Hive: Lessons From Amazon Web Services

By now, most have heard about Amazon Web Services. This is one of the leading cloud companies in the world. It houses some of the largest platforms that truly are household names.

That said, try to think back to when you first heard about it. When was that?

It is a tough question to consider for a couple different reasons. To start, Amazon was known long before the cloud service became commonly known. Thus, people have a difficult time remembering exactly when it was.

At the same time, outside the developers and technical people, most of us had no reason to be exposed to the name. Amazon was not targeting the general public. That was not its customer base.

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Personally, the first time I recall an advertisement on television for it was only a few years ago. MLB starting hosting commercials. Quite frankly, I was shocked. The reason is why would they spend the money when it really didn't matter if they reached me? I am not going to sign up for AWS.

This is a statement that holds true for most people. What is odd is that even thought we do not sign up for the service, almost all of us use it on a regular basis.

Here is a partial list of some of their customers. Certainly, there are a few names all of us are familiar with.

Aon, Adobe, Airbnb, Alcatel-Lucent, AOL, Acquia, AdRoll, AEG, Alert Logic, Autodesk, Bitdefender, BMW, British Gas, Baidu, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Canon, Capital One, Channel 4, Chef, Citrix, Coinbase, Comcast, Coursera, Disney, Docker, Dow Jones, European Space Agency, ESPN, Expedia, Financial Times, FINRA, General Electric, GoSquared, Guardian News & Media, Harvard Medical School, Hearst Corporation, Hitachi, HTC, IMDb, International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research, International Civil Aviation Organization, ITV, iZettle, Johnson & Johnson, JustGiving, JWT, Kaplan, Kellogg’s, Lamborghini, Lonely Planet, Lyft, Made.com, McDonalds, NASA, NASDAQ OMX, National Rail Enquiries, National Trust, Netflix, News International, News UK, Nokia, Nordstrom, Novartis, Pfizer, Philips, Pinterest, Quantas, Reddit, Sage, Samsung, SAP, Schneider Electric, Scribd, Securitas Direct, Siemens, Slack, Sony, SoundCloud, Spotify, Square Enix, Tata Motors, The Weather Company, Twitch, Turner Broadcasting,Ticketmaster, Time Inc., Trainline, Ubisoft, UCAS, Unilever, US Department of State, USDA Food and Nutrition Service, UK Ministry of Justice, Vodafone Italy, WeTransfer, WIX, Xiaomi, Yelp, Zynga and Zillow.

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AWS was formed in 2006. That means it went more than a decade without appealing to the general public. Certainly, it targeted the major online platforms, knowing that would bring in the users. Nevertheless, over the last decade, most of us used the service whenever we logged into any of the abovementioned sites.

How Does This Apply To Hive?

The key point is that AWS is, for the most part, a back end service. It supports the front end applications such as Netflix and Spotify. Each time an individual logs onto those platforms, AWS is catering to them.

At the core, the same things holds true for Hive. It is the back end service for all that is built upon it. Fundamentally, it is a data storage mechanism that provides Proof-of-Brain service as well as governance.

Marketing 101: Customers always ask "What is in it for me?".

Even today, do most reading this care about AWS? Are we really interested in what the platform can do? The answer is obvious. Our only concern is that when go onto Netflix, that the videos play. As long as that is the case, we could care less where the data is housed. We are there to watch a video, that is all.

That is why Amazon went more than a decade without promoting AWS to the general public. To them, it didn't matter. It was the applications that attracted the users.

Hive is precisely the same way. Many want to market and promote Hive. Why? Does anyone really care about where the data of the applications on Hive are stored? Are we to believe that newer users are interested in the block speed and data limit size that this blockchain offers? Are you concerned about the tools AWS provides to optimize the streaming speed on Netflix?

So then why do we think others will be interested in what is taking place with Hive?

Target Markets

Look at that list again. How effective would AWS have been if it tried to cater to all the people interested in NASA, Vodafone, Autodesk, and Canon. That is truly a diverse set of users who, while there might be some overlap, it is going to be small. Each is a different target market which requires specialized marketing.

On Hive we also have a diverse group of applications that cater to different things. Certainly there are all the ones that focus upon blogging. However, in there is a wide range of interests. The STEM people are not going to necessarily be into sports. Some will be into finance but not all. Then there is the DPorn crowd which, well, that probably covers them the gambit.

Then we have the gamers. There are battle games, ones that focus upon space exploration, and city building. Each caters to a particular type of player.

Ultimately, people are very focused upon what they care about. If we look at the DeFi craze on Ethereum, it is safe to say that most do not really get involved because it is Ethereum. Here again, they do not care. What they care about is making money. Ethereum does offer a host of benefits that attract the users such as liquidity, growing pools, and ongoing development. However, if Uniswap operated elsewhere, those users probably would not be concerned. Buying a token to operate is no problem for them.

At the end of the day, Hive is the infrastructure that all else is build upon. This is not going to draw in the average user. Certainly, this will hold appeal to developers and those could be targeted.

