Web3 Requires Its Own Data And Information

There is a lot of discussion about Web 2.0 versus what is being termed Web 3.0. Under this is web3, which is the blockchain aspect to larger technological movement. All of this will revolutionize how society will operate.

When focusing upon the digital aspect of things, we need to concentrate our efforts on the way the Internet will be altered. Obviously, the main concepts put forth are decentralization of data along with true account ownership. Both these pieces are vital as they are missing from the existing Internet structure.

The idea of account ownership is clear. At this point, few are concerned, making it a poor selling point. That might not always be the case, especially as accounts are being closed by institutions for many different reasons. Social media often gets the attention but Chase recently had a story go viral where it closed a customers account after 18 years for no reason.

However, in this article we are going to focus upon data. This is something that seems boring to most yet it imperative to our progress forward.


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Everything Has A Database

The Internet is nothing more than a series of databases.

If we break things down to the core, we have front ends, also called website, that access back end infrastructure. Contained in this is the storage of data, which is arranged in databases. This is what allows users, through the website, to access the data.

Everything website uses this. Whenever we land on a page, it is pulling data from the servers. This start with authentication info which usually consists of a username and password. The systems account management system pulls the data to determine whether to allow entry or not.

Once on the site, the user activity determines what is needed. Each new webpages gets new information from the database.

Just take a look at some of these sites and some of the database people see.

The list goes on. We have sites that provide information about news, the weather, stats about markets, sports, and recipes.

Where is all this information stored?

They are in databases on servers that these websites access. Of course, being Web 2.0, these are controlled by specific companies that are behind these projects.

The main point is the Internet is dependent upon databases for its operation.

Web3 Databases

Once we fully grasp this concept, we quickly see what the problem is with Web3.

There are no databases. All the information we access is housed on Web 2.0. This means that any application is likely either going to have to utilize that data or go without. Of course, acquiring data is a time consuming process. It is also very difficult without services.

Unfortunately, this is a little discussed topic within the Web3 community. We do not hear people talking about the idea of building out robust, open databases. Instead, it is how do we get crypto to go mainstream. This is not how it is going to unfold.

The internet did not take off until there was data that applications could utilize and offer to their users. For example, search engines are nothing more than data organizers. They started from the earliest days yet required data to be effective. Hence, someone had to input the information.

Web3 is at this point. When I look at Hive I question what is really in the database. After 7 years, what information is actually applicable in terms of interest or utility?

Here is where we have to separate data and information. The data itself is valuable because it is open for anyone to use. This could be fed into some machine learning engines to create AI driven services. It is a utility that should grow as more is posted in the database.

When it comes to information, what are we really dealing with? People are not going to turn to Hive until they are able to get some answers. After all, what answers can we provide?

For example, who won the 1920 World Series? Is that something we can find on Hive? Is it anywhere on Web3? How about the way to replace a fuse in a 1996 Mazda RX7? Is that one Web3? Can we watch films or listen to music on there? What about information regarding the War of 1812?

The point being is that people have to head to Web 2.0 for this. We can keep asking these questions all day and arrive at the same conclusion.

Web3 is operating without databases. If we are really talking about the next generation of the Internet, how is that going to happen if Web 2.0 has all the data? This is a situation that is only compounded by people putting more data on those platforms.

Data Is Crucial

Data is crucial. It is also becoming very valuable.

Many often compare it to oil. While there are some flaws in this analogy, if it is the case, Web3 is a dry hole. There is no data here. Hence, we put our rigging into the ground and get dry holes.

Data generation became explosive with social media. However, we have to be careful how we look at that.

Social media creates a lot of worthless information. Much of it is time sensitive which means the shelf-life is very short. This is important in the moment as with news yet wanes quickly.

These platforms also generate huge volumes of data through tracking. This is fed into models that assimilate the data which is of benefit to advertisers. Hence, the data is valuable, once processed, but the information fairly worthless.

The final piece is simply the volume. It is no mistake that these companies are also working on huge LLMs. Facebook, Twitter, and Google all have mountains of data to train their systems.

It is obvious who is winning the data race.

