LEO is a great guide to POB
I met the LEO community in early March 2021. And I looked like someone who was relearning to walk. My posts didn't have the formatting and content that today's posts do.
But I had one thing, the desire to learn from those who were already there.
I wondered, and sometimes I still wonder, "Are these people on the Trending Page really producing quality content, or are they just the favorites being voted on?"
I left my prejudgment aside and started following these posts, reading what they were bringing in information, and mostly reading the comments.
We often forget, but comments can be much more gold than posts sometimes.
Then came the POB community, and there I was, trying to figure out what the hottest posts were bringing in content, so I could understand what the community wanted.
And in the end I got two very valuable things. Tokens (in the case of POB which allowed me to have a small relevance that I have today) and Knowledge (in the case of Leo).
It's amazing how the LEO community really takes finance matters seriously, each expressing their opinion on how they think the market will act and exposing facts they think are important.
There is no one who is right or wrong, but the various opinions give us a lot of material to read, study and learn, and this has enormous value.
Because POB is a general topic, it often leaves some users at a loss for what to talk about, and others who pick up the topic of the week and try to express their opinions about it.
But I believe that any user can raise an important issue and bring valuable content to him. I see many users who produce a lot of good stuff here, and I feel that even being a post car accident community, we have a lot of willpower and knowledge for even a small user to reach a large number of users with their publication.
I will raise the PobTalk issue again. According to @interpretation data, PT represents 10% of all community engagement, and this is something very significant since the comments that roll there are usually relevant.
There has even been a topic raised about whether we have a witness representing the POB. And as far as I know we don't have, there is a great opportunity for someone to apply as well as LeoFinance already has theirs.
Use that space to promote your publication and promote the subject you raise, I believe users have a lot to add.
Recently the DCC token was released and I will still post about it, I believe that as we have great content creators in POB, we can use it to help small content creators have a little more relevance.
Let's follow the good steps, ignore self-thinking users, and adapt what works. And the LEO community works. We will continue to walk the steps so that POB continues to function (regardless of unilateral decisions by those who spend more time outside than in the community).
You mentioned this quite perfectly friend. I think since you have both knowledge and understanding of the platform and you have been very valuable to the platform, You should go for POB witness, you really are the one. Leo community has a strong foundation and its time we start building for POB.
POB is a general topic community. It gives broader topics to be published. I think this decision will benefit to the POB since not all people are good at mastering a cryptocurrency topic. The contents can be various from humour, contests, politics and culture. They are all great.
It is important to have someone to follow and from whom to have an example, but just as the Leo community is applied in its field of work, POB also has its example to follow and you are the leaders of the community. In general, the smallest will always follow the largest, either by popularity, influence or experience. So as you are better, the community will surely be better and each member will give their best to be able to measure up ... Great and good things are truly being done here and you are one of its main actors, friend, My congratulations.
I'm not too familiar with the leofinance community but the few posts I've read there are very educative on how to secure and invest our money, I learnt a lot from them.
I'll still say POB community is the best for me even though I'm not supposed to compare hahaha
Since I joined, I've been learning variety of new stuffs that I don't think I would have known on a norm.
And I agree with you that comments are much more gold than posts, I've seen it and it's true.
Can't you bee the witness representing POB? It'd be cool 😊
Waw I love this .. let's I forget you mentioned of the #pob-talk have been touring on the chain searching for #pob-talk since I am bored but I couldn't find it @vempromundo I think there should be a way by adding it to the community list ....I will really appreciate that if you can do so thanks @vempromundo
I was looking for the guide about how to do what LEO people doing. And I've seen you talking about comments. It's something really important. I don't know why no one still care about comments while it's really important. I already asked the developers to add the most commented posts to their tools here : https://hiveengine.usehive.com/ and https://hivelayers-stats.herokuapp.com/ but they didn't do that yet. I hope they will do that in the future. I'm really interested to see the most commented posts to support. Sometimes we ourselves write so important posts and they get commented a lot. I wish that will be seen somehow. I hope as well that the page will be fixed : https://hive.blog/tags that's should show the most commented posts, but it's not. Empty page and that's strange.
