pHBD Should Be Polycub's Main Token

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Many of us are excited about the long term potential of the Polycub platform. There is a lot of plates spinning with the team focusing upon a lot of development. Each week, we get some insights into what is being worked on via the AMA that @khaleelkazi and the team put together.

The most recent episode was packed with lots of details, especially about vexPOLYCUB. This is a new system that will put staking and governance on steroids.

This is a wonderful step forward. However, for me, there is a diamond sitting there that Polycub should look to exploit.

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The Value Of POLYCUB

A lot is being made of trying to get POLYCUB valued. We all know what happened to the price yet there are many reasons to believe in the premise of what is being developed. At the moment, it looks like we might see the Treasury built over the next couple months, allowing for 2 more "halvings". When that goes live, the Treasury will start buying POLYCUB on the open market.

Of late, we also saw POLYCUB as the pair for the new liquidity pools. This is also a valuable feature as it will add depth to the token. However, we have to keep in mind, POLYCUB is going to behave more like a stock than a currency.

The goal of POLYCUB is to get people to HODL. Some of the additions are going to go a long way to aiding in that. We are still awaiting the lending and bonding features. With more liquidity pools, Treasury purchase, and a disinflationary token distribution, POLYCUB is primed to move in a different direction.

One of the main ideas which makes this platform stand out is the concept of generating revenue. We do not see a lot of discussion about that in the world of crypto. However, consistent revenue generation is a fundamental aspect of any business. If we look at the Polycub platform through that lens, then we see how vital this is.

Naturally, the more activity that takes place, we should see greater revenue. This is vital for the value of POLYCUB. All features that are built on the platform can help to feed into this.

Over time, we should see this transitioning into continually higher prices.

pHBD As The Focus

If there is so much potential for POLYCUB, why the discussion about pHBD? Here again, we are looking at the difference between a transactional currency and something that we want HODLERs.

In short, pHBD should be the main focus and building take place on top of it. This is a path that could provide Polycub even more potential.

Essentially, pHBD becomes the stablecoin for the platform. All transactions are tied to this.

With this as a centerpiece, the ability to expand upon it is enormous.

To start, the idea was floated for synthetics. If that is created on the platform, all buy and sell orders can be done utilizing pHBD. This offers a huge use case for the token. Of course, to achieve that end requires having it to begin with. Those who do not will have to swap USDC (or whatever token) for it. That will drive more activity to the liquidity pool, generating fees along the way. Of course, that will likely necessitate a deeper pool.

Keep this in mind as we keep expanding upon this idea.

NFTs are also something discussed. Guess what happens here? pHBD is the token used for any sales or purchases.

Of course, the key is to get more exotic. If you have synthetics, then other assets such as options can be built on top. This could further be expanded into the futures market. Eventually, swaps on interest rates could also be developed, providing an expansive financial center offering many products.

Once again, the key is the need for pHBD. By creating derivatives tied to it, we are expanding the value of the token on the platform, generating more fees along the way.

Strengthening pHBD Reflects Back To HBD

Each pHBD is backed by HBD. The derivative (pHBD) is created by bridging over HBD. This is an important point since an expansion of pHBD will necessitate more HBD.

There are a number of articles explaining how this works so we will not delve into this here. However, we have a very important point to consider.

At present, the interest rate on staked HBD is 20%. The Treasury is taking advantage of this by putting a portion of the HBD into savings. Of course, this generates more HBD which the Treasury can use to compound the returns.

Of course, the amount of HBD generated via return increases with more pHBD created. Here is where having incentive to create it is paramount.

At present, the use case is to enter the liquidity pool and get a return higher than holding HBD. This is a good start yet we can see how a lot more can be done. By focusing upon pHBD as the central token on the platform, we can expand the use cases with most new features rolled out. Over time, the userbase is going to keep requiring more pHBD.

The only way to generate pHBD is to get HBD and bridge it over, putting it (HBD) into the Treasury.

Polycub, along with the other EVM iterations, can become a financial supercenter for many different kinds of products. Throughout the entire process, the stablecoin can be the epicenter of all transactional activity. As each feature generates more revenue, this will feed into the value of the platform.

And POLYCUB is there to capture that value.

Stablecoins can be very powerful when coupled with development. Thus far, we see a lot of them stablecoin project simply trying to monkey with the tokenomics. With pHBD, we can see how developing use case can add to the value of the token, giving users are reason to utilize it.


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I also agree with this idea. pHBD should be Polycub's main stablecoin or token

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Here's something I'd never considered before, and correct me if you or any of the rest of the Leo or POLYCUB team have already spoken on the subject;

Since HBD is a derivative token (a type of financial contract whose value is dependent on an underlying asset, group of assets, or benchmark) - namely of the HIVE token, pHBD operates based on the same supply overall of HBD, just being stored or transferred on the Polygon Network?

