Farmer Spotlight: Liondani

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Let me introduce Liondani, witness, shit poster, and farmer.

A few weeks ago I noticed @liondani was self voting near 100% efficiently and I started to flag him. In response, he had a fit and went down all my posts and retaliated with 100% downvotes. He accused me of flagging him because of his witness vote.

Not only is he using multiple accounts he is also creating communities which he is cross-posting to so he can self vote twice. Fortunately, the ability to abuse cross-posting is coming to an end with a new Peakd update.

A majority of these posts are using other people's content (YouTube videos uploaded to Threespeak) as he can't even be bothered to make his own content.

For example, the account @mediastorm which he claims is his "best man" is posting IT videos from YouTube and uploading them to ThreeSpeak which he upvotes 100% with @liondani (the only real upvotes on the posts).

These posts are then cross-posted into "IT Tutorials" community which is owned by @mediastorm as well and get upvoted by @liondani for 100% as well.

All of @mediastorm posts are content stolen from YouTube and reposted using ThreeSpeak.

The same process is used on his @bible account which posts stolen content from YouTube and reposts it onto Threespeak and then cross-posts it into his Christian Orthodox Community.

He claims @mcgonagall account is his wife's account, but within 2 minutes of flagging a mediastorm post a new post shows up from @mcgonagall complaining about downvotes.

Now that I have been flagging, he has switched to giving votes to comments to avoid sharing curation rewards with anyone.

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Even though the votes don't go directly to him, he knows he won't have to share curation rewards as it is only his votes. This is a common tactic for spammers who are unable to farm rewards directly.

He tried doing this for a bit today, but I flagged the comments to remove the rewards. Within a few minutes, he changed them all to 100% upvotes and went down my posts to flag them again.


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#farmerspotlightseries 😂👍🏽

Come on mr @liondani, you’ve been around long enough to know this is oldsteem behaviour.

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Old Steem behavior calls for old school Farm Simulator.

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Do you have a problem with Comment votes on other people's posts? Because that's a main issue of this post?

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No I do not.

I don’t see it as the main issue, comment voting is good for engagement.

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He claims @mcgonagall account is his wife's account

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I know what I/you said.
You are also aware of the slack rules.

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Regardless, the information is there so people can judge for themselves.

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Whake-a-mole. Are you having fun yet? :P

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so he's stuck in old steem, we're in hive now. We're looking for quality and we're sharing good vibes to everyone. Good job for stopping this kind of behaviour marky.

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I don't understand, it's a different person. I saw this account threatening me in steem before.

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Which account?

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that marty before in steem? I forgot what he said when sending my wallet with an small amount and threatening people to remove witness votes to you.

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TheMilkyMark?

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ah that's it, sorry I misread it. So marty is also yours marky?

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I changed my name on Steem to be Marty as Roy kept calling me Marty during the first meeting.

I am 99% sure I know who TheMilkyMark is but they never went ahead and started downvoting and now they just trying to curate to get enough to pay for the delegations.

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oh really, you're really good in this stuff huh. Anyway, I wasn't afraid of that milky. No one should tell me what to do.

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Cross-posting is something I sincerely don't like at all, it's as if it was really designed to abuse our blockchain, I've only done it once and I don't plan to use that feature again.

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It is a great feature just poorly implemented. But it was an experiment. They learned from it and changing it so it cannot be abused anymore. I think being able to cross post between communities is a good idea. Right now there is no native way to do it.

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So make cross-posting the same as the reblog feature except into the community, this way theres still one post, not two. I don't think this would be too hard to fix.

Get rid of cross-posting all together. I used it once or twice, the first time I didn't know exactly what it did, i was under the impression it was like the reblog feature, didn't know it was an entirely new post.

Just a suggestion.

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There are changes being made to fix the abusibility of cross-posting.

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I like the cross posting feature because it makes it easier to breath life into communities sputtering communities. It's great that the rewards abuse potential is being addressed.

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The best part of this post is the news that cross posting might be coming to an end?? If so, that is great news. A person’s content should be able to be published in as many relevant communities as they want in my opinion. I know that might be difficult to code though.

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Not to an end, but will not be able to be used for farming rewards.

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Well ... at least it is a step in the right direction in my opinion. It would be nice if we could get rid of it completely.

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I'm not completely convinced it is bad, in its current form I believe it is, but if it can no longer be abused for farming rewards, I think it can help engagement and content discovery.

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Content discovery has always been annoyingly difficult.

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We are trying to do some brainstorming on ideas to help that, I know there is at least one project in the works to help with it.

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Wow... @themarkymark I just wanted to spend my time during quarantine, so I joined Hive. What's the matter? I couldn't imagine I have to apologize for my supporters.

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While it does suck to see a witness that is so high in the witness ranks doing something like this, it is also sad to see him supported by so many others to bring his witness up that high as well.

