RE: There is no HIVE community
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This is happening everywhere… but in secret. Most people back away slowly and quietly in this sort of social environment. Not me… I’m an advocate for true freedom and I believed, UP until recently, that I was among a progressive crypto community that was actively looking for ways to innovate new and better ways to human… so I’m giving them a chance… but so far people keep on fumbling the ball and showing me their true values…
I’m disappointed but there’s still time… 13 weeks and 3 days to be precise.
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Passive agressive fascism I guess.... I dont spam, I dont plag. I stopped self upvoting since thats the only thing I can figure out I might be doing "wrong". Friends and strangers are telling me the same thing. You aren' the only Hive based project leaving because of it. Unless we pool millions together we are powerless. If any mainstream outlets actually start talking about Hive, this is going to come up to them Im sure. That will then also be talked about and bad publicity is not always good publicity. People aren't going to leave Twitter or Youtube where they can just not post hate or tits and make more money and get a way bigger audience instead of much less while trying not to upset a whale. At least Twitter and Youtube alert me if I made a mistake. I dont go around talking violence or showing my tits so they've never brought that up lol.
Like, you dont need Hive to utilize Actifit. Most big games will bridge over to Eth or Wax or something.
That’s just it. You hit the nail on the head. The longer the people here who CAN change this nonsense take to get serious… the longer they fumble the ball… the more eventual it becomes that there WILL be another blockchain solution that over takes us.
It’s only ignorance or arrogance (ego) or both (which is even worse!) that keeps us from learning from history. All one needs to do is look back (at any technological leap) to realize that there were MANY enterprises that attempted to crack/solve a problem… but when all was said and done… there were only a few that ever made it.
It’s foolish to throw away 1st mover advantage like this.
The work of innovation… it’s NOT done and the sooner people wakeUP and realize this the sooner they will listen to the users and actually make the changes that need to be made.
The longer this takes… the more unlikely we are to be the raving success we could be.
And what a crying shame that would be…
Oreos of blockchain social media will push the Hydrox (did I spell that right) out of the way.
See! This is a common story! Why do we have to repeat the recipe for failure like a bunch of ignoramus?! If it’s going to happen… then ok! But I’m going to speak my peace even if they don’t like to hear it. My heart is and always has been 100% here for Hive and it’s community… let’s hope they see that and start to take constructive action. Let’s see how many bright brains are actually listening and rolling up their sleeves. I’m very interested to see what happens next. And the way I see it… when you understand the fundamentals of why this matters… we don’t have anything to loose by #SpeakingUP. Isn’t that what freedom centric people naturally do?
Remember when a mass of people left steem due to perceived possible blockchain tyranny or centralization? Now it's happening here and people will care again and do. Apparently you don't have personal freedom of your Hive or HP anymore. Or ever did...
So this could very much be an incident of near history repeating itself all over again. It’s a shame to continue to make the same mistakes over and over again… and if that’s the case we only have one option… and that is to take a close look at the leadership and where they are leading us and why they are doing or allowing this.
John C. Maxwell says it best. 👇
I heard him do this presentation live. I’ll never forget that day. IMPACTFUL!
Damn those 13 week powerdowns too. One of the situations where I wanted it shortened to see you go.
Just because I’m powering down doesn’t mean I’m going anywhere. I’m putting my Hive to work where it will do some good.
Besides that… I have never (in 4 years) had a conversation with you until recently… why would I care so much about your thoughts on my coming or going all of a sudden?
Seems a little off if you ask me.
You don’t know me from a hole in the ground… why such a strong opinion about me?
Very odd… lol! 😆
Known you for short period of time and now I know I won't miss you. But good job taking notes on toning down those wall of texts. But if you do stick around, great, keep on #ryzing
At this point… I have to wonder what platform you are actually bringing value too. To be happy when an entrepreneur and investor powers down? Really? My decision to take MY business’s off the blockchain and my investment elsewhere is an example of Hive’s failure to stay relevant and innovative. I have a lot to say about that and if I want to I can speak out on and off the blockchain about this? Everyone is free to have a voice… this place is supposed to champion free speech… what does it say when someone like me makes the call and closes down a business on the blockchain? What does it say when closed minds try to hush someone? It says that things are fragile and that there might even be things under wraps that certain people don’t want light on.
What blockchain are you working for anyways? I’m working for Hive… and I want to give it a chance…
At this point this “text wall” isn’t for you… it’s for the truth seekers who will follow the breadcrumbs. Later will this be an archive of what we are proud of? Or will it be the shame and laughing stock of the wider crypto community?
Based on what you and your gang of bullies are doing… I have my sincere concerns.