However, from the user perspective, it is going to be Leo, Actifit, STEMgeeks, Splinterlands or some other application who bring in the users. This is where the focus needs to be. These are the ones who can answer the "what's in it for me" question that the user has.

The Front End Feeds The Back End

The growth of Netflix benefits AWS. Anytime there is an increase in subscribers or whatever other metrics are used, AWS benefits. More activity is taking place requiring more from Amazon. This means larger sums of money in the pocket of that company.

Hive is the same way. Any application that attracts users from the outside will benefit Hive. The numbers cannot be separated out. All transactions that are fed to the blockchain, regardless of the application are posted. At the same time, for that to happen, in most instances, an account is set up. There is no such thing as a DPorn or STEMgeek account. They are all Hive accounts.

For this reason, promoting the back end doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. It is not something the majority are going to care about. In the end, the applications can answer the main question users are concerned about. Thus, they have a chance of attracting the attention of target markets. This leads to a greater retention rate.

There are many diverse offerings now on Hive. They are cater to different types of people. Trying to provide a catchall campaign is going to produce substandard results.

It is obvious what we got over the last few years.

Perhaps it is time, if there wants to be a concentrated onboarding effort, to choose an application and cater a message to that target audience. It doesn't matter what it is. Go for the health nuts by promoting Actifit or focus upon the gaming community with Splinterlands of Cryptobrewmater. Of help Leo by going after all the crypto and financial people.

The application really doesn't matter since there are solutions for whatever is chosen. Then one can hit up the Twitter, Facebook, and email of blogs with a concerted message.

Here we would likely see the success rate grow.

Remember, the success of AWS did not come from promoting that cloud service to the general public.


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However, from the user perspective, it is going to be Leo, Actifit, STEMgeeks, Splinterlands or some other application who bring in the users. This is where the focus needs to be. These are the ones who can answer the "what's in it for me" question that the user has.

This is true because recently when I try to tell people what Hive is , they don't seem interested or don't really get the point but when I tell them about Actifit or Dcity , they get excited and want to take part in it.
That is how I got my brother to be a part of Hive Ecosystem. It is time we stopped looking at Hive as blogging platform alone , it offers much more, that needs to be marketed.

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You bring up a good point. The complexity of Hive is a real barrier. Plus in the end, few care about it.

They do care about what they are passionate about whether that is actifit, dcity or whatever. There is a lot to offer here we just need to promote it.

There are a lot who could use the blogging services. That takes a different approach, like directly finding those who are at risk of being displaced by wordpress or google and bringing them over.

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You make a very good point, "normal" people won't care about hive or how it works or what it does (I've tried), but each community could more easily pull in their target audience with targeted content.

No one gives a shit about how efficient the code is for AWS, or how many servers they have humming away, they just want their Netflix to work... As long as it does people keep using Netflix and therefore using AWS.

We need to adopt the same mentality, who cares how cool HIVE is, it's about the apps built on top.

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A very unpopular opinion around here but the track record speaks for itself.

All of us have tried to get people onto "hive" only to be rejected, look at with a dazed look, or simply told that it isnt interesting.

With the applications, we can frame the message to what the users are concerned about.

This is a job for @nathanmars.

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Can definitely relate to that. I’ve been dropped in here without even knowing what was Hive and couldn’t care less to be honest.
Interest in hive can come later for the curious ones but most will never ever try to understand it. As soon as your game or second layer UI is delivering then all good.

But yes without hive catering as you said, there is nothing on the frontend.
And it raises a question, how scalable is hive to onboard millions of people ? That’s what people expect the most from web servers, that and uptime.

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That question will never be answered until tested. Right now the witness nodes have a lot of room. If things get tight, they can always upgrade their servers.

A large part of the work blocktrades was doing dealt with optimization which should translate into higher levels of activity being handled at the base layer.

Then there are the applications. If a lot of the millions of users come from one app, that will definitely have to upgrade their infrastructure.

There are so many levels to look at and all require attention.

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I've done some calculations to answer that questions from another user.

Short answer is that with current API nodes and existing hardware Hive could scale to about 30x the number of transactions it handles now.

Each new API node (cost about $750 if buying new PC parts) can handle Hive's existing traffic. So as more people run API nodes (esp the front-ends that are bringing people aboard) then capacity increases.

A decentralised system is much more able to scale because a percentage of new users will run API nodes. It scales naturally.

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This is good news. The fact that we can scale rather quickly is a great thing.

So 30 times the number of transactions put us about 27 million per day as it stands now.

Any idea what each additional node will roughly add?

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Thanks for all this info !
Till now I thought witness = API node, but I can actually host a node without being a witness.
I might think about it as all I would need is an additional 16Go RAM.
ps: you got a new witness vote ;)

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I knew about AWS years before they actually started advertising and I agree it has only been in the past couple of years that you have seen them putting out ads. They are really hammering home the idea that all of this stuff you use every day is running on AWS. I know a lot of people are moving away from AWS now because of the cost and because of the censorship concerns. I think it is a really great comparison between AWS and Hive and how it is basically a vehicle to provide products and services.

