Merry Christmas From Rising Star!
Merry Christmas to all our amazing rising stars!
We hope you have a great day if you celebrate Christmas tomorrow even if it is a bit of a strange one this year.
We have lots of fantastic new updates coming in January and look forward to seeing what you think of them.
Thanks as always for all of you supporting our little game and making it a big success. YOU ROCK!!
Cheers,
Jux and the Rising Star team.
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Wishing you a great one too. Hope 2021 will be a better year generally. Rising Star could be massive!
Rock on!
Merry Christmas. Don't forget to spend some time with family.
Merry Christmas to all our amazing rising stars!
!BEER
Rising Star and Radio Evolved have been little diamonds sparkling in the sea of s... er. rubbish that has made up big chunks of this year. Thanks to you and the team for doing what you do - I really appreciate it.
Have a great Xmas, and here’s to a successful New Year for you all!
Happy Holidays, guys!! Love all of you & your amazing community! Your Sunday shows are epic as well.
Cannot wait to see what 2021 brings for Rising Star. Have a wonderful Christmas!! ❤️ 💚
I wish you a Merry Christmas too. Thanks for your great work on Risingstargame. I'm already looking forward to next year.
Merry Christmas and thank you for creating such an amazing and addictive game. Can not wait for the updates to come.
Eager for 2021, but first acknowledge all those amazing stuff achieved (within the crazy year we all had). To be honest I was not expecting #HIVEGames could be expanding so greatly. Lot's of games, continuous progress, and the proof of all that, is continuous more users playing #HIVE games.
@risingstargame, the other day I mentioned hitting the 400 active players. I have used the ranking numbers https://www.risingstargame.com/main.asp?tab=rankings but then I realized if that list would not be capped? Is there another way to tell how many users are playing the game? Cheers (no rush on the answer).
Happy Christmas!
The ranking page is not currently capped. It lists everyone who has done at least one mission in the last 7 days. Very close to 400!
!BEER
Awesome! =)
Back from Christmas break - Merry Christmas to you and the team :-)
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Rising Star game made this year much better than it could be :)
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I wish you a great belated XMAS and a cool 2021, but with a little pain in my heart. Since a few days we see tones of idiot messages enter the HIVE chain since you put something into your game. These are useful messages? "I just earned some Starbits playing 'Rising Star' on Hive" Really? And not that these messages keep zero rewards, noooo they get rewards... anything more than 1ct is already too much! We already had too many players posting blahblahblah about their game results or a new card pack they received or bought. Why are you driving the pollution of the HIVE chain and by that drive serious bloggers away from HIVE (since that's gonna be the result, mark my words!).
Thank you for the feedback. As with the tweet button that is used by many websites we were just providing the facility for people to use dBuzz as it is intended to be used in a similar way. I will tag @chrisrice as it is his project and I know that he has been in conversations about this issue and that is the reason there is a "maximum reward" option is there.
We are happy to work with the community to provide the best solution and this was just the first step of implementing it and we will make whatever changes are needed to make it work.
I have now removed the pre-filled text so people can write something useful rather than just using the default.
Thanks and Happy New Year,
Jux.
I replied above @risingstargame, please tag me and also DM via Discord of any and all complaints..
So that I can address each one, publicly and openly.
And Happy New Year 2021 🥳🎈🎉🎊
hey hello @chrisrice.... I just posted a comment in response to the game account... I copy here below...
Twitter is cool for promotional purposes of the game. But using HIVE as a Twitter like outled while HIVE is spammed and gamed enough already? Remember the whole drama that happened when eg Drugwars was spamming HIVE? Same with DBuzz when it launched?
If we want HIVE to become a SPAM chain and want to PUSH OUT all those who have a Blogging heart (long form, short form: doesn't matter), then we indeed shall drive meaningless posts.
Ummm, cookie-cut-copy posts may be meaningless, but that is not what @risingstargame and @dbuzz had in mind.
I also dont think that is how it will work in practice, minus newbies, who will be corrected by the @dbuzz community.
P.S. This post by @ahmadmanga will provide more context, so long as you read the replies:
Btw, have you logged int https://d.buzz to view the feed there?
But it did happen!
I have nothing against D.Buzz. My message was for risingstargame. For what I understand, Risingstargame uses this D.Buzz to promote the service. Promotion is cool, but one needs to use the right promotion channels and the right promotion setup while staying away from those channels and practices that increases the problems around our own HIVE chain.
