RE: There is no HIVE community

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You got it. If this is a taboo thing (self vote to rank a comment above the layers of bot comments on a post) then it’s a simple matter to program it into the base layer so that this isn’t a function. If new people come here and “accidentally” do said taboo thing… the humans patrolling the halls with their DV’s are going to pretty much blow them out immediately. We need a friendly Hive that grants true ownership to those poweringUP their Hive. What we have right now is disfunction spread by human hostility. Functional innovation happens with code at the base layer. This is a power play. If you don’t believe me… check out this self vote of a post… I Comment Rank (order comments based on value.) and that’s something completely different… but yeah! Why the double standard right? Makes you wonder… a lot of things! 👇

https://ecency.com/hive-104601/@livinguktaiwan/invitation-to-enter-the-hi-from-hive-contest

This isn’t forward thinking and this isn’t scalable… this also isn’t marketable.

This is human difuctation imposed on legitimate Hive Owners via an abusive subjective and not even reasonable or equal DV.

If this is something that absolutely NEEDS to be on the blockchain… do it at the base layer.

Anything else is extremely detrimental to freedom and ownership on this blockchain. It’s shortsighted and based on human subjectivity.

Until this stops… this isn’t a place I can invite anyone to.

And certainly not a place I can BUIDL a business or invest MY money.

These people are acting like they can tell other owners what they can and can’t do with their own account (and capital). How’s this going to scale?

It just isn’t. It’s time to stop with the excuses as to why distinction persists as it does… it’s time to innovate new and better ways to human.

If we don’t…

We are going to miss the next bull run.

Plain and simple.

Do I want that to happen?

Heck no!

I wouldn’t have invested my time and capital and brought my reputation and business’s to Hive (4 years and counting) if I didn’t believe in this blockchain or it’s people…

But, for me (and many others), what’s happening right now…

Well it’s the last straw.

I hope that Hive is listening… because I am watching carefully to see what happens next over the next 13 Weeks as I power down.

And I have a feeling that I’m not the only person (on and off the blockchain) that’s watching…



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I've never had any of these people actually try to reach out. I've never done anything to them. From what I'm reading they dont actually talk to people about their feelings they just passive aggressively attack them with downvotes. This is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever seen. These are suppose to be witnesses? I even stopped upvoting myself and they still attack me. Even my posts that I never upvoted myself. I mainly just did it to my comments due to the downvote spam un the first place. Maybe fix that and so many people wouldnt in the first place.

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You said it. But here’s what I’m seeing… disfunction leads to disfunction which leads to disfunction. This isn’t vision and innovation at all. This is small minds imposing themselves on other people. They don’t rule the blockchain no matter how much Hive they have powered UP… that would be like your neighbour building a mansion (powering up locally) on a corner lot and because he has more at stake he gets to tell you what to do with your mom and pop shop and your small but modest home next door. This logic is out to lunch.

These people need to respect the other owners living out their lives on the Hive Blockchain. No one knows how deep each other’s pockets are but let me tell you… continue to negatively compound trust like this… and pretty soon their won’t be any chance that those people will reach into their pockets to invest in Hive.

None of this makes rational sense…

And if that’s the actual real world case… you have got to ask why they would power trip like this…

I think they are profiting from manipulating the price of Hive UP and down…

How else can you explain the perpetuation of this amount of short sightedness?

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If any of them pretend to support a "free market" or liberty or whatever, they clearly do not. Unless its calls for violence or someone trying to prey on people or worse kids, then this shit isn't abuse of the platform. Plagiarism? Yeah I can see that being a downvote. The on written 50/50 quoted and content rule I've seen is pretty ok. Those are things you cant really program out but you can change upvote values and things like that. So even if I stop doing what they dislike I still get attacked? And it seems to be that way for a lot of other people. This keeps coming up when I search the chain.

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Yup. It’s becoming very common… and it’s hurting our brandability. We are going to become know for our zero out culture and the abuse of downvote spam. People don’t remember good stuff nearly as much as they remember bad experiences… this is extremely bad for marketability of our blockchain and I’m not going to stand by and say nothing while it happens. I’m a Hive owner with the best of them.

Downvote Spam 👇

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It almost seems as dumb to me as the account that used to downvote anyone who had their downvote power at 100%
https://steemkr.com/hive-175254/@crypto.piotr/enough-is-enough-let-s-all-step-back-and-figure-out-what-can-be-done-to-stop-losing-steem-users

Almost as dumb but that was just more annoying than harmful to the community. At least Hivewatchers and Spaminator (i think theyre the same person or people) will give you a notification, and they are actually looking for something that is actually an issue. They may give a bot alert, but its its still helpful.

