Experimental Gene Therapy is not a Vaccine

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I was talking to my dad the other day, and he recommended that I write about some of the things we were talking about. The topic of conversation was -

'What's the difference between all these vaccines?'

Let's start with what is the definition of a vaccine. Here is the classical definition of a vaccine, used since vaccines were invented somewhere around 1796.


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Vaccines were initially developed from the observation that exposure to some lessened version of a virus could stimulate the bodies natural immunities to help prevent a stronger version of the very same virus.


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Recently, approximately within the last 30 years, there have been a lot of development around genetic modification, especially in a cluster of technologies and innovations collectively called 'CRISPR', but also referring to 'Cas9' technology. Here is some general information from google, with sources listed in the image:


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Based on my understanding of this wikipedia article, the CRISPR is the part of the DNA that has to do with anti-viral response, and working with a certain enzyme, which is a protein that transforms something, scientists are now able to 'edit genes within organisms'. The method is by 'site-specific DNA mutations in human DNA'.

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It was in this line of research, of looking to modify the behavior of living cells in the body, that a technique was developed in 2005 to design a 'hybrid mRNA that could sneak its way into cells'.


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Through this discovery and subsequent development of 'mRNA platforms', there is now an experimental treatment to cause change within our cells. This treatment is being called a 'mRNA vaccine'. Let's break that down a bit.


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By the good old definition of vaccines, as seen above, this is NOT a vaccine. Just this year though, a move is underway to change the definition of a vaccine. This new definition would make a 'mRNA experimental treatment' into a vaccine.


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It is not my place to make the linguists case, but words indeed do change their meanings over time. My concern here is only that the use of attenuated virus, that is weakened or dead virus, has a long 200 year history of use and development, by the original definition of vaccine, vaccines are one of our greatest human heritages. Synthetic Substitutes on the other hand, 'used to stimulate the production of antibodies' has only been going on for about 10 years. It certainly appears that these tools could be used to induce changes in the human body, and that a large scale experiment is under way to 'find out more'.

Israel, for example, has placed their entire country under a controlled experiment managed by Pfizer. The results seem to be that Pfizer mRNA vaccine is working great!

Here is a break down by the New York Times on how the 'Johnson and Johnson vaccine works. It is a little different than the Pfizer or Moderna. Here's the CDC on how mRNA vaccines work:


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You see, they say, it doesn't change your DNA, it just enters your dendritic cells in your lymph nodes and instructs them to make a piece of the virus. This piece of 'spike protein' is supposed to work like an attenuated virus. You body is supposed to react to it and then produce antibodies and 'T-cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection'.

Why would they spend so much time, effort and money to make your body 'make its own' vaccine internally?

This has something to do with the general failure to make a working vaccine against 'the common cold' which includes rhinovirus groups and corona virus groups among them. Your body reacts very vigorously against the presence viruses, and the autoimmune response is what causes the symptoms associated with the illness. To say this in another way, our bodies are already very good at fighting these virus groups, but the symptoms are the way which we do it.

Especially young people with healthy immune systems are seeing intense side effects with these mRNA treatments because their immune response is so strong! Take a look at Why Are COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Worse After the Second Shot?.


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Side effects ... are more common after the second dose because your immune system recognizes the virus spike protein and mounts a stronger response. ... Younger people .... are more likely to develop side effects from the vaccine.

Faith in Science

As a way to conclude this section, I will remind everyone what this 'science' thing is that everybody seems to get so hot over.

The Scientific Method is a process of Controlled Experiments coupled with Observation. Observations on the experiments are used to refine the understanding of 'how stuff works', and define further rounds of experimentation.


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These mRNA vaccines are currently being tested on the elder populations around the world. These drug companies have guaranteed contracts to sell their products to civilian governments who have never been good at responsibly managing money.

Now we are entering into the observational phase of the trials, even as there is continued pressure to get 'the vaccine'.

None of the 'vaccines' are FDA approved.

While the FDA has issued Emergency Use Authorization, they have not actually approved any of them. They might do it, if the results of the current trial of human testing are positive. But we don't know that yet.


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The Food and Drug Administration in the US declares that in the event of an emergency (like a 'pandemic'), they can declare Emergency Use of an experimental treatment to be authorized, as long as there is no other treatment. Here it is from their website:


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Source: FDA.GOV

This criteria, the 'no adequate, approved and available alternatives' is the exact reason that Trump's early talk about Hydroxychloroquine, one of the WHO's list of 100 most essential medicines, was suddenly declared dangerous and 'proved ineffective' after several quickly put together studies applying it in exactly the wrong way (in late stage cases instead of 'early and often').