At HIVE we need more users. Those users are not onboarded yet. These users can be found anywhere else. Therefore, when these DBuzz messages are for promotion of the game, then dont integrate DBuzz, but integrate Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and whatnot. Learn form the team behind Splinterlands. They promote external HIVE and they land new HIVE users. They provide onboarding tools and services. Great! That is what we need!
In case DBuzz integration with the game serves other wanted purposes, I can think of: 1) notifications, 2) enticing reaction.
In case 1, then thats a no go, build notifications into the game itself, or use notification services, not a post.
In case 2, great, but who will respond to a one liner with some statement about having played the game, or gaming results (even when customised)? Will the game users scroll HIVE to check on the DBuzz posts from others playing the same game? I dont think so. Who else? I can't think of users being interested to respond to a Risingstargame DBuzz to be honest.
In the post you mentioned in your comment, I read a statement about cross-promotion, and a request you made to somebody else. Again, promotion within HIVE? Really? How many active users we have? A handful. They all will know soon enough the existence of some new dApp, social network, game, or whatever. Really no need at all to promote in post form manner. The dApp team shall promote in whatever form, and there will be enough HIVE users writting posts about a dApp they like, or use. I've seen soooo many for the RisingStarGame already. DBuzz's are totally unnessary for the purpose of promotion within the HIVE community.
Yah, read post and comments. As mentioned already, I have no issues with D.Buzz (would've loved to see all rewards for social networks in second layer, and different types of services using their own tokens and rewards pools, but that aside). The issue is with the RisingStargame: 1. the use case for D.Buzz (promotion within the HIVE community is not needed in this form at all) and 2. the effects: spam. And 3. another drama in developent. We had and have enough of them already.
Okay, just read your comment @edje and I am happy that you are voicing your ideas.
The Buzz widget is intended to replace, or maybe even compliment Twitter's Tweet button:
https://hive.blog/hive-139531/@dbuzz/embed-and-buzz-directly-from-any-web-page-meet-the-embed-buzz-button
And I am in the middle of helping a bussiness associate & friend setup a Startup Incubator & Marketing Facility w/40 computers setup:
https://hive.blog/dbuzz/@dbuzz/tuesday-development-updates-or-pulling-back-the-veil-of-what-s-in-store
It might take longer than expected, but we plan on on using the facility for an in-house marketing team.. I will live on-site, and we will market @dbuzz across Web 2.0 platforms..
And that's what I meant by Cross-Promoting 👍
I fail to see how my statements around the NO need for promting HIVE dApps within the HIVE community by means of DBuzz or any other ppst directly from the dApp itself is addressed by DBuzz.
And that is in fact what I have against this (see my statement above). Search hivesearcher for risingstargame and you'll see how many posts are alrewady made as normal posts. These all are promotions by itself. Also search for other HIVE based dApps in the same search engine and you'll start understanding what I mean.
Thats super! I suggest (if not done already) to check with the splinterland team, they seem to have a lot of experience already in onboarding new users. You both may work together?
And I agree that promoting externally is important, but You do realize that #Splinterlands owes much of it's success to marketing inwardly within the #HIVE community (IMO) BEFORE and during their external marketing activies.. right?
External marketing is important ✔️ @edje
BUT I disagree with your belief that internal marketing, within the #HIVE community is worthless (get the low hanging fruit first).
We are a Top #20 Dapp worldwide (at least right now) across all blockchains (not just #HIVE) thanks to marketing within the #HIVE community 1st.
Many in #HIVE still don't know much about @dbuzz and You might fit in that category (knowingly or unknowingly).
IN case Aggroed advised you to let dApps spam the HIVE chain under the statements: Its marketing the way it shall be done? Then he is wrong.
Now you making statements based on assumptions.
Check the stats for daily users of @dbuzz before & after @risingstargame integrated the Buzz widget.
The term is: Network Effect https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/network-effect.asp
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You fail to see how many no value posts are now entering the HIVE chain. This morning I've seen a few Risingstargame Dbuzz posts with again the default message by the game owners, this message to provide quality content. Users seem to just press the send button without adding any value. You fail to see what happens now with Risingstargame, will increase a lot when more dApp owners integrate DBuzz in similar ways.
As metioned before, I have nothing against DBuzz. When users add value to the community, the content consumers, its a perfect solution for HIVE.
I believe the solution is for @chrisrice and the team to have a default message as part of the widget and for it to not allow posting if it is not changed.
Are players incentivised in one or the other way to post a D.Buzz?