Thanks as well for promoting DCC. I hope more people will learn about it and post in #dcc . I see it really important and that could give a lot of attention to those who are doing well.
It's a complicated puzzle of communities in Hive. They are made to compliment each other and build from each other. When we get that straight we may be able to build something that works.
One day the whole world will want to use POB because with just a push of a button they can meet all their friends and none of them can be disbanded because it is decentralized. That's social media that works.
I find LEO a great platform to learn about finance. I mostly use it just to understand the latest news around the world related to crypto and trust me, it's my source of knowledge. There are some really heavy bloggers there whose content is just way beyond amazing.
I find LEO a great platform to learn about finance. I mostly use it just to understand the latest news around the world related to crypto and trust me, it's my source of knowledge. There are some really heavy bloggers there whose content is just way beyond amazing.
Yes, I always follow what they say too, because they are well-founded opinions
good points!
on a side note: anyone can confirm that delegations to @proofofbrainio currently do not get processed? I undelegated as a result, but maybe there was something wrong on my part
They happen when he wants to, and if he wants to. The very rules he established for delegation he did not follow.
oh, okay... didn't know that (seems a bit strange)
Huh? I'm sure they were followed. 3:1 Hive delegations and delegations for people who show merit. Your comment is sounding quite passive aggressive and the post you made the other day wasn't exactly subtle. Ease up, we're just getting stabilised after the recent qualms.
@tobetada he's AFK right now, I'm sure you'll receive the delegation when he returns.
So you should pay more attention. On the first day that the delegations were made, they were no longer followed, and I made sure to expose this on Discord so that there would not have to be another post about it, but if that's the problem I register on the blockchain as well.
As you can see, 10 days ago I sent him a non-passive aggressive message asking him to review this situation.
And nothing was done.
So I went to the Discord server to expose the situation (I could have made a post and I didn't, because I hoped this could be resolved without having to expose it to the community)
Rule he stipulated:
Amount that the user has delegated:
Amount of PobPower the user had on the day (which according to the rules would not be eligible to receive delegation):
First delegations @proofofbrainio made (with the delegation to the user who already had a non-eligible value to receive PobPower):
Question I made on the server on the day of the event:
You even knew about the situation, since you were at the time I was talking about it on the server, and you even came up with possible explanations. Are rules to be followed, or will @proofofbrain again establish rules that only apply to a certain group of people? We've already seen what happened the last time he did this.
Now let's read what rules @proofofbrainio has assigned to the merit delegation system:
Let's pay attention to two phrases he used:
"I am also going to make some delegations to people that are adding value to the platform."
and
" I also like to see engagement."
If you're a community member, you've probably seen @interpretation's reports on community engagement, the engagement @proofofbrain said he likes to see.
In case you haven't seen it, I bring here @interpretation's own words about PobTalk
What support did @proofofbrainio give to PobTalk at a time when the community loses engagement week after week and PobTalk grows each week, representing about 10% of all community engagement, as we can see in the words of @interpretation?
Do you ask me to be calm in a scenario of uncertainty? Calm down I would have if we had an active administrator, who cared about the community to the point of taking care of it or passing on this responsibility, and not someone who does not know when it will go away, if it will go away, what time it will come back, or if it will come back.
But apparently you must know him to be so sure that he will return and do the delegation to @tobetada, as you stated above: "I'm sure you'll receive the delegation when he returns."
I'm not that sure, you are.
@proofofbrain TODAY, he is not a man of confidence, he is not a man of his word. Hopefully that will change IN THE FUTURE.
If you're going to lose the plot over 23 POB, that's on you. It looks like @uwelang powered up after sending the HP, proofofbrainio saw that and then decided to go ahead with it anyway? Who knows, it seems like wasted energy to worry about imo.
My comment just highlighted what I thought the intentions behind the delegation drive was. Is the issue because you weren't able to get the delegation for HP and uwelang was? I'm not sure what the serious issue is with it.