It is the reason that Ivermectin is never talked about on the mainstream news.


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The reason that no one has discussed the need to take vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc, and their relation to inhibiting getting sick in the first place.


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For if there ever came into view that there was some appropriate treatment for this corona virus, then suddenly the current human trials of the mRNA treatments could not be approved by the FDA.

Poor outcomes with COVID are highly correlated with obesity. From the CDC website:


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Source: CDC.GOV

So what does it all mean?

From all this information, I choose to draw the following conclusions for my own life:

1. Stay healthy, and exercise!

My main exercise comes from walking, and I continually try to choose walking over driving as I move around our small town. I have also taken a conscious effort to eliminate sugary drinks from our lives! There is no reason to drink soda, ever. This may be hard, but instead of soda I drink water or beer.

2. Eat healthy foods!

Especially foods rich in vitamins C and D and zinc. Eat less! I also use water only fasting or intermediate fasting techniques - fasting can be quite unhealthy if done wrongly so take the time to learn about it if you are going to do it.


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3. Maintain a positive attitude!

I am determined to maintain a positive attitude about my own ability to understand this information. I get the feeling that the 'powers-that-be' or maybe the 'people-who-sell-vaccines' want me to believe that this stuff is all much too complicated for us peons, and that we should leave it in the hands of the experts. But I have confidence in my own ability to understand how the world works, to read and comprehend scientific literature, and to tell when I'm being swindled.

These scientists are grasping in the dark but their corporate overlords know exactly what they are doing.


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Excellent, well written and balanced summary of the situation.

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With advancements in this technology, there is now an experimental treatment to cause DNA mutation within humans to make our colds 'less symptomatic'.

It sounds like you might be confusing CRISPR and the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines do not use CRISPR and they do not alter the DNA of cells. They deliver mRNA encoding a viral protein to your cells using a lipid nanoparticle. Your body then creates the viral protein (called an antigen) and builds immunity against it. But no where is your DNA being edited like CRISPR would do.

As our understanding of molecular biology advances, why wouldn't we refine and improve the definition of vaccine? At the time vaccines were discovered, little was known about how they worked. Now we understand more and have more advanced methods to achieve the same purpose.

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This is a good point, I can add more intermediary information in this section of the post to make that point clearer.

I also agree that advancements are good and I support your right to choose to be a part of the trials :)

In my head it was thematically linked to this later section where I explicitly show that it is not DNA mutation:

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but I have now updated the post with more information about the successful introduction of the mRNA technique in 2005.

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Please would you take a look at the updated section, I agree it was quite misleading and that is not my intention because that would take away from some of my valid points!

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I agree there's no CRISPR involved that I've read but as far as changes to DNA, if you ask me, the jury is still out since any long term effects from the vaccines are not known and something as simple as stress can, over the long run, change DNA, epigenetic and environmental DNA changes have long been established.

There's another vital component that he touched upon above which I've found two articles to correlate to. I've been meaning to have done an article on it myself by now by was intercepted by the Easter break period from school and wanting to give the parents a few days off from the kids, trying to concentrate with five kids about gets difficult. Maybe if I am lucky I can get it done tonight.

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The problem with these mRNA vaccines as I see it is that they are programming your cells to make the spike protein on the surface of covid-19. Then your body amounts an immune response to the spike protein.

Just think that through. They are programming your body to basically have an autoimmune reaction. I don't think it is safe and the testing has been inadequate. Some of the people with severe reactions may have already had covid-19, so as soon as their body starts making the spike protein their immune system goes into overdrive attacking healthy tissues.

They also say that the message from the RNA wears off quickly but what if it lasts longer in some people then they think?

I definitely will not be rolling the dice with this technology.

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The reason that haven't been able to make a vaccine for covid is because when they took a live or lab grown Sars virus and injected it into mice it created severe pneumonia in the mice. These experiments were done in China and many speculate this is how the Sars Covid 2 materialized. It sort of makes sense because if you read the papers on it, (I am not a scientist or anywhere near that level of intelligence, so this is in laymen's terms), but in lab settings when creating a virus in a lab they have to substitute by way of finding in other sources materials needed to accomplish their goal. That could explain why they found the pangolin material and two different bat sequences in this virus. It makes way more sense then two bats came together and one happened to bit the other then that bat went on to bite a pangolin and this somehow managed to happen nine hundred miles away from the wet market but got sold at the wet market.

