RE: Seeking Reform for SSG-Community Voting Service
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BACKGROUND: The inception of communities is precisely to emphasize the VALUE of the community. It is apparent that some have not fully transitioned to the concept of communities versus tags. Using the tag #silvergoldstackers doesn't mean that the article is posted on the Silver Gold Stackers community frontend, and vice-versa.
but some of the less active members will be able to get involved and receive value from subscribing to @ssg-community.- This is well and good. But where is the incentive for those who post daily about precious metals. Some members do not find it necessary to post from the Silver Gold Stackers community frontend because by using just the tag #silvergoldstackers accords subscribing members the upvote from @ssg-community. And so they seek additional votes (and there is nothing wrong with this. I'd do the same except that my sense of community-spirit prevents me) by posting from other front-ends, specifically LeoFinance. Daily, our Silver Gold Stackers community lose precious metals related articles to the LeoFinance community frontend authored by SGS members that are not documented in our Silver Gold Stackers community. Incidentally, LeoFinance and other communities will consider upvoting only those articles that use their community frontends, and not the tag.
I’m proposing that people who post to the tag with content that is not about precious metals or this community would first have a couple of warnings and then have their ssg-community vote removed, or for repeat offenses even be downvoted.- Downvotes almost always carry with it a very negative effect. Some communities will just block an article from appearing on their feed.
People become members of the Silver Gold Stackers community firstly because of their interest in precious metals. Members of the Silver Gold Stackers community receive the upvotes from @ssg-community not because of their interest in precious metals but because they have delegated Hive Power or paid the equivalent in Hive to @ssg-community for the subscription.
The upvote is given to any article authored by the subscriber. The upvote is no way related to the subject matter of the article or the quality of the content (that is why "shit post" are voted on. And I may add that an @ssg-community upvote on "shit post" articles give a message that the Silver Gold Stackers community condones shit post. by upvoting such articles. I am sure that I am not the only one who thinks that these are certainly the type of articles that calls for downvotes!).
CONSIDERATIONS:
The use of the #silvergoldstackers tag be open to the entire HIVE COMMUNITY. We welcome and encourage anyone to use that tag, just like all other communities #GEMS, #OCD, #LEOFINANCE, #NEOXIAN, etc. Members of the Silver Gold Stackers must always use this tag for any and all of their articles, precious metals related or not. After all... we are a community of persons and not a community of articles. It is in the use of this tag that we learn about each other and the many interests in our lives that we want to share with the community. TAGS are usually unmoderated. @ssg-community does not have to worry about monitoring the use of this tag because it only upvotes subscribing members anyways. Members who paid for the subscription will receive the upvote regardless of content.
I propose an additional upvote be accorded to members who post precious metals articles from the Silver Gold Stackers frontend. This is to maintain the presence of the Silver Gold Stackers community in this blockchain and entice members to use the Silver Gold Stackers frontend. To further encourage members to write daily articles on precious metals using the community frontend (versus rewarding infrequent users), the incentive % upvote increases from article 1 through article7.
If @ssg-community means to use its downvote, I suggest that downvotes be given to members who post shit articles to receive upvotes from the @ssg-commuity, which is clearly an abuse of the bot. @ssg-community
This may necessitate another bot programmed to vote on any article written from the community frontend, unless curation is done manually.
My 2 cents worth.
Thanks for the well considered reply. I think that you and I both want whats best for the broader community but we have some slightly different ideas on how to move forward.
We both seem to agree that we don't want ssg-community voting on "shitposts". It's a bad look for us all and it puts ssg-community at risk.
We both want the #silvergoldstackers tag to be open to the entire HIVE community, regardless of the front end used. This is important if we ever want to get our message out and grow our membership.
My concern over the community feature is that I find it quite limited while the Tag is open and anyone can use it. The community is effectively owned and controlled by appointed (not elected) mods. Mods have considerable control, they can censor content and silence anything or anyone they dont like. If our mods go inactive or dissappear for any reason there is no recourse if control hasn't been passed on. The ssg-community account was originally created because the guy who created the pre-existing bot at some point decided that he "owned" it after it had accumulated about $7K USD of value and we had no recourse, so I am very wary of repeating that kind of mistake. If there was the ability to do on-chain election of mods in the community feature it'd be a different story. This is no slight on our current mods (whom I greatly respect) it's just the way the feature works.
I also think that the members posting via Leo Finance are still contributing valuable and relevant content for SGS so I don't really want to be telling them that they MUST use the front end we want them to.
We can always use extra tags like #sgslife or #ladiesofsgs4eva for members posting non-metal content.
Just two clarifications about the community...
I was elected not appointed.
Though An end date for that would probably be a good idea. 😄
I have admin rights to the community but that doesn’t let me do anything. I can update the blurb about the community and assign the role of member. I can see the activity log. I can also add members to the community. I don’t think I can remove anyone. Only change their role.
But to say this:
... is not correct.
Current accounts with access to do this same stuff. ⬇️
I can also see/edit this page but don’t know if others can.
I mean no disrespect @dfinney - I know there was an election some time ago as I supported you becoming a mod. What I meant is that there is no election mechanism. The "owner" is (I believe) @guiltyparties and the other 3 mods all seem to have stepped away. We very nearly had zero active mods due to your own real life challenges recently, through no fault of your own, so the community could easily have been "lost". Thankfully it hasn't.
I think the communities is the start of a good feature but it is so limited with some central points of failure that I don't think we should put all the SGS eggs in that basket right now.
The communities "feature" on Hive is garbage.
(1)Name the points of failure.