However, when it comes to information, these companies are not really to be found. Google is a player because of the search engine yet it is not a destination for information. Here is where we see different entities entering.

For example, Wikipedia is the top source for information. When it comes to investing, we see sites like Investopedia. Amazon is the destination for commerce. Different sites garner the traffic for stock market information. IMDB has films covered.

In other words, the ones providing the valuable information are outside the social media platforms. Here is where a huge distinction has to be made.

Web3 is going to require its own version of these databases. What happens if a site is suddenly shut down? Since they are centralized entities, this is possible.

Even more important, who is in control of the data? These are centralized entities that control everything related to it. Even the LLMs, which are often fed the data for training, can be altered based upon the intentions of the company behind it.

None of this aligns with the tenets of Web3. When discussing the idea of open source, permissionless, and immutable, that is Web3. Web 2.0 abhors these concepts since it is 100% aligned against them. Even if the individuals wanted to alter this, the business models they operate under prevent it.

Hence the challenge for Web3.

Where Is Web3

Elon Musk once tweeted about Web3, asking where it is.

Many in the community got upset about this. However, he wasn't wrong. Let us rephrase the question: where are the Web3 databases? Where is all the information that can be used to feed into applications?

The answer, when framed in this manner, becomes obvious.

Web3 databases do not really exist. The industry was built upon distributed ledge technology, meaning there are databases of financial transactions. This is doing fairly well as each transaction tied to a blockchain is recorded.

However, the downfall comes when we spread to other areas. Where is the information upon which the next generation Internet will be built? Are people looking at building databases full of useful information that people will need?

This is something that does not appear to be the case. As long as people still head to Web 2.0 for the information needed, there will be no widespread success of Web3.


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Web3 would be dynamic and I think control of data, who regulates the database of information is what matters. If the personal data is stored in the blockchain and no clear possible outing or leak of it, then the privacy would be stored at some extents I think throughout web3 platoforms.

But other web2 sites wouldnt have such purposes, they would have top level domain and storing mechanism with centralized commands as data by administration. People can make queries of data and manage and collect information where needed.

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Web3 so far, is not for private info since it is transparent and public. So there is no threat of leak since it is open.

Private data isnt the target at this point. Lots of public info that can be posted to Web3.

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Everything you have ever done with Hive: every comment, every transaction, most Hive apps you use, can be determined by myself and others with my technical knowledge at any time.

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Web3 is one of the most talked about nowadays. Web3 is very important especially because of many advantages and getting rid of the problems we faced with Web2. It offers many benefits starting from data, information, ownership. Thanks for putting things so nicely.

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Web3 databases do not really exist.

Operational databases, analytic databases and distributed ledgers are all valid and different types of database management systems. Similarly, a flat file system can serve as a database management system.

As long as people still head to Web 2.0 for the information needed, there will be no widespread success of Web3

I believe it is a matter of using the best technology combination to solve an existing problem. So today, Web3 may look different and may not have what a typical relational database can provide, going forward I believe solutions will move to a seamless integration of various systems such that identifying something as Web 1,2, 3 or whatever will not really matter. How data is stored and retrieved over time is similar to how we expanded on the usage of the original wagon and wheel. !lol

I am not disagreeing with what you said cause I do believe that Web 3 will eventually have a real-time data layer. This may happen with private networks where they can take advantage of some blockchain features and avoid the negative parts, like blocks continued growth impacting system performance.

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It will be interesting to see the structure that is used. We need a data layer that applications can integrate and let people utilize. At this point, it is absent. A lot of work to be done before it is ready for the masses.

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At this point, it is absent.

Is it really absent?
Is it not a matter of creating an api to interact with whatever network one would like. I see it more as a blackbox solution. Inside the blackbox are api's and whatever interface that is made available to communicate and transfer data between networks. ie Accessing a Data Objects model that can be customized for whatever the specific network wants to make available. Be it privately or publicly.

lot of work to be done before it is ready for the masses.

You mean, like every Joe Blow on the internet? !lol

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The data structures utilized by Hive can significantly enhance the visibility and reach of user-generated content.