This is why I do and say the things I do and say…
And ultimately… it’s not what’s said… it’s what isn’t said… and it’s about what isn’t done.
It's only a cry for free speech when you get downvoted caused by a loss of potential $. When you were talking to frugal, did you happen to see them downvoting livinguktaiwan first and then claim victim when it was their downvotes that poked the nest? I'm sure you'll buy any snake oil as long as it has a branding of bringing the human and positivity.
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I prefer purging fakes and other posers which gives more value to the chain that promoting content thieves to which I don't see in your priorities at all. You see downvotes as a mechanism to silence? I see it as a way to make the legit creator outside the platform feel at ease knowing their thieves get what's due.
Do you want these fakes to have a voice and earn from their theft?
I don’t care about a couple piddly dollars worth in abusive DV’ing. What I care about is that this behaviour undermines the very foundation we, as Hive Owners, are attempting to build upon.
It might surprise you… but not all of us think about financial capital as if it comes 1st.
Entrepreneurs like me are looking at sustainability that can stand the test of time. We are looking 20 years out…
And if the blockchain in its current structure can not retain its social capital… how on gods green earth do you think it’s going to retain business dev and investor confidence.
No sir.
You have me all wrong… expand you mindset.
Hives well-being and future prospects are are risk on right now…
Fixing the DV with further thought and development at the base layer is what will risk off for all of Hive’s owners… and after 4 years… we all deserve a Hive that is innovative and forward thinking.
This sort of mindset is short term and not nearly expansive enough.
All that investor mindset bullocks you spout doesn't mount to anything if people know their content which is the human part on the blockchain can't get some level of respect. Why the hell do you think Blurt isn't even near Hive when you complaining about downvotes, they removed that function and gave people all the voice they have to yell for and what happens to the place? Just a bunch of self voting pricks and cppy paste posts from the Internet.
You want to invest in that type of freedom? There's your answer. No downvotes there.
While you cry for social engagement as a sign of health, the blockchain still moves in $ knowing that value is being put in parts where people don't need to get paid to have an opinion. See Splinterlands.
You think getting paid to blog was a bright idea? It's all paid to have an opinion and hope someone tips you for a job well done or thanks for sharing an opinion. And upvote is an opinion that content should get rewarded and visibility, the same as a downvoted in reverse.
You missed the point. (Could that be because you are listening to respond rather than understand?) Did I ever say get rid of the DV? No. I. Did. Not. I said it needed to be re-thought and intelligently re-innovated. [period]
Suggest to reinnovate how to upvote while you're at it because it's more problematic to see stolen and spam content get rewarded. You want to regulate downvotes like how it should be used? Regulate upvotes too because those can equally be as toxic as downvotes.
I don't tell people what to do with their damn upvotes or downvotes, I'm fine seeing that choice be done freely by them on their accounts. And then take in whatever consequences that come with those actions.
I think your being a bit difficult here. We can’t win the game with defence alone… right now we can’t move past the problems the DV is causing… it’s becoming more and more clear by the day. We don’t want to wait until the music stops to finally sitUP and see the problems for what they are. Stake is stake. If it’s harmful use of stake innovate it at the base layer. Getting a bunch of people to walk the halls does little to actually address the real issues at the root. It, in effect, only makes them worse and also signals to the spammers, scammers, etc weakness. The way to solve a problem is to scale it in code on the blockchain… not throw fallible and limited humans at it. We innovate our way out of the problems we have. We come from a position of true strength. That’s the only way to win. Look… we are all here on the ground floor doing something that’s never been done before… thousands of years of human history have lead us select few to this pin point in time. We can’t think that innovating the future is going to be solved by repeating the mistakes of the archaic past. We are better than that. We have to be better than that! I want to win… don’t you?
Freedom to choose how one uses their downvotes or upvotes. Even gangstalking enjoys this freedom and ain't uncensored by it no matter how unanimous the community dislikes the guy. People can just move 2nd layer without the downvote visible and enjoy the lack of censorship if they built it that way. No need to bother with 1st layer frontends if they are so bothered with mean people taking away their reaards. They could just earn from their community coins if they find value in it.
Doing that is building on sand as I have already said. What happens on layer 1 is a direct result of what happens on Layer 0. We can’t think that by building on a faulty Layer 1 a Layer 2 solution is going to fix the problem. It’s only going to amplify it. Anyone with an understanding of systems could tell us this.
Raw exposure to DV has only spread unfriendliness and disfunction throughout the system… gangstalking is proof of this. Why scale something that isn’t working? How do you market something that’s broken? No amount of flossing over is going to work. Retention is proof and the proof is in the pudding.
