Thoughts On Latest Proposals Regarding Bot & Battle Helpers
Introduction
Three days left to make a vote on updating terms of service to prohibit bot use in tourney and brawls as well as battle helpers in modern ranked, tourneys, and brawls. If you didn't know, there already has been a change for no bots in modern ranked but I guess the community doesn't want to stop there. As you can see from the screenshot below, I am for both proposals and I will explain my thoughts on the proposals below.
Thoughts On Prohibiting Bot Use In Tourneys & Brawls
I am actually okay with this proposal and I can see why over 90% of the current votes are for it as well. Personally, I don't think bots should be used in tourneys & brawls as those are competitive spaces. Just imagine you're joining a chess tournament with an engine that makes the perfect move for every game. That's no fun and there's a reason why it's banned in chess.
As for the brawls, I also think of it as a competitive scene. I kind of think of brawls as an esports team vs 9 other esports teams every brawl. It's no fun if one team has some advantage with the bots. I also don't think it takes that much time to play brawls and with a 48 hour time frame to put in any teams; it's more than enough time. On top of that, you have a choice to skip brawls if you can't play it by not joining a fray so there's really no excuse to need a bot to play brawls.
Thoughts On Prohibiting Battle Helper in Modern Ranked, Tourneys & Brawls
This proposal seems quite close that it's barely passing at 72% at the current time of when I made this post. I can kind of see why there are more people against this. I don't think it would be easy to implement this as it would be a witch hunt to figure out who is using battle helpers. If this was banned, I think people would still ignore the rules or just switch to excel sheets. Either that or people want to use battle helpers to win more and gain the system which is why there is more against. I'm not too sure but these are my thoughts. Feel free to add on below if you know why there are more people against prohibiting battle helpers than bots.
Personally, I never used battle helper. I think I'm a fairly above average player with a lot of experience in battles so I do fairly ok most of the time. I don't think it's fun if people can be suggested some top lineups to play as that ruins the "skill" component of the game. I remember the Splinterlands team has talked about valuing skill and if battle helper is allowed is this really a determinate of skill? I guess if we talk about coding skills to see who can develop the best battle helper then there is a skill but is this what was intended for the game. I think no. I think Splinterlands was designed for actual people to play the game with their own brain and skills. If we had tournaments in real life, would we want to see people using battle helper. That would be a huge turn off in a competitive scene and I think for the community to pass this is actually doing the greater good for the future of Splinterlands.
Concluding Thoughts
Both of these proposals are pretty controversial as it will kind of change the team's stance on being bot neutral but since the community has spoken I think it will be accepted since the game is being built for the community. I think all will be fine since bots and battle helpers will have a place in wild. I would just think of wild as a mode where anything goes. Do your best to make the best bot or battle helper. At least there's still a place for them and it really holds to what Yabapmatt envisioned for the game which is to have a defi game that coexists with bots. Let's see if they will stop here but I will be shocked if wild ranked prohibit bots & battle helpers end up on future proposals. That would be a jaw-dropper. Anyways, let's see how it goes. In the end, we all want the best for Splinterlands and that's why the team and community are so passionate about Splinterlands! Let's go Splinterlands!
Thank You
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I am against both not because I want to see battle helpers and bots being used but because they can't be enforced, especially the battle helpers and how they were defined. If it passes, technically, even a streamer taking input from viewers is considered external help. Your brother/friend/wife/kid watching you play and giving you any input is external help.
I find it funny that the anti bot and anti battle helper sentiment only skyrocketed when regular players got access to them. When it was just huge bot farms using bots, the community didn't seem as worried. And no one talked about battle helpers, even though there have been private ones for a long time. I have no doubt that these private bot and Battle helper owners have contributed to this increased sentiment, on order to have the monopoly in the advantages.
wow you're against both? So you think it's ok for these bots to auto enter themselves in brawls and tournaments and place almost the best teams? I don't play in tournaments because of bukbe bot. To be honest, I think many people dont play tournaments because of these bots and there's definitely people that have farmed from tournaments with bots long enough.
I understand it's hard to be enforced but they have to be willing to try if you want a competitive game with real players. if not this game would be like chess with each person being able to use chess engine to make moves or see the possible best plays. I don't think many people would be interested in watching chess anymore if this was the case or let alone play it. To be honest, i'd be down for them to remove tournaments and have only in real life tournaments with prizing and you'd have to be their in real life and enter :D. Everyone can be monitored if they are using bot or battel helper this way at least for tournaments. The problem is we can't get new players in O.O and there's more to this than just bot issue but if we have the players im sure organizing these tournaments all over the world would be no issue :3. I guess if we just want a game with everyone using bots and battle helpers then that's fine but do u really want that o.o.
