounts in mind.

We all have a stake in the outcomes found here on Hive and that directly translates into the outcomes outside of the Hive Blockchain too. Our success collectively depends on this.

So seeing something that just doesn’t feel right (to me anyways.) isn’t about medaling... it’s about acknowledging the facts... we can not move Hive forward with a passive, complacent, or apathetic mindset.

We all need to take active roles. It’s all hands on deck if we are to survive the obscurity and make Hive into what it could be. That, in my opinion, is what it means to be an owner of Hive (and I’m sure that you know this well).

Speaking of which...

I have been a Hive owner for nearly 4 years and invested a great deal of my time and personal capital into this blockchain and it’s communities.

As an owner I consider Hive my home and therefore it is my (and everyone’s) job to do our utmost to keep Hive a healthy, wholesome, and thriving social environment. A blockchain destination where we can all invite our friends, families, and famous.

This is something, I am certain, we all would like to be able to do... but it begins with an acknowledgment of the facts.

How we treat people be they new, old, experienced, inexperienced, etc. (and yeah... even when they are in the wrong or behave badly) does matter. How we treat our own does matter.

The whole world is watching... and they are deciding if they want to be a part of this blockchain or not...

Because the Hive Blockchain is a store of social capital our actions (be they positive or negative) do translate directly into the financial capital being asked for on the open markets.

Everything is connected... in fact, I would say that this is one of the significant things that we are innovating here on the Hive Blockchain.

We can communicate value to people with the click of a button or (as in this example) we can take it away.

Often there is no definite right or wrong in doing so... only relative outcomes... However, that is not always the case as it is also possible to implicitly (or explicitly) communicating far more.

So it is on this point that I would like to understand why you have decided to zero out peoples (not just this authors) posts?

Why have you taken it upon yourself to absolutely zero out a personal post where someone is giving an update on their life for their life an audience?

Would it not be better to adjust someone’s behaviour socially via the use of less turbulent social means (a simple explanation within the comments even) if the need seemed apparent?

These softer methods produce less social friction for us all and help to mitigate a whole lot unnecessary and adverse outcomes for Hive’s overall well-being.

But also, these less aggressive methods could be more conducive to creating an environment where everyone who puts effort in can build up their own audience of appreciators, build up this place making it a repository of people winning, thriving, and having fun together! THIS would make Hive an even easier blockchain destination to promote to those outside our direct influence... and we desperately need this signal in the market to move the price where we all want it to be!

We all coexist together here on Hive. It is a network that works because people want to create content and value it amongst their peers... with every person that comes and then leaves that’s one less person to actually turn the gears that make the blockchain work. And many hands (typing) make for light and easy work... for us all!

There are 2 other things that should be noted as well...

Certain actions tend to vibrate or cascaded through the system more than others. Zero outs are one of these sorts of social actions (made possible on this blockchain) and this is the sort of thing that spreads on and off the blockchain in quite predicable ways... all of which aren’t good for the blockchain as a whole.

Do we need to DV sometimes? Certainly! There are times where this is more than appropriate. I do at times but of course that’s never my default response. I want to make that clear so as to not be misunderstood.

The other thing to note...

For every new and inexperienced person that we have managed to bring to this blockchain... we have had to battle it out in the trenches on Twitter, YouTube, Fitbit, etc. (These are the current Social2.0’s that I promote Hive on and I’m quite regularly doing that because I really do believe in Hive.) we have had to have conversations with upwards of 100 people.

That’s a conversion rate of about 1 in 100 and just to get a new person through the door. No small task to be sure...

We have people giving their time day and night to promote and build this place up... and their doing it consistently and for free!

That’s another reason why how we onboard, cultivate, and work with new people matters so so much!

If we spoil our opportunity to do that and set up a “Zero Out Culture” on Hive... that is what we are going to be known for within the wider crypto community. This directly effects our brand.

I don’t know about you... but I really think we have a chance to do things differently here with and on Hive.

We are innovating new and better ways to human here on Hive everyday!

That definitely means we all need to take some time to rethink how we are going about things on the blockchain... don’t you?

This could be a once in a lifetime opportunity... to be better than all the social media platforms that have come before us.

It’s really up to us... individually and collectively.

Sincerely,

@wil.metcalfe

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We are already doing things the right way. Just not every spammer is part of it. Alright? Again before you speak you must listen. At least that's what we teach to our kids.

You are an adult and I can't educate you. You got to research and spend time to find out who I am and what I do for hive. Good luck.