I'm not well-versed in the software side of this, but I can definitely appreciate the amount of time and effort that has been put into both Leo & POLYCUB.

Going off this presentation, that you're proposing pHBD be THE main token, wouldn't there need to be both a dramatic increase in the supply of HIVE tokens (to mint new Hive-Backed Dollars) and then a pretty large increase in the actual supply of HBD in order to move them over to Polygon?

One thing I truly appreciate is Hive's ease of use, and LeoFinance also got it done really well.

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It’s like it’s backed by something that’s backed by something that’s backed by nothing. I’m team Hive all the way, but this is getting so scammy looking to me on the HBD now used to back something else when it’s not backed by anything. I unfortunately believe HBD will not keep any peg to dollar long term. This just looks like a mess to me.

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Perhaps understanding value and reserve would be helpful.

I hypothesize you think the USD is backed by nothing.

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so, in theory, since HBD is a derivative of HIVE, any HBD on other chains is technically 1:1 with the HIVE-native HBD tokens. Since there is pHBD, and I'd heard rumblings of creating a bHBD for BSC and even a WHBD for ETH

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I just don’t see most succeeding long term. I hope I’m wrong as many friends here are staking into these. But 90% plus of these projects promising huge returns via ARP won’t make it or the ARP will come down a lot. It’s simple math.

They said could go on a long time.
I hope everyone makes bank 🍻

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yeah, I'm extremely skeptical of BUSD, USDT (Tether in general) and USDC - they all have global backers who are single points of failure. And Tether is being heavily shorted now

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USDC (Circle) already filed for a banking license in the US in NY. They are getting ahead of the regulatory curve.

They will then be audited and have to comply. So that might have a degree of safety to it.

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I guess. the main thing is, I don't trust the people at BlackRock or Circle/Coinbase to allow any competitors to take foot in the sector

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Derivatives are instruments which control an underlying asset, so yes you can create derivatives like p-HBD and b-HBD, and they are valuable because they are backed by and control HBD. It doesn't matter how many derivatives you create, as long as each represents and controls an HBD.

The fact that the derivatives exist on other blockchains means the market for trading the original HBD is bigger, which means increased utility. Utility is always a core component of value.

So from a financial derivative viewpoint, wider distribution and more utility of an instrument is always increases value. Utilityy of US Dollars increase their value, limitations of the utility of a currency like the Russioan Ruble, reduces it's value. Utility is a core characteristic of value for goods, services and commodities. The more markets exist for them, the greater their value.

And as long as there is no hypothecation; "multiple derivatives backed by the exact same HBD" it is not a house of cards, but a house with a firm foundation.

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Thanks for the response, you cleared that up for me. I've always been skeptical of derivatives, just because of what's already happened with them in the fiat world, and they've caused a ton of damage.

Obviously, I want Polygon and PolyCUB, Hive, and HBD to all grow and become what they can. HBD as a form of payment for basic goods and services would be a huge adoption catalyst in North America, like how DASH & BTC and DAI have helped with adoption in Venezuela, Argentina, and El Salvador.

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Your concerns are understandable. I share your concern for deratives, they can be misused, and create large problems.

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Yeah, especially after Lehman in 2007, and Deutsche Bank holding supposedly over $1 Quadrillion in derivatives on their balance sheets. If HBD ultimately becomes something much greater than it is today, I think that will lend a lot more confidence to the sector as a whole, and provide a potential blueprint as to how to create a "stablecoin" that doesn't die in a brutal death spiral like UST, USDD (soon) and USDT (I think is the culminating event of the current Crypto downturn).

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And even with rehypothecation, that can still have enormous value, albeit in a riskier way.

With the collateralization game, we can see how chains can work well if the underlying is strong along with the other layers.

It gets to be a challenge when things do fall apart.

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Yes, you are right, rehypothecation generates a lot of value, so many financial concerns consider the risks worth it.

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Yeah. Few realize the value of a collateral chain when the underlying collateral is strong and the players pay back the loans.

It really can foster some financial growth rather rapidly.

People are right, when things go bad, it can be a mess. But that is always the case with leverage.

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As an algorhythmic stable HBD is back by Hive, Hive is both something and nothing, as it derives it's value from the Community.

The US Dollar is backed by the US Government, so the Dollar is both something and nothing, it derives it's value from the community wich supports it, the American Government, and the world wide community which feels it has value.

Hive and HBD are not as old as the US Dollar, but niether is backed by gold nor bitcoin, their value exists in the mind of their community.

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You are correct, pHBD is a derivative of HBD. The former is located on Polygon with the latter on Hive. Hence we are dealing with two separate assets.

The creation of pHBD can only come from HBD. By bridging it, that releases pHBD into the market. The HBD is still in existence in the @p-hbd wallet on Hive. Some of this is used to generate a return via the saving pool.