When they Buzz to @dbuzz, users like me will (and have) replied to them invite them to Buzz more often on @dbuzz 🙂👍
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This was a question for Risingstargame. In case Risingstargame gives incentives for DBuzzing from the game (eg getting starbits, getting a mission done or whatever), a circle of abuse is build with rewards for every step in the circle. Therefore, I really really hope, Risingstargame is not giving direct or indirect incentives for a DBuzz from the game itself.
No we do not give any incentive other than they may get an upvote if we think the Buzz is good enough.
ok thanks for the explaination.
Thank you for explaning @risingstargame and for the record @edje
So we will not be curating Buzz's sent from the @risingstargame Dapp unless it has an original & unique caption 👍
CC: @iamraincrystal
Ahh yeah, if it's not changed and it should probably be a certain length @risingstargame.
That is better than having the text delete itself 😀✌️✔️
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So you see yourselves... I deliberately not show the users, since I can't really blame the users at this stage. What you give them, they will use. The easier it is to make (some) money, they'll go for it. DBuzz upvotes several of these comments. Either through autovote (why only a few, and not all?), or manual ones (if so, why?)
We don't autovote anything, everything is manually curated but you brought up a good point @edje . . thank you 🙂✌️
-> Please don't upvote shares from @risingstargame if the caption hasn't been changed @iamraincrystal, and try to use comedy to let them know they didn't Read the Caption before Buzzing 👍
Again, this is Live and a Buzz embed button has never been done on #HIVE, so we are learning as we go.
If you see any other things you dislike, please let me know 😎👍
Interesting that curators needs to be told what curation means. I really hope you'll get things in order. In a decentralised world we need to have respect for what we use. A dApp owner, creator shall not only be careful launching new services and features in an existing community and around existing technology, but shall also monitor the effects of changes and act upon immediatelty when unwanted behaviour is driven. It should not be the community pointing these out to the dApp team.
Umm, I disagree with your belief that the community shouldn't be the one's to give feedback to DApp owners.
Feedback is one of the most important things, a DApp, Business or Project can receive and listen to, and YES it helps, and YES the community can and probably should give feedback.
Having said that, after looking at the screenshot you shared, it looks like @dbuzz didn't curate those Buzz's @edje.
You shall check the voters, in some of them DBuzz is a voter.
Ah okay . .
I'm still working at resolving all this but hope to see it fixed in 2 - 3 days or less.
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I also want to challenge you to visit:
We are doing good work and we focus on discussions.
@risingstargame is a discussion starter, especially if it has a good caption 👍
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Twitter is cool for promotional purposes of the game. But using HIVE as a Twitter like outled while HIVE is spammed and gamed enough already? Remember the whole drama that happened when eg Drugwars was spamming HIVE? Same with DBuzz when it launched?
If we want HIVE to become a SPAM chain and want to PUSH OUT all those who have a Blogging heart (long form, short form: doesn't matter), then we indeed shall drive meaningless posts.
Hi @edge,
Thank you for bringing up your concerns, I am w/ @dbuzz and I handle most of the complaints, feedback & constructive criticism.
Ideally, what we'd want, is users on @risingstargame to say what they are doing each time they Buzz from their Dapp, or at least have a unique caption when they Buzz.
BUT, keep in mind, we are doing things that have never been done before so there is a certain amount of trial and error.
Your main complaint seems to be that users are earning from their @risingstargame Buzz's.
Your second complaint is likely that you see it, more than once, and that you don't want to see these Buzz's, hence the word "Pollution" and you are probably viewing the Buzz's @peakd, @hiveblog or @ecency.
-> To address #1, I will task the developer of the Buzz embed widget with creating an option for website and Dapp owners to send the author rewards of Buzz's sent from their projects to @null, that is, if they don't think the Buzz would result in quality original content.. this will solve #1 and the release date is targeted for January 2021.
-> To address #2, I just tasked our Lead Dev with writing the code for #HiveBlog, where users will be able to flip a switch that switches between Long-form content, Short-form content (280 characters or less, or BOTH.
The default for @hiveblog (owned by @blocktrades), @ecency & @peakd is that their users view both, by force, and they cannot opt-out of viewing short-form content.
We asked them to write the code, but this is crypto/blockchain, and everyone is busy.. it will get done now, and ASAP (first thing we will do in 2021, starting now).
Who have you communicated with and when and where?