Yeah. I just noticed the recent post and this comment and felt like you're a bit on edge. Just ease up. You are a top influence on the platform, if you want to grab the pitchforks and go wild then so be it, not sure what benefit it will bring though. The platform is still sailing, just people aren't getting as many votes, some have been working on solutions for that too.
I sent a message, got a reply, was told he'll be back soon. I'm not 100% certain, but moderately confident. I'm not sure why you are doubting him not delegating when it's a 3:1 and the benefit is for the community? Plus the other delegations are still up? I'm not following your logic there.
Anyway, good work with POB Talk. People in the community need a place to bond, POB Talk provides that. What additional support does POB Talk require at the moment? It seems like it is holding itself up well which is a good sign.
I am tagged :-)? I always become frightened in such cases - if anyone wants the delegation that I might not deserve (3-1 Hive to PoB) let me know.......
In my opinion you should continue with the delegation. My only problem is @proofofbrain's silence.
My problem is with the pillars that support the community. And omission is not a pillar.
So far, several new ways of governance have been discussed by me, @amr008, @scholaris.pob, and several other users, and everything is in the air, because the owner of the keys is not here to hear what the community wants.
Cheers mate - the absence is never a good sign.
I will say again what I said on June 20th.
This has nothing to do with @uwelang or any other user, so much so that I didn't talk about it anymore after I exposed the problem, nor did I claim to remove the delegation. I just pointed out the situation.
And right below my comment @scooter77.pob asked the same question I still ask myself.
Upon noticing the problem, he could easily communicate that yes, he would keep the delegation, since being a very small amount, he would see no need to undelegate.
But again he opted for silence.
About PobTalk it's not about what I think, what you think, or what anyone else thinks, it's about what the rule he established says.
People who frequent PobTalk would be delighted to see their effort being rewarded. Just as you see through @amr008's project engagement reward. This does not differ from PobTalk's proposal of rewarding players as well.
Glad you get an answer from him, unlike other people. I will indicate you when a new user needs to clear any doubts, apparently you have this privilege of getting answers from the tourist community that others do not have.
I believe the community has this answer, not me, I'll leave it to them to answer.
Lack of communication, fair enough. Long trip to get round to that answer, I can't help but think a more direct approach within a post would have been more productive, maybe with a solution for how community updates could be handled (potentially from a spokesperson). Much better than referring to someone as a chimpanzee after their votes and support put you in the position you are in now.
Well, I don't send messages saying "Please check before delegating PobPower in exchange for HivePower" as a first response to a situation, insulting somebodies intelligence. Again to the chimpanzee post, I would also not insult somebody in such a weak way, especially someone who went out of their way to support me.
Respect is a two-way street.
Well, if you are supporting peoples comments with upvotes, @amr008's project is supporting people with upvotes, and people are benefiting well by interacting with one another on a regular basis, what are your thoughts about additional support? Falling back on "the community has the answer" is a bit of a cop out, it's your initiative, what would you like to see?
You can't exactly cry that it's not getting support and then not stand behind the community of POB Talk and state what you want for it.
Because he rewards posts I made with my effort, do I have to say amen to everything he does wrong?
This sounds to me like a populist politician's speech saying "Look, I made this hospital with the tax money I took from you, thank me for that."
Do you really want to talk about respect?
What respect did @proofofbrain have with @azircon mutating him? How much respect does @proofofbrain have for community members just disappearing and leaving everyone unanswered? What respect does @proofofbrain have for not complying with the demands it made in its rules?
I'm already vaccinated with these people, friend, I live in Brazil, every day there's a different politician giving a nice speech while he doesn't care about you.
@proofofbrain who must work hard to win back the respect of the community and investors.
I've already said what I want to happen from the first moment.
Stability.
That when requirements are set for a reward, and that requirement is met, that the reward will take effect.
This is what I want.
As you said, I am one of the great voices in the community. And it would be very wrong of me to remain silent about the big problems.
If I, who have a certain relevance in the community, don't get answers, imagine who is just starting?