My last word on this subject ;)

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Listening is a two way street is it not? If we are to be all treated with intellectual respect doesn’t that mean that I listen to you and you listen to me? After all... we are both grown men are we not?

I do believe there is the way that things are being done... but I sincerely think that there is value in taking the time to reconsider our approach and thinking outside the “block” could yield the next innovation/solution as we head towards bringing Hive to the marketplace.

I believe how we scale our response to behaviour we don’t want on this blockchain is going to be a critical factor in the months and years ahead.

And I also believe that just because we can... doesn’t always mean that we should.

And if someone questions things they see in an effort to find a better solution to the problem... shouldn’t that be respected with an ear to the ground?

It’s feedback... and the bigger a Hive account gets... the more important this becomes... because people begin to behave differently when they know that someone has means and weight behind them.

I hope that you are responsive to my voice.

Regards,

@wil.metcalfe

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So all of my posts this week were spam before the exit post I made mentioning you?

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Shame on you for downvoting human history. The history of ones own life is also precious. A most precious thing. And you give not two shits.

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I do know @azircon and while I don't expect you to take my word for it (as with all things, DYOR), I can tell you @wil.metcalfe that in my experience @azircon is a voice of reason, and tries to find the solution that is not only fair, but is best for the overall well-being of the blockchain. I've even seen him champion people who (IMHO) may not deserve any compassion. And as I explained in my other reply to you, when someone is blacklisted for repeatedly stealing content, that doesn't mean they get a pass if they suddenly post something original.

Personally, I think it's the perfect look for new people coming in - knowing if they steal from other content creators, they won't be able to monetize their blogs is a good thing to know right out of the starting gate.

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I got all my posts for a whole week downvoted because I said "okay karen" to this psychic leech

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You think that's contentious - have you seen my account?... nuked on every post for the last 6 months? ..A shit show.

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It looks like your new audience (you know the people you write for) has become 1 massive DV account and a whole bunch of little ones UPvoting because they want to see your content... is this what Hive has come too? And if it has... how are any of us ever going to promote it to new people on the social2.0’s ever again? Why would I bother sending people here where they are going to be attacked outright and justified for doing so? And then these same people want us to invest our capital and #BUIDL business’s here? I have got to have confidence before I do continue to do something like that... so again I ask... Is THIS what Hive has come to?

Or can we do better........

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Unfortunately (as I've been screaming for 4 years!), DPoS itself allows for 'actions without ethics'.
Down voting (written into the code) is dependent -explicitly- on stake power.
Integrity and ethics can be conveniently abrogated in the name of 'code'.

Add into the mix some very immature players, and here we are...The longer I see it play out - repeatedly from the steem days - I see no fix.

The powers that be (mistakenly) think that everything is fine and no change is required.
All metrics would point to the opposite of that, but hey.

'Skin in the game' and greed, (while having some positive attributes) can also blind people to what is blatantly obvious - to those that take an objective view of things.
When those views are aired, they are pilloried.
Hive has many cult like features.

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Will. I don't know what you are smoking but I like to have some of that.

Promote? What promote? We are organically growing right now. We don't need any promotion, especially from people like you. We are creating 10K new account/day! What kind of La La land you are living.

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Now earlier, I politely asked you, don't worry about things that doesn't concern you

and I also said, you are an adult and I can't tell you what to do. But just be ready for consequences.

Lastly, and finally. We don't need you help. We really don't.

If you want to enjoy your time at hive, do so. If you don't want to enjoy your time at hive, don't! Just stop bothering me, Wil. Otherwise, I WILL handle you and that will be the consequence.

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That’s a pretty unfriendly response sir. I would have you know... for months now I have been in the top 10 promoting Hive on Twitter (to name only 1 social2.0) for quite some time according to Lunar Crush. So I do my part to spread the word about Hive everywhere I go and I have been doing that ever since I started on Hive nearly 4 years ago. I am disappointed that you would resort to threatening me. Why? For asking questions? Seriously?

Now in response to the signUP numbers you graphed out. It is commonly known that those numbers were generated via Splinterlands signUPs... and they actually had to shut down their market place because those accounts were scamming the entire system to get their hands on free Hive via the gamification loop.

I’m not saying all of those accounts were created in this way... but I am saying that many of them have been brought into existence in this way and for that purpose.

We all know that most of the Splinterlands posts (although I love the game and what they are doing for Hive) are not accounts generating high value posts for Hive. Many of them are generating game outcomes and have little more function than that.