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I keep getting spam downvote attacked for I'm not even sure now. It has to be more than just self upvoting. Are these people racists and think I'm not white or a religion they dont like? Cos I'm super light skinned and not religious or anti religious lol. This isnt just attacking me. Its attacking my audience that upvotes me. It negates all their HP and thoughts as well. But we exist. I am used to people bullying me for existing Tbh. It's just sad and a disappointment about the hive community. I had bad respect for one of these people. Nothing I've seen would had made me think they're pro spam downvotes or not communicating a simple issue. At this point I dont even know what I've done wrong since they're just randomly attacking me and apparently many others.

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It’s a DV feeding frenzy and none of it makes sense. It’s like a bad trip at a party… we might have to wait for sense to return to this social environment… but damn is the head ache and mess going to SUCK to cleanUP.

Don’t worry… it’s not like you took candy from a baby… you just “took it” from someone who owns the candy shop… or at least they think they do! 😆

In these situations a social environment of abuse is being perpetuated and it’s pretty hard not to take that personal when they short circuit your value relationship with your audience.

All of a sudden… who are you writing for? It’s as if these people are hovering over your shoulder watching your every move… these people aren’t your audience… and yet there they are… supported by systemic abuse inherent in the system.

No matter how you slice it… just like the UPvote communicates… so to does the DV.

No of this is right and it is only the writing on the metaphorical wall.

I’m sorry that you have had this sort of experience… but I hope that this informs you going forward…

If your anything like me… a freedom loving soul with a heart to help people win…

I think this has still been a very valuable experience… I only hope that it hasn’t hit you too hard and been too painful.

A social environment shouldn’t require this much thick skin or scare tissue to just be and do.

No matter what happens… know that I accept you and none of that is based on skin Color.

We all stand under the same rising Sun. ☀️

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I ain't mad. Just disappointed. This will all end up being public if Hive ever goes mainstream. From searching for posts about it, its looks like theres more and more people speaking up. I can sell off my Hive and just leave enough to daily post then put it all into a community token. Eventually those womt be only backed by Hive. I'll be able to sell WeedCash for Eth straight up eventually. I can focus on Archon or Ash. Actifit is still strong in Steem and about to be on its own Tbh. I literally keep asking for a reason but nah. No one actually wants to communicate so I assume there just being spiteful and childish ans extremely unprofessional, which if you cant take your stake in an asset or business seriously then you shouldnt hodl it. These people would be removed from a board of directors for acting this way. People can't post NFT art anymore? People cant do dailies if their gameplay anymore? Not even sure anymore. These people just wanna troll I guess. I like that gangstalker guy bot spamming everyone more at this point. I didnt do anything to these people. It doesnt really seem like anyone they attack do. They havent said anything to me to have replied in some fashion they would dislike.

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So it’s all nonsense and it will come to public light… this sort of energy has to leave before good things can happen… and if they don’t it condenses down into a mess that no one in their right mind would want to sell.

I’m glad that your being positive about this. Their are so many positive things happening here… if things become bad enough these projects can pick up and leave and many may eventually do that if it becomes blatantly clear. Maybe that’s why they are attempting to use fear tactics to shut people up? I think that could be one of the reasons… but the best way to promote anything to do with Hive is going to be the honest and true way. There are no shortcuts and you can’t do good business with bad players… people will eventually wiseUP to this… I’m just hoping we don’t have to skip another bull run for people to realize this…

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Tbh the rises in Hive I think have been about Splinterlands and other Dapp growth. Not the basic social media aspect. Those dapps wont necessarily cause rises in Hive once Dapp assets can be traded directly for other crypto. Like I can do with Wax already. For some if the big ones it might be more profitable to leave Hive as their base chain / build their own. Theyd most likely still have assets in it like Splinterlands does on Steem. It's not like these people are reading this to actually see I'm ok with not self voting if that's such a huge deal to them or figure out what offends them so much they attack me. But I'm used that that irl. Online its nothing.

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Lol. Is like no one allowed to speak to you?! Or someone they dont like? How dare anyone not agree with them yet still tries to do what they are enforcing.

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It’s like highschool all over again. And if this isn’t group think and a bully clique… I don’t know what it is. 🙃

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