My audience is made up of people with little POB and few connections, and I feel responsible to be their voice.
This wasn't my point. My point was about the insulting nature of the post. Your post showed a lack of integrity from my point of view.
And again, because my other point was about the insulting nature of the message, that's why you may not have received a reply back. Nothing more than that. The respect between proofofbrainio and the community is a different matter entirely.
What does this mean? What is the requirement? What is the reward? This is not actionable.
The POB Talk post is stable. You can copy paste it every day, people can come and talk about whatever they like, they'll get rewards? I'm lost. What is more stable than that? You've already managed to provide 10% of the engagement for the platform, sky's the limit.
Need more rewards on the POB Talk post? Move it to your vempromundo account where your autovotes will support it. Need more upvotes on peoples comments? You're a big stakeholder.
Nothing wrong with voicing your concerns. Just the way you do it might not be the most productive.
Another reason why care should be taken when voicing your concerns.
There is a huge gap between the question I asked him, and the post, so yes, I arrived friendly initially, and then I went to the humor line, after all the complaints he called drama, so I decided to stop drama and bring fun.
From the post's comments I believe people laughed rather than dramatized.
Maybe you went straight through the images I left above, but no problem I put them back here.
The rule about engagement:
The opinion of a third party, in this case @interpretation, (with data) on engagement being achieved:
It's not about rewards, votes, or anything else. It's about people seeing that the community administrator has set a rule that the engagement merit would be rewarded and it wasn't. It's not about numbers, it's about principles.
We are clearly sending the message that no matter whether or not you bring engagement to the community, the administrator will only support projects that he/she deems worthy of such and that he/she will not follow the rules that he/she established.
Again his own phrase: "I am also going to make some delegations to people that are adding value to the platform." "I like to see people helping to distribute POB through curation and delegation to smaller accounts that are adding value. I also like to see engagement."
These are not my words, a mere user, these are the words of the account that manages the community.
I think it's been more productive than omitting @proofofbrain. I wouldn't need to be talking about any of this if he was taking a stand and directing the community.
Now do I have to sit still waiting for him to come back?
I haven't seen you create any publication bringing more productive solutions. When you have one, show me that I will have the pleasure of reading it.
They are free to come in my publication to say if I am doing something wrong or right, as it happened once before, and I have changed some attitudes, as can be seen in this publication.
The difference is that it won't take me more than a day to give them an answer about my attitudes, unlike our great administrator who nobody knows when he will give us an answer.
I see. It is about the delegation then, I thought I was missing a point but we got around to it eventually.
Why don't you make some suggestions for who @proofofbrainio should delegate some POB to for their engagement in POB Talk? That might provide something actionable that can then be reviewed. You'll know better than anyone who has been provided the most valuable engagement consistently and has added the most to the initiative.
That's a bit of a low blow, lol. I posted a publication 2 days ago featuring a project that directly aims to tackle reward distribution (it's been confirmed to go ahead also). WOTW is still ongoing too and provides both engagement and quality content. I'm very much into big picture thinking though, I can understand how some ideas I have may not seem as productive or valuable in comparison to other ideas/initiatives.
It would be the same as saying not to delegate to @amr008, but to whoever he votes for. After all, he better than anyone else that "has been provided the most valuable engagement consistently and has added the most to the initiative."
However, I think this subject has already been extended enough, and I think it is necessary for me to make a post, which I am currently writing
Not really. @amr008.pob votes using a complex script which determines quality engagement on a large scale platform wide. When I delegate to @amr008, I know that the people who provide the most value through engagement daily (platform wide, not just on a post), will be rewarded because the script is top notch and we've all seen it in action. Hats off to you for dropping that comparison though, lol.
I didn't even realise you wanted the delegation (well I kind of did, I'll not blatantly lie), we were discussing how POB Talk and the community could get the support it needs, not you personally. I made the suggestion to nominate some of the top contributors to POB Talk because I think they have added more value than yourself since you're just copy and pasting the post and drawing a lottery (I might be way wrong but after checking the posts, that is what it looks like).