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It is a vaccine, I took the MRNA one, it tricks the body to think it is fighting the real deal, still has same end result. I feel better than ever, I'm glad I took it. Soon I can start going out without worrying.


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I hope of course that it does work!

But I worry that the priorities are skewed:

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Yeah, to tell you the truth, I feel like a brand new person now, just like being rewired. I even feel 10 years younger, which was totally not expected. All sorts of little changes that are amounting to bigger changes. I guess from the smallest level my cells are different now, thus the butterfly effect. There is no going back. Since I feel better, I'm not complaining. I was coughing up some flem like I was sick, but it almost feels like my asthma went away too! Just to be sure I might have to stop my long term puffer soon.

Also I hurt my arm last year and it had been bothering me because the rotator seemed loose, and maybe even had scar tissue. I got the shot in that same arm, then it got tight, popped back in the night of the shot, and now feels good exactly like it should. Maybe all this is in my mind, and the arm thing was just a coincidence, but that might be the point. Thanks! If anything changes I'll let u know!!


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Often the body does not completely heal injuries. The localized inflammation from the vaccine may have tricked the body into going back and repairing more tissue. Prolotherapy is basically a treatment that tries to harness this mechanism .

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There was an article published last October in The International Journal of Clinical Practice that looked at the risk of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) from mRNA 'vaccines' and concluded that the "informed consent process for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials does not appear to meet" medical ethics standards for "informed consent" and "demonstration of patient comprehension" related to the risks associated with ADE.

With what I've read regarding the risks of ADE, I would gladly choose the risks of exposure to the virus over the risks of the 'vaccine'. And I choose this despite the fact that my wife ended up in the ER in December due to her infection with the virus. In other words, I don't take lightly the potential ramifications of the virus; it's just that I also don't take lightly the potential ramifications of the 'vaccine'.

My concern about ADE from mRNA 'vaccines' is heightened by this article published in 2013 in PLoS ONE hypothesizing that the abnormal peak of deaths of 28-year-olds due to the Spanish Flu (in 1918) was likely due to INCREASED IMMUNE RESPONSE resulting from exposure to the Russian Flu 28 years prior:

Since mortality peaks at age 28 in 1918, it seems straightforward to suppose that exposure during development and/or very early in life to the 1889–90 strain led to more severe response to infection in 1918.

The theory goes something like this:

  • Individuals who were exposed to the Russian Flu at a very young age had their immune responses hyper-primed to respond to that particular virus.
  • When they were exposed to the Spanish Flu 28 years later, their bodies over-reacted to the virus, and it was the overactive immune response that actually killed them.

The mRNA 'vaccines' seek to supercharge the body's immune response when it encounters the spike proteins commonly associated with the SARS-CoV2 virus. This is a synthetic (i.e. non-natural) response that is being 'programmed' into our immune systems.

ADE has been observed extensively in animal trials of prior mRNA 'vaccines', wherein the animals who received the 'vaccine' were MORE likely to die when exposed to the wild virus than those that were never 'vaccinated'. This is one of the reasons a 'successful vaccine' for SARS was never developed.

I agree with @ecoinstant  that what we are observing in our midst today is not widespread 'vaccination' but a full-scale global "human trial of mRNA treatments."

As for me and my family, we are opting out of this particular human trial.

As for those who 'opted in', I sincerely hope all goes well.


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Thank you for this great information with links about ADE!

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Thank you for sharing all these extra details.

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The observation that women face side effects more is an interesting one. You should check out this RED Talk in case you have't come across it already:

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I don't know what to say. Here is a different interpretation. For the first two vaccines used - Pfizer and Moderna (which are based on mRNA technology), they say that the second dose gives the body a bit more shock than the first.
For Astra Zeneca, which is based on a live virus, doctors say that the first dose provokes a much more violent reaction in the body than the second. This is probably because three weeks after the first dose, the protection is 70%.
I was vaccinated with the first dose of AZ and was quite ill for a day as if I had the flu. Then everything went away quickly and by the third day, I was perfectly OK.
But here's a lot of debate that Astra Zeneca causes blood clots in the body, so people are refusing that vaccine. I don't know, well, the WHO says like this:
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