So this is my response and it comes from someone who is a responsible Hive owner and someone who cares about Hive and it’s social state...

I mean no harm to you and in fact would like to see you and your investment in Hive gain traction... if we can all be open and honest about what is happening and where this will take us... I think that it is clear to see that we will all benefit!

Thinking like an owner isn’t a passive thing... it’s about caring. And I care... that is why I continue to use my voice and speak... isn’t that the point in bringing this thing we all call Hive into existence?

To explore digital freedom and innovate further how social3.0 can impact the world for better?

I think so and so it is with this that I ask you to reconsider your stance... and please leave off with the threats. This does nothing to move your social capital and standing within the wider Hive community forward.

Everything WE ALL DO is public and here for all to see and we have a whole community of people who came to this place to think for themselves and to build their own dreams of a decentralized future.

This is our home... all of our home and so how we treat each other... it matters.

@wil.metcalfe

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This is not a threat.

I am respectfully asking you to stop bothering me. I can ask that to anyone online. I DO NOT want to interact with you. This is my choice.

OKAY?

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Certainly. And I respect the fact that your not interested in conversing with me further.

I think that you know my position and I think that I know yours...

I gave you my respect in attempting to convey my thoughts to you directly...

...and I’ll, with the hopes that something I said reaches you positively, leave off further discussions with you upon your request.

I wish you all the best and all the success that you deserve.

Sincerely,

@wil.metcalfe

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Hi to you,

I followed the comments.

Would you say that the experience here with actors who see downvotes as the means of choice teaches you that there are people who see rebuke or even punishment as totally legitimate means?

If you assume that you cannot overcome this conviction, that you cannot bring the other person who uses these means down to your level, what is the insight or consequence for you?

From my point of view, those who use DV-power would only take you seriously if you did not discuss with them but downvote them in turn. If you are weaker than them, they will not take you seriously. They will only take it seriously if they have to deal with a reaction similar to their own.

Either someone would have to find someone who downvotes with the same voting strength or a group of people who do this with stoic regularity and without much explanation. The rule of the game is quite clear: one only listens to the stronger and only bows to those who are clearly the stronger. Arguments are of little interest, it is really a matter of learning that one is superior or inferior (not my view).

Transferred to a street fight, such people who take a good beating would accept the thug and bow down. Where the thug is defeated, the rule of "the strongest wins" also applies here.

Your call for intellectual exchange ist not served. It is probably not even read. The expressions of respect in this direction could be seen as weakness, an encouragement. In my view, you have not only achieved nothing, but you have increased the strength of the person who sees you as an opponent. Either as an opponent who has already been defeated or one who is yet to be defeated. (No offense, I could be wrong with the analyses.)

Since all this can probably be perceived as a game at the same time, people laugh at each other when they are not angry with each other. The player mentality can be seen here on Hive and many online platforms, I think.

My question to you would be: If you were even in your Voting-power would you take up the fight? Are you "in" for those rules?

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Hi @erh.germany,

I do downvote if and when it seems correct to do so... however reluctant I am to do so.

Why? Because I believe that one should have class. I believe that one should treat the disease of unfriendliness with a healthy does of friendliness and if the environment does not support this... then it is a doomed social construct as it does not elevate human kind.

If we have no choice but to stoop to brutish levels... then this is not a place to fight over. It has a fatal flaw at it's core.

Technology should be used to bring humanity together and to a whole new plane... if it can not do this then it does not deserve to continue and more than likely will not continue.

If all that matters to those who "run this place" is that their power exceeds yours (intellect be hanged) then this isn't a place that will support growth.

It is unfortunate to see these sorts of minds elevated and given prominence on the platform. Blockchain is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It is a chance to innovate new and better ways to human TOGETHER... and it is a shame if this is not the focus of those making use of the blockchain.

People go to where they are treated best... and so does capital.

That is why I have decided (after nearly 4 long years in the Hive trenches) to power down ALL my accounts and move my business's, ideas, and family over to another place with more positive prospects.

I could attempt to fight fire with fire... and I know that many here think that this is the way to proceed... But I believe that out of that conflict will come nothing but scorched earth.

We need to spend our time, energy, and attention BUIDLing the future TOGETHER... and if we can not get our heads out of our a$$'s long enough to do that... Then this is doomed before it started.