By the way… Pomp spoke about what we are attempting to innovate here on Hive today… he talked about why it’s important… and he also talked about what decentralized platforms like Hive need to do to gain market share and why user friendliness from function to community matter. Check it out!
https://twitter.com/wilmetcalfe/status/1447976338548084743?s=21
The difference between this place and Youtube is no one can have the anxiety to get deplatformed by a whim. Have you seen strikes on channels where the AI decides or just people abusing the report button for trolling? people get their channels taken down temporarily for those false DMCA or AI takedowns, we don't get that to happen here. If one has strong political opinions and whackos here they still get a voice and have the damn privilege to point where the source of voice to skull is. They don't tolerate that shit on YT even if it's just expressing an opinion the content gets removed. Here people can get access even if it's "muted"
We are trading one anxiety (abuse) for another. We have got to do far far better than this for this project to have relevance to those considering other options than what’s presented with social2.0. We need to control for negative factors on the blockchain but we need to do it constructively and fairly with owners and freedom in mind. If we can’t do that we will not succeed. People will not invest. Users will not be retained. And ideas (business) can not flourish. After 4 years of being here heart and soul… I know what needs to change on this blockchain and I think that I’m not the only one realizing this. To stay the same is to not grow and become better. If we aren’t growing (at Layer 0 and Layer 1) nothing on Layer 2 will survive. It’s basic fundamentals.
Perhaps we are looking at the problem from two different view points… but I’m glad we had this conversation.
It’s been beneficial.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me.
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@wil.metcalfe
There’s more than one way to look at a problem. That’s the value in valuing people with different ideas and opinions. If you have a culture that doesn’t accept differences you will have solutions that are to narrow and ultimately fail. The world is far to wide and big for this sort of thinking and anything that is derived from a foundation that is too narrow in scope will endUP deficient and marginalized. It’s not the time to regurgitate pre-conceived ideology… it’s the time to unplug from the Hive think and actually LISTEN to the community. A social blockchain like this one will grow if it is listening because it can then have the vision required to innovate the future. The future is far to dynamic for static fixed mindsets. We need real solutions and this isn’t the level of thinking that’s going to get us there. You can’t build castles on sand… you have to build them on well thought out bedrock. Blockchains founded on these fundamentals will stand the test of time and not perpetuate disfunction.
Great job building on those real solutions, by downvoting people you disagree on with your comet wanker, you effectively do the same thing the people you try to accuse being mean only taking a moral high ground. That's the height of hypocrisy. I don't downvote people for their opinions. It's the financial rewards I am taking why I downvote.
You on the other hand, disagree and downvote opinions you dislike. I would understand it if my comments got rewarded and you taking those reaards out is an expression of your opinion. But to downvote even when there is nothing to take from a zero payout comment? Bruh, that's pretty much how bigots work.
Say what you will… but celebrating being mean is so far out of any healthy mindset… being a bully is so far out of any healthy mindset… I’m going to take an opportunity to communicate those values. And bullying and being mean deliberately (in public hidden by a profile) is something that I dislike enough to DV immediately. Do I risk taking singular action? Yes. But so long as there is raw exposure to the DV I will use it to do good. Do I like it? No. I would rather take collective community action. That’s an intelligent response. I have showed you where we are currently… and I have shown you where I think we need to go. I have taken the time to logically discuss this with you. I have even explained why you got those DV’s from @Comet.Ranker in the 1st place. If that isn’t some form of respect I don’t know what is.
Take it or leave it. I hope you consider well what has been discussed here today.
I’m going to give you an full UP vote. I appreciate you taking the time to discuss things with me even if we might have conflicting view points. There’s value in that we connected in some form or fashion.
Have a good day!
I’m about to kick off another full day myself!
@wil.metcalfe
Dunno, some of us have political ideologies unpopular in our local areas that we have to take our privacies seriously. Have you ever received a death threat for speaking out against your local government? then find live ammos sent to your mailbox over the course of months? When you can't trust your own government to protect you. I live in difficult places. You take your freedom of speech for granted. That's why I never understood people crying for downvotes as a means of censorship here. It's just a bunch of grown ass adults who never lived with mortal threats to their being.
I don't think campaigning against downvotes are solved by adding more downvotes. It's just muscling in your belief system on others to conform or get more downvotes. Ironically using the same method the bullies you campaign against. So if your bullies listen to you by using your own force but having a moral high ground, it makes you more right?
Now we are getting on the same page and speaking constructively.
What your describing… the things that aren’t working in your country… (And yes… my heart breaks to hear these sorts of things and I understand why many feel they must hide their identity.) These are the very reasons why we need to continually be developing, innovating, working together to make things better.
We don’t need another reflection of how the world currently is. We need digital freedom so that it can be democratized to every living human on the planet. THIS is why we all need to be open to finding new and better ways to human.