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He hasn't been doing it long, a few months ago I flagged a video he posted for $12 that was just copied off YouTube, I didn't think anything of it at the time but then I recently (2-3 weeks ago) saw him voting 100% between these accounts and abusing Cross-posting so I started to flag it to change the behavior.

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Good, I am glad that there are some more of the witnesses that care about abuse on the chain. Thanks for fighting the good fight.

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https://peakd.com/@themarkymark

literally all his post are selfvoted with @buildawhale account and other accounts he controls. Is this not an abuse of delegation they trusted to him?. But that is not a problem of course I guess,and top 20 witness rewards and proposal funds rewards are also not enough, so self voting is a MUST, allowed for him (double standards)... But I am the big problem here! And consider the money I have spent for Hive are MUCH more than the rewards I get from curation etc. The blockchain don't lie. Check and compare who is ripping the rewards!

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The same process is used on his @bible account which posts stolen content from YouTube and reposts it onto Threespeak and then cross-posts it into his Christian Orthodox Community.

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You're welcome to use @dtube instead. It's a free platform, independant from Steem or Hive whales. No delegations, no hidden fees, you can truly control your videos (no 3rd party login or upload required).

Oh and welcome to the club, with a bit more work you might join the VIP group of negative rep.

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cool tractor. i want one

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Have you seen this?

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It is for taking oranges off trees.
It shakes the branches to make them fall into the basket without hurting them.

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wow, first time i have seen one of them. Reminds me of a street sweeper, but upright

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What a wild looking contraption.

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looks at self vote from alt account on this post 🤔

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a 10% vote every day or two whenI make a post, like I give to the other 150+ people I curate.

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Yes I know, we have established self votes are ok as long as we auto vote a lot of other people. Still some irony in that considering the context of this post.

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That 1 10% vote you are talking about? Show me it on this chart? It doesn't exist. Because 99% of the voting power is for 150+ accounts.

But I love how you compare that to someone who is self voting 100%, then making a community, and cross-posting into that community so he can then self vote 100% and get all of it twice on each post. All while posting stolen content from YouTube.

Fantastic comparison and argument Justine.

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I actually just simply said it was ironic this post had a self vote on it. Calm your tits. I also don’t see the account in question voting for itself 100%, so I guess I’ll take your word for it.

As I asked elsewhere -

Is there a percentage that you could come up with that is an acceptable self vote? And does that just include one account or multiples? Owned HP or self voting with delegated HP?

It may be a good basis for all the other accounts doing the exact same thing that you just don’t happen to have a grudge against this week.

Consistency is key.

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You keep asking this same questioning to derail the conversation as you know full well there is no rule or guideline and everyone is free to use their stake as they like.

I have no grudge against Liondani, I don't even know him. I flagged a youtube video he ripped off about a month ago because it was $12 and was just a link to YouTube. Then I came across him in new posting stolen YouTube videos to Threespeak, self voting them 100% then cross-posting them again in a community he owns so he can self vote again and get all the beneficiaries, but sure that's the same thing and yea that's holding a grudge on someone.

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as you know full well there is no rule or guideline and everyone is free to use their stake as they like.

he says this to you but he falging someone who is using his own stake LOL

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That's not even the problem at hand here. I don't know how you both managed to turn it into about self votes.

The real question is: when is it acceptable to cast large votes on content that is not yours (you know, sharing).

Is it never? Or is it only okay after community starts a lively discussion (like those in the German community) and then it becomes valuable?

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Surely, that can not happen to you.
You just cash out.

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Yes I know, we have established self votes are ok as long as we auto vote a lot of other people.

And already looong time ago, people still knew there even existed manual upvotes for content they read and like. :)

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First of all you vote more than 10% for most of your posts (like you did on this one for +20%!) And selfvoting yourself each time with about min $10 using @buildawhale account that has a delegation of 1.3 MILLION from community makes you a SUPER FARMER! (and it is only one account you control!)

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That was actually an error on my part, it is supposed to match the same I give all 200 other people I curate (but they get my vote in addition) but I recently reduced it due to the price skyrocketing. I failed to reduce that rule, but I went ahead and removed it altogether, it won't vote me at all now.

I am not stealing content and posting it on Threespeak then crossposting it so I can self vote it a second time, and doing it across multiple accounts. That's is why I started flagging you.

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And I explained to you that I was doing it for religion content mostly the Holy Week here in Greece for raising the visibility of that content! I have also offered to donate that money and as I already mentioned I indirectly did that by supporting Hive listing on Huobi and offered 5K HIVE!

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But it isn't your content, why should you get paid to post it and then get paid a second time to cross-post it.