I am an investor who votes his values... It's a decentralized future that made me move 100% over to the Hive Blockchain when we transitioned from the "blockchain that shall not be named"... But I can see clearly that we have not progressed towards a decentralized future in one iota. We have rather exchanged one centralized rotten apple for another.

So for me... I have chosen this day to exit with my feet.

And I suggest that the wise and prudent among us do the same... but that is not my decision to make.

All I can do is lead with action. That is what I have been doing since I came to this blockchain... and it is what I will continue to do.

I do appreciate your time and assessment.

I can tell this from your words that you are wise.

So thank you.

@wil.metcalfe

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Hello,

thank you for responding.

So you would like to have a reaction similar to your own, is, how I understand you. I prefer to agree with people, too. I realized though that "similar to ones own" also means to react with strong force - the other side of the spectrum.

Technology should be used to bring humanity together and to a whole new plane... if it can not do this then it does not deserve to continue and more than likely will not continue.

I would answer that technology is and is not used for the purposes people like to wish they would. For me, that's plain reality. No unity, in an all encompassing way, will show up in this regard. How could it? Is that a reality you would like to accept?

May I ask, why you do downvote, when you are not fully convinced of it? When you are reluctant in doing so, why doing it at all?

I once had an argument with a friend of mine about a different matter. She was having a break with her partner and fell in love with a youth friend of hers again. She wanted to share with me how good she felt to have found that man again after more than 20 years and she wanted me to be happily excited about it. I did not feel this excitement. Instead, I sensed that she was carrying a bad consciousness with her, the part which did not enjoy the "new love" but judged it. I told her (after she insisted): "Look, if you cannot feel yourself the joy of it, how can you expect me to feel it? If you cannot allow yourself to be of a light and bright mood, don't expect me to bring it to you. I would join you and be happy for you, if you were happy yourself. I cannot see this happiness. But you are an adult, you know what you are doing." I mirrored her in what I thought were her own virtues, not so much mine. For my part, she could have an affair or love more than one man, I wouldn't mind so much. ... I don't know if this anecdote transports what I wanted to say...

People go to where they are treated best... and so does capital.

Yes, that's what they do. I guess, leaving Hive from your present state of mind will change itself in the future to having had a valuable life experience. At least for me, disappointments can be seen in this way, after some time has passed.

the "blockchain that shall not be named".

HaHa, LOL :D

Your suggestion to change the location or move elsewhere: I am glad that you do not demand it. I am indifferent to it. I think, for me personally, I will make the same experiences everywhere else. I guess, I am also lazy to build up something new, for I got used to the environment, the features and such.
I think, some people got to stay, in order to be the "middle ground".

We need to spend our time, energy, and attention BUIDLing the future TOGETHER... and if we can not get our heads out of our a$$'s long enough to do that... Then this is doomed before it started.

... Hm... how about leaving aside the "need" and the "we"? How about to remain spontane towards what brings you joy instead of making an effort towards what you think is a duty (or having financial pressures)? Have you had the experience that a posting of yours received high attention (through either votes or/and comments) while you pressed the publish button without any expectations whatsoever? If yes, can you share the feeling how much fun that was?

If this whole place will sink into oblivion, then it shall sink. I am neither supporting its going down, nor am I eager to promote its going up. For I think, it will sort itself out anyways, like you mentioned. People go, where the most fun and inspiration is to be found. If it uses itself up, they leave. Just different in pace and time.

Don't misunderstand me. I don't want to convince you to stay or to leave. I share some questions and thoughts with you, because I have time and pleasure in doing so.

Greetings to you. :)

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Thats because your stance is weak and you know it. Your only escape is honesty. You nay speak lies to the world and have good peoples skills all the same. Example, nazis with great food and table manners. Your hurting hive and the math shows it. Your also hurting your future investment to have more. You do want more right? Im sure.

Your actions of greed are plastered throughout chain. There is no washing it off now. You need to seriously re evaluate how the money flows.

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We can choose to stay and join blurt. No dv there.

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@wil.metcalfe

Here is a link where you can be a part of the consensus: https://discord.gg/tVjRSwTG9v

Unless you join in the conversations you won't be privy to what is up.
You can lurk, if you like, but you are trying to get us to plow ground that has been plowed enough.
Once Az is on it, it's pretty much final.

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well i guess its final I am leaving hive then, he downvoted all my posts for replying to a comment he tagged me in...

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I hate to hear that.
Seems kinda sudden.