For instance, when a user publishes a book review, it can be linked to the corresponding book within the Hive blockchain. This linkage not only provides additional information about the book but also enables users to easily find and compare other reviews of the same book.

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Similarly, a review of a coffee shop can be linked to its listing on Hive, providing a richer user experience. This approach can be applied to a variety of categories, such as other businesses, travel destinations, movies, and beyond. This could potentially be one of the most beneficial applications of open Web3 technologies, enhancing the way information is shared and accessed online.

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That is true..all of that can be done.

We also have the reviews on the blockchain as opposed to a centralized database.

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With my little knowledge and what I believe in Web3, even though I strongly believe it contains the future, there is still a lot that is to be worked upon before Web3 actually take over

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While I do agree that Web3 needs a database of information to rival Web2, I don't quite agree that we need to have all Web2 info in Web3 immediately. I think all those niche topics you mentioned can stay in Web2 for the time being. We should focus on new information to entice the current users. Similar to how companies stored their data in physical files, and then later on slowly uploaded them to their centralized databases, I think we should do the same approach. Let Web2 data stay in Web2, and focus on adding new data to Web3. Web3 should focus on our own niches, to increase our users. Once we see mass adoption, then companies will onboard Web2 data to Web3 on their own.

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What niches are you proposing? I am not following. Do you mean cryptocurrency, as an example, data?

Can you cite some use cases of the niches you are referring to?

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I was thinking of niches that Web3 can be a leader, or a big gamechanger in. Things like the financial market, and gaming. We can focus on Crypto updates in financials, like how BTC ETFs are coming soon, BTC halving, topics that Web3 people are experts in, instead of the Web2 people. For gaming we can focus on the advantages of asset ownership in Web3, unbiased reviews of Web3 games, guides, etc. If we can get more users to Hive, we already have a range of applications that are similar to Web2. InLeo for Twitter/X, Peakd for FB/Reddit, 3Speak for YT.

Even if put info about the 1920 World Series, or 1996 Miata, or info on the War of 1812 in Web3, not only is it redundant data, but we will be fighting for SEO to beat well established Web2 sites. Not only that, but it will only cater to less than 10k people [my personal estimate] for so much effort. We've seen big corporations slowly give way to crypto and adopt changes for it. We should focus on those areas first.

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I would agree with you except that when it comes to SEO, BTC and other crypto topics are well represented by some of the mainstream sites.

Ultimately, we need to get as much into Web3 as we can. While SEO might always be an issue at least we can start feeding our own machine learning engines.

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I can agree with that. We got to start somewhere, and there no better time to start than now.

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Web3 isn't going to replace Web2, nor should it. It's going to enhance it. That's true because Web2 didn't replace Web1. We still have the fundamental building blocks of the internet (Web0). If you look hard enough, you can still find static web pages that do not allow any interaction (Web1). What happened with Web2 is that developers added another layer to the fundamental building blocks of the web and enhanced everyone's ability to interact on a web page. Web3 is just another layer on top of that. What it should do is enhance Web users' ability to continue doing what they've always done online. Web3 provides a financial layer to the internet that is necessary, but that doesn't mean everyone will use it. When the time comes, current Web2 users will adopt Web3 tools.

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There is a database API in hive for accessing Hive user information. Most apis used by this blockchain's front ends access data in a way which is not like reading the Bitcoin blockchain. There's no need to go back to your first transaction in order to determine your balance for example.

I think perhaps Hive could have been done better by leaving more data in the Hive network of data but not actually going into the blockchain itself. You know how you can download a movie on a bit torrent Network and that is not part of any blockchain. Front ends do not keep the videos in on chain it does not keep photos we use on chain. Posts must stay in the network but I don't think they really needed to be part of blocks for a system like Hive to work. I'm not saying that we should try to change that now. In fact I have to be careful because whatever I leave here as a comment and he's recorded in the blockchain and I can't go back and change it in a way that people can't tell that it was changed.

You might consider having something like this for images. There's no network for images. certain front end operators are serving our images for us. I already called there is something like that called ipfs

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