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If it is truly a terrific back end like many state, why are we promoting it like a front end?

That is where we are failing. There are so many things being offered in Hive now in terms of applications, this is what needs to be front and center.

I dont care which one is promoted in earnest, just choose one.

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That is a very good point. Perhaps instead of focusing on gaining new users we need to be focusing on new developers and based on what they create, the users will come.

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Certainly both need to happen.

It is the chicken or the egg. Will more developers come if the user base increases or will it take more developers to produce the stuff that brings in users?

I think we have enough working that can really be put forth to people. The microblogging is going to be a hit in my opinion since it is so easy to market.

We just need to get the Twitter army going when it goes live. That will bring in users very rapidly I believe.

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For sure! I am hoping to be much more active on here when microblogging shows up.

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The potential of HIVE is very great and there is a lot to offer here. But it is necessary that marketing work on the other possibilities be done in a more efficient way.

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The comparison fits the profile.
IF we get it through onboarding
Leo example will bring more power
eventually to the blockchain.

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What an insightful post!!

This is really a good marketing technique that works.

A call to action to everyone. A sportman
will be attracted to sportstalk community and build from there. Same for Leo to attract people that are more interested in crypto and finances more than other areas of life.

Each community with its own targeted audience and that will indirectly make them want to learn more about other community too and hive blockchain in general.

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Great post. Like I said in one of my previous comments about how I came to learn about HIVE (didn't make a post about it yet), I truly do believe that it will be the applications that bring people to HIVE. I think its best to tell people some interesting applications then afterwards tell them that you can blog about it using that same account to earn some extra rewards.

This is why I think HIVE will expand once the LeoFi, micro-blogging, smart contracts and universal NFTs are implemented.

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This is why I think HIVE will expand once the LeoFi, micro-blogging, smart contracts and universal NFTs are implemented.

I couldn't agree me. I think, once all that is in place, we are going to see a huge explosion in the usage on here.

People will be surprised how quickly things take off. It is going to really stun those who are not paying attention.

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Spot on!

Marketing for Hive itself should really be focused on developers. The type of decision makers who would have to chose between AWS, Microsoft Azure or Google Cloud for non blockchain projects.

For the rest of the population the marketing needs to come from the dapps on top - the Netflixes, the Spotify's etc. In Hive's case of course it will be LeoFinance, Splinterlands etc.

Maybe what is missing is a pureplay social dapp to run on Hive for the mass of the population that might not find a niche home in one of the existing dapps.

Could that ever be the role of hive.blog - I don't think so. Peakd.com, maybe.

What might be needed is something more akin, dare I say it, to HiveBook...?

(PS - and when that is marketed it should be marketed as a fully featured social network where you can connect with friends and people with similar interests, and find useful information. It should not be marketed as a place where you can post to earn.)

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Great to see you @pennsif.

The new application coming out from Leofinance will really bring in a large number of users. It will be basically a front end for twitter, looking similar to that from what we understand.

Yet all activity will be posted to the blockchain and, as long as someone claims his or her Hive account, it can never be taken away.

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Looking forward to seeing that new app in action. Is there a public launch date yet?

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No date as of yet. My guess is mid February but that is just a guess.

First LeoInfra needs to be debugged and rolled out. After that, then I guess we can see it added to the platform.

I think give it 3 weeks, +/- a few.

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The problem is, many can't distinguish between Hive, hive.blog and other front ends. They can only see the token and that's it. It's kind of a similar situation that was with Steem, Steemit, not to mention Steemy :) There's a lot to learn here besides blogging. Even though many of us are not involved in development, know how things work is a must.

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That is why even talking about it is senseless. It is too confusing.

Do you know what is not confusing? Leofinance versus actifit versus 3Speak.

These are the things that people should be talking about.

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Lol, should be talking about and are talking about are two different things, once Taskmaster told me 😜

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Some big names involved using AWS and why Hive needs to adjust and market what it does through what is built on top of it. If users want to learn more they can as Hive to the average person is rather complicated. We are obviously at an advantage as we know what is going on but that is not for everyone. Hive itself is a hard sell unless you are a special type of person who understands how and why things work.

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You are correct. I don't care if my computer runs Windows or Linux as long as the applications are there.

That said, I do sometime worry about the over reliance on AWS. They could very easily pull the plug on the whole Internet.

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That is an interesting insight and vision on how Hive should develop and what it would benefit this ecosystem - the frontend applications, the ones that are reaching to the end users while Hive is the backend and the backbone of it all. We don't need to have Hive in the spotlight, we need great applications to take the buzz while using it. This would be an indirect growth and the value will simply come from using the blockchain.

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It allows for targeted marketing and the attraction of people who are truly interested in the application.

That is a big step if we can get a handful pulling in a few dedicated users for each application per day. That will put help to enhance the activity greatly.

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Like a proverb where I come from, (in English) the comfort of the tree is the comfort of the bird. I love this blog, take for instance I have found it more interesting to vibe on sports while my friend on hive. It is a good idea that tribes should look out for people who is interested in them their by adding to the ground of Hive as the parent chain

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