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This is exactly the vibes that spread around the blockchain when a zero out is felt. It communicates at an EXTREAMLY intense level because it short circuits the authors audience making the content creator fully aware that their account is not their own anymore. This is another form of centralization and is a dangerous signal to the entire crypto market.

People have an eye on Hive and are waiting to see what we innovate. If the only news coming out of Hive is a zero out culture, anger, and hostility... that's not going to bode well for our cherished brand.

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The worst part is, @azricon tagged me in the post that he was triggered by the response to, then proceeded to go on an irrational downvoting spree on every post of mine this week.

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That's pretty heavy handed... and just for having a different opinion and also saying 1 word/name that wasn't liked? Yikes man... 😳

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There is other blockchains with social utilities that are not becoming an echo chamber for a status quo, I will be investing into them.

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@wil.metcalfe, he downvoted every single active post of mine yesterday simply for commenting on a post of someone (friend of mine) who was announcing their departure from the blockchain for being targeted simply for talking to someone on this psycho's hit list. All of my posts are original work, the ones that got hit had actually taken me very many hours to put together - like a week's part time work at least. None of them could possibly be deemed spam, all of them are comprehensive original, well sourced independent journalistic pieces (and a video I put together). So anyone saying azircon only votes spam or spammers is fooling themselves.

I never mentioned or talked to this azircon dude before, and now seem to have been targeted simply for conversing with someone targeted for conversing with @lucylin. It's absolutely out of control insanity. This is psychotic behavior. I've never interacted with this guy, I don't know who he is, he never 'warned' or 'threatened' me for my blockchain 'crime' of speaking to the 'wrong' people before going on a downvote rampage out of the blue. One post fully zeroed out. If this continues, I will likely not be on here long either, this is just not worth the waste of time and effort and stolen follower vote power; and so many of my friends are leaving anyway, because this type of abuse has been going on, though not to this extreme, for many months now, and there are few bullies who make it their job to 'punish' content they don't like. We (who post independent politically incorrect views and happen to be on their radar) are very much used to it. But to 'punish' simply for conversing with someone, and sharing sympathy for their being targeted, is absolutely over the top, and wiping out rewards from all active posts at that, not just one! It's not fair to our followings to have their upvotes nullified by this oppressive tyranny, and it is clear this blockchain is not a welcome chamber for free speech.

I would debate people over differences of opinion, I welcome it, and care less about what all they might call me, but that rarely happens with these types, few are the down-voters willing to engage in conversation or debate with those they downvote, or even leave comments telling you why they downvoted you. But how can you respond to faceless bullying that seemingly has no rhyme, reason, or purpose? Other than to satisfy what clearly appears to be vengeful, vindictive, childish, cowardly sense of ownership over this blockchain that really should be shared by us all, not controlled by a few control freaks. The powers that be have done nothing to reign in such insane abuse of power, and I cannot in such a state as this recommend people join this broken blockchain. I will stay as long as I can bear it, but this is really over the top insanity, and sad the powers that be let it fly.

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If abuse is allowed to zero out rewards for the redfish, same thing.
I'll take the non-abuse solution.

The original white paper describes what is happening here, in truth the crab bucket is failing the trending page.
No post should go over 100htu, imo.
Not without some flags on it, anyway.

If the account was putting out daily original content we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The hive will never be for everybody.

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I'm really sorry to hear this Phil. I know that you have been around for quite some time...

What happened to cause this?!

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https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@phusionphil/re-lucylin-2021916t18657541z

Asparagus is a code word we use for autism, seeing as we have a social disability, this kind of humor is very common amongst autistic people.

If he thought that was spam, that's fair... But my posts this week were fairly in depth and had a lot of my own opinion.

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Seriously... Full downvotes for a differing opinion?

Does anyone see and care about this?

It's getting a little messed up when this level of short term thinking is at play.

It's only detrimental to everyone on this blockchain.

Just because you have a nuke doesn't mean that you should go ahead and use it.

This is what I have been talking about... for months now!

Having a DV system like this hands every man woman and child a red button... that is connected to an explosive device (metaphorically speaking) called Down Vote Power.

Now normally one would reserve this level of "protection" for self defense or bluffing... but you really know that the social environment has degraded when the ones sitting on the most TNT are busy pushing their button all over the place... and thinking it's not going to lay waste to the social environment we are all striving to improve and bring new people to.

I mean seriously...?

Do we want new people to walk into a garden of eden... or do we want them to walk into the waste lands of the 3rd world war?