My investment mentor taught me years ago that all investments should be carefully examined (That’s what I have been actively doing on Hive for the last 4 years.) and then those investments need to be inverted.
Both sides of the coin need to be examined for an intelligent decision to be made… and the answer is usually on the edge (innovation) because the world isn’t black and white, right and wrong. (some things are absolutes but most things just aren’t… and those are the things people waste energy and time on fighting about.) Most things are complex and relative. They change with time, place, person, and situation.
The answer is in all of us realizing that Hive is a tool. It is a technology and therefore needs to be evaluated continually on the results it is producing.
We don’t want to scale the worlds problems here in blockchain form… we want to scale real world solutions rapidly and online.
That’s why blockchain exists in the first place.
I’m actively surrounding myself with these sorts of people… and I’m looking for people who want to make the world better.
That’s what I invest my time in. That’s what I invest my expertise in. That’s what I invest my passion in. That’s what I invest my capital in. And I invest in people who want to do this…
When I came to Hive 4 years ago… that’s what I invested in.
Has the story changed?
Well…
I’m currently inverting the story so I can see for myself.
You experienced a little of this…
It doesn’t feel good to have a DV… and really the DV is only their for the untouchables to use.
It is clearly a mechanism to own smaller accounts and perpetuate group think.
I tried it out.
I tried to use it for a good purpose…
Did that work?
I don’t know… but what I do know is that it lead to us talking at depth. (Is this a form of respect? Sure… even if the words used weren’t always respectful I think we have come to understand each other a little better.)
I made up for your downvote with an UPvote to show you that I ment no harm… and only wanted to signal a message to you.
Did it get your attention?
Yes.
But did it get your attention in the right way?
Perhaps not…
But with all the hostility happening on the blockchain…
It was worth a shot.
I’ll give it a 50/50 grade.
I don't harbor any specific personal drama talking to you. If you're talking about the recent downvote made on your comment, I follow a trail and it's inconvenient to unsubscribe for me. I personally don't find any sense downvoting something that has no potential payout (other than it being an automated spam) because it's a waste of dv mana compared to other things that it could be used for.
I think putting your efforts into a productive and positive direction is something worth respecting. But I still stay firm that if you're going to downvote mean comments (that have no payout and just for the sake of disagreeing) it's not really changing people's stand at all. It's just muscling staked power and no different from what the bullies you identified against.
I don't see downvotes as a means of censorship. I've seen people get muted and have a low rep but conversing with them seems fine. Like the tag doesn't even make sense but ok I suppose some are bothered with the label but not me. It's a just a matter of putting the extra effort to click "display comment" that makes what they have to say visible.
Harmful content should be down voted. Spam (as agreed upon by the community) should be down voted. Plagiarism should be down voted. But before it’s blindside downvoted… it should, obviously, be brought in a structure and methodical well laid out and transparent way for the COMMUNITY to decide. Any other ways trades one abuse for another.
I have seriously given this plenty of thought… accusations of this nature from people who don’t know me, hide behind anonymous accounts, jumping to assumptions, levying labels, and spreading lies… does little to encourage any sort of trust and mass adoption from high value accounts.
A coded DV structure that’s not fully thought through and developed only detracts away and spreads disfunction where it doesn’t need to be. Instead of BUIDLing we are busy fighting ourselves.
That’s energy miss-spent.
I have told you clearly my point of view and why it is that I am of this mind.
My people will respect my honesty…
I don’t care what anyone else thinks about me… so long as I continue to speak truth and compound trust… that’s what matters to me.
Social Capital always proceeds Financial Capital.
That’s my value set.
And those who know me and have been my audience for the past 4 years… those people know what I’m talking about and why I’m talking about it.
Conform to a consensus on how downvotes should be used? Sounds like centralized opinions on how things should be done. The same demons you try to purge.
What it does is it bring every owner that cares about Hive and it’s future together. Rather than a few in a closed group deciding what constitutes the required DV it brings everyone together and scales the solution at the base layer. You can’t scale a centralize solution. If you attempt to it only ends up excentuating human failings. If we bring everyone together we send a clear message against spammers, plagiarists, and people creating harmful content… that we as a community are willing to collectively (our strongest position) defend our freedoms. We are all responsible for this and the more people we can get to pare their ownership freedom with the responsibility required to adequately protect AND market the blockchain the sooner we can all stop fighting ourselves and continue building better ways to human TOGETHER!
Do you see the vision?
I just see this voting activity done by comet wanker. Do your delegators even know youre using the account to vote on your own comments?
Go check. I explained why those DV’s happened. Have a good day and I hope that calm and clarity are a part of your day. 🙏