How is getting a vote from the lottery in-keeping with the Proof Of Brain ideals? (this is where I find the comparison between yourself and amr quite funny). (Made an edit: didn't realise there was two lotteries, the extra lottery sounds a lot like vote buying).
Another thing that I'll add, we spoke a couple days ago about using your influence wisely, and within a day you had rallied up people on POB Talk to make posts calling for you to get the delegation. That is bonkers from my point of view and if you can't see that then I'm seriously wasting my time even typing this comment.
We're on Proof Of Brain, just in case you forgot.
You are exposing the reason for your delegation. @proofofbrainio has defined rules for his delegation, and the rules must be followed (or at least they should).
Again, the rule that @proofofbrainio defined was to delegate to people who were adding some value to the platform, and I believe that I did bring some value to the platform by creating PobTalk. If for you 10% of total platform engagement is nothing, I disagree.
I believe that both users should be rewarded as the creator of the initiative. It's very easy for you to say "people are engaging, not you, anyone could create PobTalk", well, the gap to create was there and nobody created it, and I did. I do believe that anyone who creates something that generates value for the platform must be rewarded, again a rule that has been established.
I don't care for your subjective opinion, I stick to objective criteria and it doesn't matter how much narrative you use to say whether it's good, bad, whether I deserve it or not. I stick to what the rule says and just that.
Congratulations, beautiful segregation. Say that PobTalk users who make fewer comments aggregate less than those who make more comments. If you followed PobTalk you would see that everyone considers themselves eligible to receive awards, since one alone does not generate anything if there is no other user to answer it.
And to reward the top contributors, @amr008.pob already exists, so you're saying I should do the same as another user already does? I brought up another alternative, which again was a requirement of @proofofbrainio, and the community liked the new thing. But apparently your word is worth more than the users who are frequenting PobTalk.
Vote buying? If you again did your homework before talking nonsense that can be verified on the blockchain (it's hard to argue against data that is written forever on networks, isn't it?).
Tell me how something can be a vote buying when someone pays and doesn't get anything in return?
You can even check the stats I put on who won and how much.
A quick example I can show you is the report [Pob Talk Statistics - June 13th to June 19th](https://www.proofofbrain.io/hive-150329/@vempromundo.pob/pob-talk-statistics-june- 13th-to-june-19th)
Users @gimmetricks1 and @elricmoonslayer purchased the ticket and didn't win, so they spent 1 POB each and didn't get anything in return. How can this be a vote purchase when you pay and don't receive?
This accusation is very serious and I will not forget it.
Again you making lying accusations, and again me thanking you that everything on the blockchain is documented and I can leave it here for everyone to see you're lying.
At NO time have I called people to post on the subject.
Let's go to the prints:
Comment I made, asking people what I should do, not THEM.
User @sugandhaseth suggested that posts be made addressing the subject.
My answer was that this would be a good idea, again the idea didn't come from me.
It's good to know that with each passing day we are seeing what the community wants, not being attended to. And that shows a lot about the future of the community.
You beat around the bush for many comments saying that POB Talk needed support before we got to the main point which was that you wanted delegation. You should have just said that from the get-go. I put forward the idea for the contributors of valuable engagement to get delegations. POB said "I like to see engagement.", those are engaging, they would be fit for delegation and recognition (by the "rules").
Well if it was given to those that added value and were consistent, they'd likely upvote and reward the other members in POB Talk, like a network effect. Remember when I mentioned big picture thinking?
Mildly insulting. You have a habit of doing that. I don't think it's nonsense at all.
https://he.dtools.dev/@bankofbrain
https://hiveblocks.com/@bankofbrain
Care to explain?
I don't know what the screenshot proves? That message is rallying when you consider the effect of influence. I'm not that naive.
You don't need to. You're only highlighting your own lack of awareness if you can't see my point.
How about looking at the other rule that was also established: "I am also going to make some delegations to people that are adding value to the platform."
People who add value to the platform, like Amr added with his script and like I added with PobTalk.