This is just getting ridiculous and there isn't exactly a fallout shelter now is there...

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I was talking very highly of this place and attracted a indie game developer who is now waiting to see what happens to my account as a case study before he launches his game.

Stuff like this could easily happen to a new game that doesn't have many supporters if it's targeted by a whale.

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Hi @antisocialist,

My response to you invitation and to your statements is as follows:

When people signed up (and when new people sign up into the future) they sign(ed) up for a Hive account. They did not sign up to jump through hoops and build consensus outside the blockchain. That was never the vision and can not be considered the best way to evolve peoples Hive experience.

These sorts of things need to be handled on chain and if they can not then this is yet another sign that this aspect of the procedure needs to be reworked.

As more and more people onboard this is only going to get more and more apparent.

Also... I would be amiss to not also bring up more.

I believe that this method of off-chaining issues that happen on-chain also sets up the game for all sorts of abuse (of a different nature than the spam and plagiarism everyone is worried about) as their is no level of consequence or accountability in the courts of discord for those administering it.

And so I say in response, "Beware of this approach to Hive integrity."

We need to focus on further evolving the DPOS governance model.

THAT is exactly what it is that people are signing up for when they join us here on Hive... otherwise they would settle for keeping their perfectly good Bitcoin invested squarely in POW and POS systems.

You see... The problem with governance off chain is that it allows egos and arrogance to grow and overflow onto the blockchain.

We can be doing all the right things but in the wrong ways... and it still ends up being a huge mess that the community is going to have to clean up later on.

This methodology, I believe, is also doing a lot more than we bargained for... It's directly effecting the marketability of the Hive Blockchain and adjusting the price of the Hive Token downwards with every response.

And if we are not careful this could result in more people are actively migrating off the chain than are arriving. If that were to happen, it's going to get pretty echoy here if we are not careful!

Big picture...

We need a Hive where business owners can feel confident to build out their business's.

We need a Hive where investors can feel confident enough to park their money.

That's not going to happen if we allow heavy handed approaches.

Zero Out's brands us in some very bad way's.

The people of Hive deserve a friendlier Hive Blockchain.

I really hope that what I'm saying acts as a wake up call for you and many others.

Sincerely,

@wil.metcalfe

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They did not sign up to jump through hoops and build consensus outside the blockchain.

Yes, that would be nice, but it isn't what we find ourselves confronted with.

That was never the vision and can not be considered the best way to evolve peoples Hive experience.

The standard is: original content.
Not repeated original content.
Not copy/pasta.
Original content each and every time.

Should this be the standard?
You'd have to ask where they build the consensuses.
It was worse when you had to kyc for slack to get any attention.
I understand some of the 'more reputable' accounts were quite disrespectful of others in there, so many defectors are to be found, if you care to look.

I'd say that the slack no longer rules the consensus, now it is found in the discords.
As far as 'the community' goes, anyways, and not just the controlling interests of hive power.
They still do things privately to some extent.

I believe that this method of off-chaining issues that happen on-chain also sets up the game for all sorts of abuse (of a different nature than the spam and plagiarism everyone is worried about) as their is no level of consequence or accountability in the courts of discord for those administering it.

What would you like?
Men with badges and saturnalia robes?
Would that give you more confidence in what we are doing there?

Web 3.0 is the new wild west, nobody wants to kyc.
On hive you don't have to, your account suffices to take any reputational hits.

The discords are open, afaik you can scroll all the way back.
You can lurk and see exactly what is happening.
Many misperceptions would be avoided using this simple trick, but nope.
The people you do see commenting in those servers have crossed a barrier in the pursuit of an abuse free pool.
Not everybody is prepared to do that, but somebody has to be an adult in the room, eh?

We need a Hive where business owners can feel confident to build out their business's.

There is nothing wrong with the coin.
3sec confirmations, immutable in 10sec, 0 transaction fees, liquid stable coin traded on an internal dex, can be earned in relatively large amounts by creating original content, ties to multiple external dex's and defi options, soon™ @klye will give us secured loans.
Blogging rewards will be a small part of the hive once he does that and the defi aspects really begin to kick in, iyam.
Any serious business owner can be confident those aspects of the hive will persist.
Not so with the reward pool, many salivating at its elimination.

There is a crowd of people here, please them and you will grow hive rich, displease them and find out what proof of stake mining of hive is currently coded to be, a crab bucket.