Ultimately, HBD is backed by $1 worth of $HIVE. This means the value of HIVE (more than just price). Over time, the value of the "reserve" can increase via utility.

As for the creation, yes conversion is one of the way that HBD can be created. To assert we need more HIVE is not necessarily true. The higher the price of HIVE, the more HBD that can be created by each one. So if $HIVE is $2, then 2 HBD can be minted for each.

There is a total outstanding supply with utility (simply to interact with the blockchain to start). However, conversion is another utility that has to be considered.

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OH ok, that was definitely confusing before. So, the production of new HBD tokens is solely dependent on the PRICE of each HIVE token vs the USD..so, what would happen, if, hypothetically, HIVE ran all the way to $5 USD per token, would that open the floodgates of liquidity to HBD? I know HBD is relatively tiny in comparison to the big bois, but that also gives it a more independent oversight vs something like Coinbase, Circle, BlackRock, or Paxos.

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so, what would happen, if, hypothetically, HIVE ran all the way to $5 USD per token, would that open the floodgates of liquidity to HBD?

Potentially. Under that scenario, each $HIVE could convert to 5 HBD. However, the question is how many would convert?

That is where utility comes in. Those who are HODLing $HIVE for appreciation, to be able to interact with the blockchian or for governance wouldnt do a not of HBD creating.

It is why there needs to be other ways to generate it like the placement in savings as well as reward payouts.

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Fair enough, good response. I first heard about the Hive blockchain back in 2019, when I stumbled upon @scottcbusiness's content on LBRY when I went digging for crypto educational materials. Throughout the past 3 years, I've always maintained that Hive seems to be the best blockchain for social networking, because, not only is the price of the HIVE token not controlled solely by a small group of people, but also that you can actually earn HIVE and HBD for creating content, that was the big thing to me.

I grew up with Xanga, Myspace, and then gave up on social networking in general once Facebook took over. I never got into the trends, never used IG in its rise to dominance, never really went on YouTube except to check out basketball game highlights (no cable tv at home back then) and I never saw any possibility of making money online.

Thankfully things have changed dramatically in the past ~15 years, and there are growing opportunities everywhere, especially in the blockchain space. Not even considering there are over 100 DApps built ontop of HIVE so far, the potential for HBD being the stablecoin for Hive is just the floor, imo.

I've been a big fan of the IBC & Cosmos blockchain + ecosystem, and I see interoperability as the key to encouraging adoption and fine-tuning of UIs for the masses. In my eyes, HBD could become a stablecoin that could one day also be easily traded within the Cosmos ecosystem, within such Blockchains as Osmosis, Cosmos, Ethereum (via Gravity Bridge), and then utilized in the different Swaps like SecretSwap (for example, an sHBD token, created by bridging from Hive to the Secret Network), ButtonSwap, and SiennaSwap all based on the Secret Network.

And maybe even still, with the future advent of a bHBD, utilizing the token in PancakeSwap for LP mining as well as providing something of reasonably-stable value as an intermediary to swap from token to token. Since Tether is commonly used for that, I'd wager that HBD's best case scenario, would be supplanting Tether entirely in the decentralized space, regarding swapping from Hive to Ethereum to Cosmos to Bitcoin to THORChain to Monero, it's all possible using the same idea to build from.

Even though the LUNA debacle put the brakes on a LunaCUB application, there are still other chains that Cub DeFi could integrate with to further the flywheel-effect, becoming a true hub for DeFi for BSC, ETH, Polygon, Avalanche, HIVE, and much more!

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You will likely see aHBD, ThorHBD, and maybe something on Solana.

The key is to get it built first. Duplicating on other EVMs is rather east once the main coding is done.

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i gotcha. So a Decentralized algorithmic-balanced stablecoin that does not have a centralized entity behind it, pulling strings and pumping liquidity in to bail it out (a la Terra).

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That is correct. HBD is backed by $1 worth of HIVE.

The Hive blockchain is not controlled by one entity. Instead, the 20 consensus witnesses and the 80+ rotating ones control the chain.

And no single entity has more than 3% or 4% of the total stake,

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I think pHBD is a NFT representing the value of HBD on Polygon, and the existing supply of HBD depositied on exchanges and locked in Hive wallets very large curently, in excess of several million, so first this needs to be mobilized and put into circulation instead on new HBD printed. Subsequently @smooth the creator of the "HBD Stabilizer" also wrote that there was great scalability in the stabilizer to support both this mobilization and fuel the creation of a large pool of USDC-pHBD on Polygon.

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This has been a great addition I wish I jumped in sooner. The yield is great and it's a wonderful store of wealth.

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Store of wealth? Seriously?

this won’t end well.

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Hmmm...

As an observation , over the last several years Stablecoins have been used as the cryptocurrency version of dollars, essentially since their inception.