(2) How does the policy changes you have suggested addresses that failure.
The community hive is "owned" and has "mods" so it is dependant on them remaining active and acting in the best interests of the community. We have direct experience of what can happen when an "owner" of a community asset does not act in the community interest. It cost us many thousands of $$ in early 2018.
It does not address the failure. It avoids it by removing the dependency.
It goes without saying that we respect all the freedoms of every individual in our community, @buggedout.
Anyone can do whatever they please, post their precious metals articles wherever they want and what they deem best for their stake and that which will benefit them the most.
And where does that leave the Silver Gold Stackers Community page? Answer: It will be in the current state and situation that you have called for action from us to improve in the first place, will it not?
I am here every day. It is my observation that every SGS member who posts about precious metals already uses the #silvergoldstackers tag. The correct question to ask is: how can SGS encourage members to post in our Silver Gold Stackers community page. Isn't this what we want to accomplish? If not then what is the problem that you want to solve? Has @ssg-community ever done curation, other than put in auto-vote at a max of 7 articles a week those articles written by Silver Gold Stackers members who have subscribed to the @ssg-community service by paying into it by delegation or the equivalent in Hive? Whatever topic a subscriber of @ssg-community writes about and voted on by @ssg-community benefits both @ssg-community and the subscriber, even "shit posts".
Are you saying that posting from the Silver Gold Stackers Community is not critical, and it is sufficient to use the #silvergoldstackers tag?
While we agree on many important points in this discussion, I think that you have totally missed my entire point. Perhaps you have misunderstood the use of the Hive-136819 Silver Gold Stackers community and use of the tag #silvergoldstackers . #silvergoldstackers is NOT the community hive. It is just a tag, just like #sgslife and #ladiesogsgs4eva are just tags.
Check this out, @buggedout: https://hive.blog/created/hive-136819 See that your first article and this article which we are having this exchange right now, does not appear in Silver Gold Stackers Community page.
This one here: https://hive.blog/trending/silvergoldstackers is the unmoderated tag. The #silvergoldstackers tag is what we use for every article we write, precious metals or not. It takes keeps us together in one place. With the #silvergoldstackers, there is no need to use the #ssglife tag. The #ssglife tag came into place before the existence of the COMMUNITIES, and it was to keep the #steemsilvergold feed purely about precious metals... which is exactly what the Silver Gold Stackers Community is all about.
The community page is where we encourage, not a demand, precious metals article to be posted from because this is exactly what the community is about: PRECIOUS METALS!
The concept around community hives is that one may join a community as a guest or as a member of that community. These are some of the communities that SGS members use:
Please know that I fully understand your good intentions and where you are coming from. You have saved SteemSilverGold and readily stepped up to the plate to help us survive that turmoil. Without you, perhaps this community would no longer be here. Many of us who are aware of that are very grateful and will never forget. In this discussion, you and I know that there is no intent to disrespect anyone in our dear community, and at the same time, we do not want to marginalize anyone who may be silent in the background. As for myself, I dare will challenge anyone here to question my dedication, commitment, support, and love for this community. I have deliberately and actively inserted myself into this discussion to ensure that we are objective and balanced in our approach to improving this community. Also, I have to state that may not have the full picture of what is happening in the background because as an ordinary member of this community, I am not preview to anything that goes on within the "Leadership" and MODs of this community. I am personally always grateful and appreciative of their voluntary service to our community and realize that it may be a thankless job.
Thanks for your patience.
@silversaver888 You are no ordinary member! 🤗
As for this:
I am not preview to anything that goes on within the "Leadership" and MODs of this community.
Sure you are. Not much goes on. 😉
But basically:
That is the gist. 😁 We have each have kind of fallen into our own niche for things. So outside of general banter, we will consult one another mostly if we need help or advice.
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Thanks, sis @dfinney!🥰🌺🤙
And @vgholdingsllc does the Membership posts!
I actually agree that ideally we would have members using the community page and front end but I know that if we try and force that with this proposal then it will get even LESS support and will be voted down. That means ZERO reform.
So, I'll take the small improvement and would be happy to help you promote the community page as I still have hope that the community feature will be enhanced eventually to have better governance controls.
Less support from WHOM?
VOTED DOWN by WHO?
By the members. The ssg-community account is an asset owned by the community so I am calling for a vote. If the members don't want these proposed changes then they don't happen.
I agree with @silversaver888, I think the use of an ADDITIONAL upvote would encourage members to post to the"Community" frontend." The #silvergoldstackers tag should continue to be used for all post, plus all non precious metal post with the regular upvote.
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(1)If we are to reward those who post about precious metals with less frequency by accumulating the %upvotes, then we should provide a likewise provide an equal incentive to those who post daily by a graduating % for every successive articles on precious metals posted daily.
(2) Why penalize the majority who are doing their best to post quality precious metals articles for the shit post articles of the few. What must be done is to penalize hard the chit posters, with a downvote that is higher in % than what the @ssg-community auto upvoted the shit post.
(3)Spare those who do good for this community. We all need encouragement from this community.
Thanks, @silvertop 🥰🌺🤙
Thank you my friend, I think to put out a simple post/ a shit post sends a message to everyone that all I want is an upvote.
We all want that upvote, but it's more than that....The people that I have met here, from around the world make staying up late worthwhile.
I think this is going to tear our community apart if it doesn't stop soon. I remember a couple of Month ago you said no one was posting or commenting, and you were afraid the community was dying. Now prices have risen, and people are coming out of the woodwork that haven't said or posted anything in Month....some six Month!
They want change........Have a good night my friend!!😍😍😀
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