Either you hang out with us flaggots, or you get no say in the consensus.
You could build your own group, but so far, that has not successfully displaced what we currently have, despite many attempts.
Tptb are also, largely, diamond hands, so this consensus is likely to stand until a wedge issue comes up to break it.

I really hope that what I'm saying acts as a wake up call for you and many others.

Ditto.

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Ah man... your missing so many points this time around my friend. I’m actually on the mend from a week of COVID... and to be honest. I don’t have the energy to sit down, rectify, and explain my self over and over again on these points.

Let’s put it this way...

We aren’t talking about the potential of the Hive blockchains technology. I sold a lot of stock, my fitness studio and equipment, and invested some of my personal savings because I believed in that...

But here’s the problem I see...

There’s too many people set on keeping things that are clearly broken the same. This isn’t the time for this level of closed mindedness. It’s the time to innovate the future of HOW we human.

If we kept things the same we would all be living in mud huts and nothing would improve so evolving is an imperative and a community of people with that mindset will be an open and listening one rather than an explaining why things are one.

I am actually thinking (and the is only the second time now.) of pausing all my BUIDL projects around fitness... powering down... and moving my attention over to 100% @comet.ranker. That means no more @beachready. No more @adventureready. I have all but lost confidence in the ability for this place to create the stability needed to support business investment... or at least what it’s going to take. A business dies in an unhealthy social environment. Ideas die in these sorts of environments.

This has got to be a place that not only attracts new people but retains them and inspires them to evolve themselves and tell their friends, family, and famous.

And right now... I just feel like we are sooooooo far away from the solid ground we would need to do the sorts of things I have in mind for my fitness business’s to thrive.

So yeah... if I’m thinking this way after 4 years of really trying with my time, skill, and capital... how many other people are feeling this way? How many people have already left because of thinking like this?

It’s not looking good... and so regrettably...

I am actually considering moving those projects back off chain.

That’s a shame really... after all the effort and time that’s gone into them...

But I can see that there are some much much larger problems on the blockchain that I need to be dedicating 100% of my time and effort to.

So that’s actually where I’m at.

That’s actually what’s on my mind.

The point of this is really to suss out if this is the sort of friendly social environment where a fitness business can succeed and thrive...

And honestly man... I’m getting a little sick of picking up the broken glass.

So yeah... I’m feeling a little frustrated that your not really listening to hear and understand me... your just busy explaining and justifying why things need to stay exactly as is.

Man!

I thought we were better than this...

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So yeah... there you have it. The inner workings of what’s going on in this fitness Entrepreneur’s mind.

I didn’t get into business so that I could get in line and do what everyone else wanted me to do... man! I got in business because it was the chance of a lifetime to finally get the chance to do what I wanted to do for a change... and help a lot of people in the mean time.

If I wanted to fall in line I sure wouldn’t have found my way here and I sure wouldn’t have launched my fitness business’s.

No... this has got to be a place where people actually feel like they can win.

And how things are going... that doesn’t seem to be the case. And if we don’t want a marginalized Hive... we had better realize this soon before it’s to late.

And if you don’t think there are other technology greats in the space with their eye on the prize... our prize! Then you are mistaken.

The longer we collectively take to figure this out and innovate passed it... the easier it will be for those lesser projects to over take us.

It seems to me anyhow... that Hive is not really ready for what it would take to establish a social environment conducive to the scaling that this level of success would require.

This isn’t about technological advancement... this is about the minds... the social fabric that brings all that together and gives it a point of being.

If people don’t think that they can come here and build out THEIR ideas and THEIR dreams... why will they come? With the promise that they will get filthy rich... so long as they fall in line?

Forget it!

There’s so many other projects out there that have exactly that mindset and those projects will all fail... it’s just a matter of time.

But in the end... I’m a Hive owner along with the best of them... and so I think, for me anyways, I have decided it.

Everything needs to shift to @Comet.Ranker.

Hive is not actually ready to support business in the way that it would need to for them to risk it and thrive.

One things sure... you have helped me decide what I must do.

It’s pretty apparent.

So thank you in the end for this.

I have a whole new clarity thanks to you.

I’m a bit sad though... it’s not easy to make a decision like this one...

And maybe one day I will be able to retrace my steps and start over.

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What part of 'original content' is giving you a hard time?
Can you show me on the doll where the flags touched you?

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LoL! Do you guys all need to talk so disrespectfully? I’m not at all alright with this adult/kid reference thing going on throughout each and every one of you (and your crews) threads. I find it insulting and even a bit disturbing. It really says more about you (all) and the positional level in which you guys are attempting to frame things.