Yes it skyrocketed because it was more accessible to everybody. It took away the fun of the game. I used to play manually on multiple accounts and enjoyed the game but i pretty much turned to botting since botting can play better and save my time. I don't see how that is funny. From what I seen a lot of people enjoy playing manually in modern now so thats a + and looking at the reward pools from modern and wild we can see that bots have been really taking a lot away from the reward pool.
But looking by the votes we see that the community wants to see things changed and I think that's great since the community is the reason this game is barely holding on.
Define "ok" in this context. Currently it's certainly ok because it's not against the rules. Would I prefer if there were no bots in those? Yes, for sure. I would also prefer the government of my country to not be very corrupt. There's nothing I can do about that other than not vote for the same people, which I already do.
I'm voting against both because they can't be enforced and it only stops the public ones.
It skyrocketed because it was more accessible to everyone but the regular players don't have as many accounts as all the bot farms together. That means the public bot accounts are less than the private bot accounts. Somehow, it became a problem now but it wasn't when there were so many more bot accounts extracting more value in bronze than anyone can extract now in champion? My biggest issue with all this is not even the impossible enforcing but the hidden interests of people with private bots and battle helpers to take away the tools that allowed a leveling of the playing field. When all these proposals pass and enough time passes for those people to prepare everything for their bots and battle helpers comeback, we're gonna have a worse game for regular folks and we won't even know we're playing against bots and battle helpers. Even if we suspect it, it will be too late because, to reverse these decisions, we need 66% and those whales will easily hold enough votes against.
About the in person tournaments, they are not gonna happen. I wouldn't be interested in those unless it was very big prizes. Even 100x current prizes would not be enough for me. There are also not enough players to do this. It's cool to do in splinterfest which happens once a year or less but how would I go play in a tournament in my own town? I don't even know if anyone else plays here.
O.O you are free to vote what you want . i have nothing against u voting for against just good luck trying to pull more people in favor of it.
Saying we will have a worse game i think u being too dramatic. There can always be votes to reverse the decision its better to try than to not try at all. There were many changes that people thought would be the end of splinterlands but u know waht we still going and doing better uwu.
In person tournaments could be like splinterfests or hobby/card shops that organize. they can increase the prize pool for real life events. I don't see why we giving out a ton of money to bot farmers and OG alpha/beta cards for most of these tourneys. might as well airdrop the sps to them :)
I don't expect people to vote what's best for them, I've seen so many proposals being voted in a way that hurts the game and these are not different. I really don't have hope anymore.
I'm engaging in the discussion, not to change your mind, but to let you know my reasons. It's not a possibility, it's a fact that if we do get a game where only some people can bot and use battle helpers, we have a worse game. That's because we create an unfair playing field. I can't be sure this will happen but I don't doubt it will. Maybe the time for massive bot farms outside of wild is over. Even if a bot farm has a way to bypass the ban, if someone has 1000 accounts playing it might be too obvious. However, for a private bot to use the interface, just as if it was a human playing or for anyone to use a private battle helper, there is no way to stop this. It's just not possible.
Again, votes to reverse a proposal are almost impossible to happen. You need over 66% to pass. So, a proposal that had that kind of support, is really hard to have at least 33% (likely more) of the original voters to change their opinion. Especially if there were hidden interests behind the votes by whales, that makes it basically impossible.
We had riftwatchers to be priced in DEC fail in a proposal before. then we had it pass recently in a new one. In this case there was a lot that was against it but over time they changed their mind. I don't think it's impossible at all to overturn a decision. You are underestimated our community. You may think there's people voting for their self interested which there are and that's no surprise since it's human nature to be greedy but I think we have a majority that has a conscious voting for what is thought to be the greater good of the game. if it turns out that it isn't we can always change that as long as a majority agree.
That's different. A proposal can fail with 65% voting for and pass next time with 67% voting for. And sure, at the time, it failed with 43% voting in favor and now it passed with 91% voting in favor. However, if it was reversed, passed with 91% at first, trying to reverse with 57% in favor, the reverse would fail.
o.o we will see. theres no history so to say the reverse would fail. I think it would be fine to reverse and that it would pass easily if community wanted to
Great overview, the game dynamics are changing and it makes sense to at least have the rules that using bots to game the system shouldnt be allowed. I'm interested to see how it plays out.
Hey I am interested as well. it looks like its passing and i hope private as well as public 3rd parties can follow the new updates TOS once released :)
I respect your opinion, But I'm also against the bots, I think they have destroyed the reputation of the game. Less benefit, more damage.
o.o so u agree with me i confused haha. cuz u said but
I am against the bots.
o.o i am also against it bro even tho i use them but only in wild ranked
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Hi, I wrote a Peakd Article on the blatant usage of battle helper in the tournament and how battle helper addicts use it to extract the reward at the expense of genuine gamer. Perhaps this will change the view for some people's neutral stance on the battle helper issue.
https://peakd.com/@omg-sp1/unveiling-the-veiled-exposing-the-advantages-xbot-battle-helper-addicts-desperately-conceal