Traders refer to the tradng practice of dollars to stocks, and stocks to dollars every day as the type of trading which lets you sleep like a baby at night. You know your capitol is safe, your profits are secured, and you will survive to trade the next day.

Bitcoin whales have been trading in and out of Bitcoin and USDT for years, building up large fortunes. Stablecoins are a very vital component of the market.

The fact that Do Kwon's stablecoin failed is multi-factorial, but the fact that it failed doesn't mean all other stablecoins will fail, nor that all other algorhythmic stablecoins will fail. It means his failed.

The history of cryptocurrency, and world monetary currency history is filled both with failed stablecoins and failed currencies. But currencies continue to be a vital part of the world economy, and I think stablecoins will always be a vital part of the crypto economy.

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I didn't get in at first, but decided to and the yeld has been good, slightly better then Hive wallet. But it offers advantages of liquidity, with immediate availability to withdrawal it versus 3 days from Hive savings account.

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Is there a Plan for a $LEO Backed Dollar ?

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Isnt that what pHBD already is.

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it basically is however it would be nice to pick a 50/50 on LEO Finance and earn LBD and not have to make swaps to HBD

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That would mean building more on Hive Engine which I am not sure is high on the list and then adjusting all the payouts. Plus, that isnt necessarily tied to HBD since Hive ENgine would generate it.

They might bridge it over but that would then require still another app.

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:)
Perhaps we are lookng at it buy another name...p-HBD
Khal is a Hive supporter, and believes HIve makes all things possible. So why not?!
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The idea of pHBD becoming the main token of PolyCUB is great. How nice it would be if Khal would consider it. As he often mentioned, the pHBD pool was the reason they decided to make a 180-degree turn on their PolyCUB plans so why not make it as the main stablecoin in the protocol.

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They decided that simply because there was a lot of money being generated between the bridge and fees. Certainly a powerful realization and one that is smart to leverage.

My point here is to further that process by creating a larger use case, ie needing more HBD (pHBD). This is where a great deal of value can be derived.

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Yes, you are right about that. It would create more need for HBD which will in turn help deepen the liquidity.

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It would cause the need for liquidity to float to the surface.

But pHBD will alleviate that a bit by having something off chain (Hive). Of course, it also would cause more HBD to be required.

It will accelerate a lot of things and not in a pump sort of way.

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That's right again and we don't want the pump kind of way, stability is what we want more :)

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This is exciting also because of the number of businesses based on Hive which are seeking payment in HBD. Multiple uses, for goods and services, along with lending gives it more utility and I think ultimately more value.

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I think as we weather this bear we may see more stablecoin development, and what you describe may be the ultimate evolution, we will see...

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I think all good projects have a fantastic stablecoin at their center, and PolyCub should be no different, especially if we are going to do lending and collateralized loans. It's interesting to see the evolution of Leofinance over time and the stairstep development of the projects from WLEO, to BLEO to PLEO each project is more complicated, more sophisticated, more options for earning and so fourth.
khal is living the dream here of building a business from the ground up, watching it struggle, flourish, and like a ship rise and fall with the tides and other fources beyond his control. But he is every adjusting, every modifying the ships course to find the port in the storm.

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You are correct, it is evolutionary. For that reason, I think it is imperative to start the process of putting pHBD at the core of Polycub. This will help to build a ton of value for POLYCUB in the long run since that is where the value is captured.

However, generating utility means a lot of need for pHBD, which is a big money (revenue) maker for the Treasury.

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I am assuming that p-HBD will play a big role in collateralized loans?

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I cannot say if it will or will not.

Up to this point, I have no information of how that will work.

It could make sense to do it but a challenge if there is not enough available. So it will be interesting how that is structured.

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One of the main ideas which makes this platform stand out is the concept of generating revenue.

Ding ding ding ding!

Being able to generate protocol backed liquidity is the backbone of DeFi 2.0.

Something that pHBD does a fuckload of for the PolyCub platform.

Good take mate, thanks for sharing.

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It all makes sense when I read the post, and I have been following the polycub many developments. I finally understand how polycub is generating revenue, but I don't see just yet how or why pHBD would be used as the center of it all... because of its peg, we can trust this stablecoin and have more "stable" transactions in term of value?

Just trying to wrap my head around this. Thanks

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It stems from the concept of POLYCUB being akin to stock with pHBD more like the USD.

pHBD being the center of focus for the commercial activities that take place on Polycub. So, if there are bonds, swaps, and synthetics to be purchased, that should all be done in pHBD, not POLYCUB.

Through the increased activity, we can see how POLYCUB will benefit since the entire platform will be generating more revenue, ie the Treasury buying more.

This is what I feel is missing in cryptocurrency. All are trying to build the value of their tokens as a currency instead of a reflection upon the value of the platform.

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It definitely seems like it isn't something many platforms are trying to achieve. Thanks I understand à lot more now.

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