I asked @asgarth to do this more than once in 2020 & I don't think he has . . sometimes he doesn't reply so I assume he's busy
I have reached out to @blocktrades about multiple things like this via tag & DM but usually don't get replied to->busy
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Before implementing a change we prefer to evaluate if it is going to improve the experience for our users or not.
Actually I don't remind a single peakd user asking for this, and we prefer to do this sort of changes only when our users request them.
Also this filter is not available in the standard Hive API, so it will need a custom implementation that I'm not sure is worth it at the moment. But maybe you can share some stats about dbuzz so we have a better understanding of how many daily users are on the platform and how many short-form posts you are publishing per day.
If the (daily) numbers are the ones I can see on hivedapps.com it's not worth the effort at the moment:
It's just too time consuming for the amount of post that will be hidden with this option.
cc @jarvie
Hi @asgarth, and thank you for replying.
I am interested in having our Dev, @coffeebender write the actual code so that you don't have to worry about it (sent to the Hive.Blog repo).
It shouldn't hide any posts, as both short-form and long-form posts can be the default on @peakd, but users could then flip to either or if they wanted to, instead of seeing both at the same time.
The stats you screenshotted is correct @asgarth and I understand that you don't think it's worth your time right now, can you quote a number when it would be?
P.S. Thank you @jarvie and thank you @asgarth, we will continue creating value to the best of our ability.
It's not about the number of users/posts, but how many PeakD users see value in filtering those (short) posts.
If we get enough requests and interest for this we'll add the filter. But I would like to see your preferred approach to implement this on hive.blog.
Ping me if you create a PR with the change ;)
Ah okay, thanks so much @asgarth, we will 😊👍
If there is anyone I should contact, that I haven't contacted, please let me know @jarvie
Part of the issue is that @dbuzz is still somewhat new, and has't broken into the Top 5 Hive Dapps yet
So some of our ideas, requests, etc. may get ignored->OR people are busy 🙂👍
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Are you in on the the mattermost developer conversations?
I'm not a developer in particular and I have likely missed posts but I often see your posts saying you asked someone but have never seen a sort of road map showing some sort of proposal on how everyone can work together on a decentralized option/protocol. Let me know if it is anywhere. Also the matter most chat seems to be the place for developers to discuss this sort of thing.
I see a lot of call outs here on messages but haven't seen action where action seems to happen. But I'm not a developer so maybe you have been DMing them?
Maybe even a post over in Hive improvement community can start some conversation. What is it that you are looking for. Like if there was a point by point wish list. I'm seen a lot of random posts the last few months but if someone were to ask me I really have no clue what it is you're wanting to happen.
Aka ... go to where the action is don't expect them to come to you just by dozens of mentions all the time. And establish a relationship of working together and helping others and why your project is gonna be awesome for Hive.
For example there could be a few parties in on the conversation of what some call micro-blogging.
PeakD will be doing it some day.
Leo.finance is getting there (sadly from my perspective they might not have a tendency to coordinate on anything with others)
I assume some other platforms also are interested in micro blogging but have questions about how to handle the reward aspect and what the greater economic community thinks is a good solution with rewards.
Then its helpful to get the people providing the backend api support in on the conversation involved since they are helping to make this all possible as well... maybe they can help make it easier.
Are we all going to develop separate methods and have to support eachothers diverse protocols or work together on something decentralized?
I mean I'm just spitballing here because I really have no idea what we really are looking and what is going on... hopefully I'm close to something. I'll ask @asgarth for perhaps a better interpretation of what you have been asking about
Your comment is not entirely clear @jarvie at least to me, but some of the things you say I should be doing, I have been doing, and it's been working.
But we'll find ways, and like I said elsewhere, the worst case scenario is, we fork #HiveBlog with a brandable domain and add the Short-form / Long-form solution ourselves.
I would rather keep all of our Dev resources in https://d.buzz 🙂👍
Umm, I think I was clear.
I'd like frontends like #HiveBlog, #Ecency & #PeakD to have a switch so their users could flip between:
And I don't see why I would need to join a "MatterMost" chat when I could DM them, or write it in their Suggested Features channel on Discord.
( It might also be good to change the group chat from "MatterMost" to something more grounded )
K if you've got it covered and your method is working go for it... but the conversation happening in soooo many different post comments and apparently DMs. Its just so all over the place
Does that make sense? @jarvie
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How is "short form" defined on a post? Is it in the post metadata? If so then we would need the hivemind database to be developed with that and for the nodes to support it. Right?