I didn't know about your donation and I think that's awesome and I have mad respect for that. As I said before, I don't even know you, I just see someone uploading other people's videos to Threespeak and self voting 100%, then cross-posting into a community where you get the beneficiaries from and self voting again. Same behavior on Mediastorm. I flagged it because it is bad behavior using other people's content to get rewards, uploading other people's content, and using cross-posting to vote it a second time.

In response for trying to correct that behavior, you went down and flagged every one of my posts (I'm fine with that, I am no stranger to downvotes, but it shows even more bad behavior).

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I didn't know about your donation and I think that's awesome and I have mad respect for that.

Thank you! I can see a light.. There is some hope we move on and convert this conflict to a opportunity for hive...

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Ah assumptions!! assumptions, assumptions. Always assumptions!!

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Nice work takimg down this farm.
I'm gonna go work on my real farm today -Not this low effort mining crap.

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self voting is self voting, I get my ass kicked everyday for it while others do it ALLLLL the time.... stop counting other peoples money and focus on building a stronger hive

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Downvoted because this is super lame to be on the trending... through an alt account self-vote.

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Also are you saying you are going to downvote people for upvoting comments?
Also you wrote you have a problem with him upvoting other people's comments... and then 1 of your next three examples was a POST?

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Also I feel like he used his vote on those other comments as a voice as a response to what you did ...not to game the system.

So all in all I appreciate what you do in general... but this was plain sloppy (referring mostly to the comments aspect) and shouldn't be on trending... maybe even public at all.
Maybe we should implement the reward self-limitations system or allow users to specify they don't want their post on trending.

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Sorry grabbed wrong one, was supposed to be this

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The reason he was upvoting comments as there is no competition for curation rewards.

Also I feel like he used his vote on those other comments as a voice as a response to what you did ...not to game the system.

That sounds logical but he started upvoting comments before this post and it's a pattern spammers use when they can't vote their posts as they don't think people will flag other people to remove the votes.

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It sounds like pure assumptions. You are using your experience with other people to make an assumption... and assumptions are sometimes all we have to go on I understand that.

The reason he was upvoting comments as there is no competition for curation rewards.

How do you KNOW this? How can you be sure of it... as I stated sometimes all we have to go on is a feeling ... but throwing someone under the bus shouldn't be just a feeling.

I once got pulled over for what a cop thought were overly tinted windows (they weren't) he then asked if I had drugs I told him i didnt and I had never even done drugs or even drank in my life. He continued to try to figure out if I had drugs and I said didnt I just tell you I dont. Then he said yeah that's what the guy said last week then we found some. He treated me like a criminal because he had interactions with criminals. That's his world experience to interact with bad people but he couldn't just treat me that way because of these things. He needed a lot more to go on

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or allow users to specify they don't want their post on trending.

That's something I've been suggesting since the first week on Hive. It would make for more sense to keep our behind the scenes internal memos, public service announcements, platform politics, etc. out of the spotlight but still easily accessible. A place where we can air our grievances but not look like fools to people who might not completely understand why, whatever it is, even happens. Often these situations can be dramatic and even pointless, but they still need to happen or we can't solve problems.

The trending page is better suited for the best of the best at any given moment. Something that makes us all look good. A shining example and the end result of all the zaniness that takes place behind the scenes. That would be a far more professional approach.

I would have loved to have that option in place while attempting to address a few issues I've brought up recently. Not everything needs to be a spectacle.

Even if one could select from something like 'general' and that could potentially place it on trending if it does well, and the other option could be something like 'internal', and that could have it's own tab, work just like trending does now, make it just as accessible as trending is now. Create a culture early that knows the difference and know where to look for things like recent developments, internal news, platform politics, things like that. So it's not hidden, just sorted, and people still get to make their money if deserving. Two sorted sections like this also offers the creator of the content an increased chance of visibility since two forms of content that don't mix well wouldn't be competing with each other.

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Also @liondani i'm disapointed that you abused the crossposting feature voting the original and the cross-post... now we are gonna have to change it. It wasn't being abused much in practice... you were one of the only examples of abuse people brought to us and now people think we made a bad product (even though they lack or refuse to give us evidence) But it's fine because we are figuring out something better so such is life.

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To be frank, this type of abuse was brought up as a conjecture when the feature rolled out.

I personally have found it useful in promoting some undervalued posts and direct them to relevant communities.

This is why we can't have good things.

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I am voting most of times for visibility! I think the solution to this "abuse" would be to give the option to vote on comments and posts just to boost visibility and Decline the rewards! A BOOST button that allows you to use your MAX voting power but has no impact on rewards but ONLY boost visibility (gets the comment higher, makes the post appear higher on trending etc.)!

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That makes sense and I understand the desire.

The comment maker decides the beneficiaries so it's not like we can send your vote rewards to null. But you are talking about your 50%... I'm unaware of how that can be done.

I as well vote a lot in order to impact visibility or even ordering of comments

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You are doing a very useful job for the community by tracking down system abuse. Thank you for your work.