So your picking one thing that, coincidentally, you said and thinking that I have a problem with “original” content? And then you bring up kyc as if it was something I was even talking about? WTF?

None of this is the intended point of anything I have said. I am someone that prides myself in original authentic work... so this is a none issue for me. What matters, for the one billionth time, is HOW these measures are implemented. This is what needs to evolve and change.

How we do things matters just as much as what we are doing. That’s the point.

And if... these rightful actions are taken in the wrong way and with an implicit or explicit intent that’s not friendly... it ends up doing far more harm than good.

You know...

In the past you and I have seen eye to eye and had some pretty decent conversations...

I can’t say that this is one of those...

It’s because there is something that afflicts this group... and it goes from the top all the way to the bottom... it’s that people in this group of yours don’t have a habit of listening to understand... you guys listen to speak.

Already this is a bad starting place for dealing with any indiscretions or dispencsing any sort of right action on the blockchain...

It does little to generate trust... and it does a lot to charge the social environment.

I’m wondering if you hear me?

I certainly hope so... as this will be my last comment with you about this subject.

I think I made myself pretty clear in every communication above...

Please do me a favour if you would... would you please give things another read in the morning and see if even some of what I’ve said makes even the slightest sense...?

Alright...

I think that this has gone on quite enough.

I’ll talk to you later.

Sound like a plan?

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Ok, what do you suggest?

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Read back through my comments. What I am suggesting is a way to democratize the DV through the utilization of DPOS at the base layer.

If this is part of being a Hive owner (freedom & responsibility right?) then we have now given ourselves another use factor for our DPOS and we have systematized (and branded) the process of controlling for abuse into a tight and efficient process.

No longer would people be working for HiveWatchers they would be working for the Hive Blockchain and that would align behaviour and implementation as such.

A flag would broadcast and serve as a warning to the person who is in breach and this would build time into the equation so that we don’t create a blindside and zero out without consensus culture.

Not only does this effectively deal with the problem (defusing a lot of the potential charge as it is a community decision now) it also would spread the load of integrity out further bringing together the community rather than driving it apart.

This is a solution that scales while also not destroying and undermining the hard and difficult task of marketing (and keeping marketable) the Hive Blockchain to the masses.

If you would like to read more about what I’m thinking here you can check out my thoughts in the comments section of one of @theycallmedan’s posts (posted a couple months ago) where I (and others) detail a plan for how the DV could work. 👇
https://ecency.com/hive/@theycallmedan/a-bit-of-a-rant

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please consider reviewing your witness votes

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I have been reviewing my witness votes recently. Thank you for your suggestion here.

Question. What’s the reason for removing this particular vote? I don’t know much about this particular one. (Another reason why I have been taking time to do my due diligence.)

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Figured out why and removed all my witness votes from pharesim.

I want witness's that have their loyalties to all of Hive... not just the big centralized players who are attempting to further centralize and group think Hive with their downvotes.

It's time to shake up the witness votes... and I'll continue to do my due diligence while also powering down most of my accounts.

Thanks for the heads up! 👍

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You like that! 😂

Freedom on the blockchain isn’t free.

It’s been on going but may be coming to a bit of a head presently.

https://ecency.com/hive-engine/@trostparadox/although-subjectively-downvoting-posts-to-zero-is-anathema-to-me-the-layer-1-ability-to-do-so-must-remain-for-now-at-least

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Once Az is on it, it's pretty much final.

It's only final if larger accounts tell him otherwise (being of the authoritarian mindset, he will cower to larger stakeholders wishes...it's what they do).

That , of course, is entirely dependent on how closely they work together or even part of of the same group, in the first place...

Cartel-esque operations are frowned upon, on every continent.

Cartel definition:
A cartel occurs when two or more firms (accounts) enter into agreements to restrict the supply or fix the price of a good in a particular industry.(downvoting is one form of this - there are also others at work in this ecosytem).
A cartel is a type of collusion.
Cartels are considered to be against the public interest.

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i recall a comment on one of your posts saying it was plagarised. Did you address that?

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In March. Never solved. Everything is already there. Different story here. @regenerette #6111 discord

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Well, it's not necessarily a different story if you got out on a blacklist or a downvote trail, and didn't appeal succesfully in Discord, then you would likely still be on those lists/trails.

i don't use Discord as they are part of the #massmurdermachine imo. so not looking into it, just offering suggestion

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