So from what i understand you'd need to work on the hivemind database or get one of the developers to help do that so that all the node operators that pull from their version of the hivemind database will also do it. This is why being on developer chat would be helpful because then you could state the case for why it will be helpful to put their time and resources toward this... (And may i add I would support this case) but if you can get it into the hivemind database then i assume peakd would likely add it easily.
But I guess let me know if this isn't what you're thinking of. Or if it is being indicated a different way.
cc @asgarth
Ahh, hmm, yeah, I'm not a Dev so I didn't think about it that deep but it sounds like you have good info and are a few steps ahead of me.
Making a change to #HIVEmind might be better @jarvie thanks for all your help, and sorry if I didn't understand.
P.S. Short-form = 280 characters or less... can you join our Discord so I can connect you to our Devs?
Just remove the ability for Games to Buzz about whatever they do. Use Twitter or whatever, but dont SPAM HIVE. In another comment I already mentioned a few attempts to SPAM the chain by other projects...
When the entire community (including the core devs etc) decide for HIVE to become a SPAM chain, then I'm fine with everything. But I'll be gone forever, and it's very likely many like I will be gone as well. HIVE will stop being the home for a blogger (long or short form: doesn't matter).
Umm, blogging is not short-form, it's long-form, so it does matter.
My more elaborative response can be found here: https://hive.blog/hive-195370/@edje/re-chrisrice-202111t205950598z
It consists of more words but to summarize it, you want @risingstargame to use the Tweet button.
And I plan on adding a feature for seamless cross-posting to the Top 5 Web 2.0 Social Media sites.
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Both are ok with me, but then disable the possibility for dApps embedding the Widget to let their user push idiot and useless messages to the HIVE chain. It would be wrong to disrupt entire HIVE, just for you to push some technology through. HIVE will suffer if this RisingStarGame Dbuzz continues and grows even further. And what if other dApps will start to do the same?
To the later point, I expaned my previous comment including that part. I'm very possitive about that feature and service, no doubt about that 😉
Ummm, that's what MUTE buttons are for, and it can be done in 2 clicks, all inside the feed of https://d.buzz
But the cookie-cut & paste that you dislike is now self-correcting.
I.e. The default caption now tells people to Buzz something of high quality & original, from w/in @risingstargame, and the cookie-cut & paste's from newbies, will be corrected.
Let the meme's roll in
Ummm, you want @risingstargame to use Twitter . . . .
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My more elaborative response can be found here: https://hive.blog/hive-195370/@edje/re-chrisrice-202111t205950598z
Thank you for sharing you honest & unfiltered perspective 😀
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Again 🙃 A more elaborative response here: https://hive.blog/hive-195370/@edje/re-chrisrice-202111t221216652z
Now you are spamming 😶
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Seriously? You comment to my comment with a statement you made somewhere else on the chain in response to another comment of mine? Same comment here to which I shall also give my answer. So I comment, but don't want to copy/paste my other comment and I don't see the point in rephrasing that comment since it exactly fits the response I wanted to make to this comment of yours.
Anyway, you can say whatever you think of me, but when you check my blog and comment section, it'll become very obvious that I'm on the total opposite side of someone spamming the chain!
Well, I kind of felt like we were both spamming, maybe not technically..
But both of us commented the same thing too much for my comfort.. not really an issue though.
Just felt it went against some of the things you were saying.. either way, I hope that we can eventually have some sort of positive communication between one another.
That would be nice 🙂👍
Didn't expect that statement to come from you 😲
Well even I can make mistakes @savvyplayer @edje
I thought it was spam since he replied the same link to multiple comments of mine & I did the same
Then, after I did that, he did it again, kind of felt like we were both "spamming" by commenting the same thing over & over
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I didn't say you were wrong. 🤔 I just said I was surprised. 😐 And I did not say you misunderstood me. 😆
Yeah, I'm on the fence as to what the comments @edje and I made should be classified as.
But I felt uncomfortable with our exchange and we pretty much did the same thing.
But maybe labeling it spam was too far? I'm still not sure 🤔
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I think that if the reply is relevant to the topic, even though the same content has already been posted many times, it should not be considered spam. 🤔
Yeah, you could be right.
Maybe we need #Defintions here 👍
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What is #Defintions? 🤔 If your source of supposedly correct definitions is incorrect, then it might become a catastrophe. 🤯😆
Lol 😅🤣😆
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https://twitter.com/ChrisRiceXYZ/status/1344704721932537861