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Thanks for being on top! As a non self voter I hate these.

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lol what drugs are you on?
marky is one of the biggest self voters ever! he just uses a bunch of other accounts to do it.
I am also shocked that you would condone themarkymark flagging accounts because someone he does not like voted for them?
This mentality needs to stopped not encouraged because if it is not stopped it will become extremely unattractive to use and suffer a loss of value and users.
They did the same thing with steem and you are encouraging the same mentality hear?
are you sure you want to do that?

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I noticed that you started curating my posts which I appreciate, thank you. I also just noticed though that you are double curating my posts. I started posting in communities since the tags on Hive don't seem to be very effective. I also cross posted my most recent two articles into other communities in order to get them seen by a larger audience. I noticed today that your automated curation is double voting the same post. I'm not trying to abuse the platform or peoples votes, just trying to figure out the best way to be seen here. This is why I am informing you. I dont want to lose your support so Im wondering if your autovote can be altered to only vote an article once. If not I'll probably just stop cross posting. I'm still trying to figure this new platform out hahaha. If you have other suggestions let me know.

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I have been following @liondani for a few years now and I hardly see him post. I don’t think he would be doing it to milk the rewards like that. Thanks for the thread though as it gives some insights into his reasoning for what he did.

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And there goes his chance of ever becoming a consensus witness.....

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!dramatoken

(Is that a thing on hive yet?)

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no, whatsup, forgot his exact name, said he hadnt ported it the other day

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Hi to all.
I am a new user to Hive lately I've uploaded some material trying to see how the platform works and to come in contact with other users
The platform introduced to me by @liondani and helped me create a community. For a new user is not so easy to make an account such as Facebook and this is a subject that is probably have to consider the developers.Hive seemed to me a good way as I am in quarantine because of covid-19 and I belong to vulnerable groups. Unlike expectations sadly and with great regret I found myself in a discussion which forced me to apologies for who I am and worst of all is that they tell bad things about @liondani who introduced me Hive with better words. From the post I've uploaded only two are from the youtube and the rest are from my personal collection of torrents.What I would suggest is when someone unvotes to make a comment on why he did that so the new user will know why was unvoted and become better.Finaly regardless of the rewards is unfair to blame someone who just helps like @liondani

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Conclusion: ¡ASSUMPTIONS! isn't this cute how assumptions improve and enhance the Interaction & Engagement?

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@themarkymark Hello again
@liondani You should learn to meme. It makes one feel better.

Also, idk the full scope of the situation.. I am just here for the LULz on this one.

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So this is the reason you downvoted the comments on my post @themarkymark?

This was @liondani's thank you to everyone who donated. So should we stop voting comments then?
@Liondani has also been delegating a huge ammount of SP to our community and supports a ton of people I know with his generous upvotes.

I do not think accusing someone publicly + boosting your post is the right way to solve this.

I am not here to fight, I am here just to express my own view of things. I believe this post is completely offensive to @liondani and you are accusing a man who really offers to the community.

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Thank you for your support @knowhow92. It really means a lot to me.

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It's just the truth man.
I thank you for your support all this time.
I wish more witnesses could follow your example and start involving and supporting various niche communities.
Much love @liondani

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So much stupid shit in this comment section. I really want to point out how idiotic some statements here are but i really dont feel like getting into an argument for the sake of something i find minor at best. Looking at his curation payouts it doesnt seem he is 100% selfvoting. (What tool do you use since we dont have steemworld anymore)

Its pretty simple imo. If you disagree, downvote. Unless its some major douchebag like Haejin that 100% 10 times a day i dont find it worth making a big deal of. Thats about it..

Oh and why arent you 100% upvoting your posts? Only 20%? Thats fucking strange if you ask me.

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Selfvoting I'm fine with, Crossposting I'm fine with, the double selfvoting with crossposting kinda sucks nice to know its getting fixed.

Posting other peoples content and getting rewards? NO. absolutely not ok.

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a flag war at the beginning of the vaxxwars? interesting :).

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A system which can be abused will be abused...

The vast majority of posts by the majority of users have been, are now, and will be forever both ignored as well as mostly unpaid. And that's perfectly fine, as long as most account holders understand that basic principle of "popular" voting.

If the system allows self-voting and multiple accounts, why would anyone who can profit by doing so not do so?

Any system which depends on pure altruism is going to be manipulated by those with less altruistic motives.

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Great job!! I'm very happy you are fighting him!! When he promoted his shitpost with Youtube video, I made a comment under his post sharing another video that is a parody of that movie with a tons of swearing words!! And he downvoted me, probably without understanding what the video says because it is in italian.
But now I understand why he downvoted me, it is because I didn't respect their third rule....(You shall not take the name of th lord your god in vane bla bla bla) LOL

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