You say that I just copy and paste a new post every day, it's like saying that Amr just presses the button for the script to run.
Apparently, it doesn't matter if the person has the idea of taking the initiative from their point of view.
You insulted me first by charging me with a practice I'm not committing.
Zero problems to explain. Since your eyes are only open to see what you want, I can help you.
I said more than 1 time that I would invite people to the POB since I got here, I called Brazilians who were absent from the platform to come back here, I called new users to make an account, and @bankofbrain was one of them.
I explained how the platform works and what are the ways to make a profit, including introducing PobTalk, how to get profit from engagement commenting and through ticket purchase.
It was totally his option to want to buy it, and pay me for it with my country's currency. Just as I could have paid for the mug I bought from POB with community currency.
As far as I know there is no rule against what he's doing.
Will he have to ask you permission for his actions on the platform? If you want, I'll give him his contact so that you can authorize what he can or cannot do in the community.
Since you like explanations and I gave mine, could you give some explanations too?
@proofofbrainio is away from the community for days, when he comes back he doesn't give any satisfaction to the community, the only thing he does is vote for you.
Congratulations 505.67 POB dumped to your account.
You know what, I was even doing another post, but after that I really give up. This community has already shown well which destination it is heading towards.
Where does it say that? This is what @proofofbrainio stated.
"I'm sure there are ways of adding value to the platform that I am not thinking about, so I want to leave room for delegating to anyone that is adding value to the platform."
The word "anyone" is crucial in that sentence. Again though, it was just a suggestion from me, I thought you'd jump at the chance to nominate those who have lifted POB Talk to where it is. It would give them an opportunity to further grow their stake and like I say, it has the benefit of a network effect to support POB Talk further.
I've no idea why you're being a cunt to me. You are the one who transferred 30 POB to an account, they just so happened to transfer the 30 POB back to you for a "weekly ticket"?, and then within a few days they received two 100% upvotes on low quality comments. Plus the account is only 17 days old.
Well, the issue isn't with @bankofbrain, it's with you. No need to use them as a human shield. Send me over his contact info if you like. I'll give him some tips so he can make a great introductory post for the community. You can send him over my discord calumam#4127 if he wants to reach out.
He must have really missed me. I can't answer to the votes, I type, they appear. Whether or not it's a great look, that's something I have to deal with as an individual. My efforts to improve distribution platform wide are the priority this week anyway.
Unlike @proofofbrainio I set rules in my posts and follow, no matter who the person is or how long they have been on the platform.
It's very nasty to condemn @bankofbrain for the choice he made. But what to expect from someone who follows subjective rather than objective principles.
You don't have to worry about how little he gets, in a few days the administrator will come back from a few more vacations and give you another 500 POB vote for you to relax. Hypocritical.
And as I said moments ago, I'll say it again. I quit. You won. I will not fight windmills.
My publications have not received support from you and your class for a long time, in other words, it doesn't make any difference to me anymore.
I end what I have to say here.
When did I say I condemned @bankofbrain? The issue I have is with how the votes were received. I don't think I'm out of line for that either.
You obviously have no clue how stressful it is having to swallow the fact that I've received these votes. My desire for a large stake is very small, my worries for how I'm perceived in the community are much higher. Receiving these votes causes issues there. All I can do is try to provide great value to the platform.
Two weeks ago, it was a good post to start discussion. I don't generally upvote your posts because you receive a good portion of upvotes already, doesn't mean I don't read them, or support your initiatives/efforts.
Won what? You've quit what? There is a stellar opportunity there to provide some solid support for members of POB Talk and you're so wrapped up in yourself that you've completely dismissed that.
Sorry for the trouble @tobetada. I must have missed it. If you still decide to delegate just reply to this and let me know so I don't miss it. I will process it as soon as I see it.
thanks for responding! My delegation is now active
LEO is just a more mature POB. They have their culture set, they had their battles and it is pretty solid in what to expect going to the page. It is what I see POB becoming (but not a finance magazine, but a reader's digest). Step by step.