What was you experience with onboard people to an Hive DApp?
I've created about 10 accounts for other people and brought them on, well, they all left again in the meantime :D
How about you? Did you fail as well from time and why was that?
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i onboarded some medium Twitter crypto people in the past. Our great community bullies them of in the meanwhile :D
That is very typical, lot's of 'moral' bullies around here.
let's burn the bridge to the network effect
We all like flamethrowers and bad movies
Just how we role here, you pick the wrong #tag, you're done!
Or vote for something a rando whale doesn't like. It's 100% soy to believe hive would scale to the masses without killing POB L1.
If hive would be the neutral carrier of information and Hive token is gas/gov it would work out.
Move away from ponzi rewarding to actual revenue streams from apps would be the next step :D
But hey, i still like it how it is :D Many cool people here to have fun.
We see people making this curation and voting game into a business long before being able to provide really interesting content.
Their sixth sense awakes and this happens
I mean if you talk about how amazing hive is twice a day, you become a top author even if the content is bullshit and has zero value :D
I call it incest content and I'm certain it destroyed thousands of conversions on Leofinance. If you get linked to Leo for an article or from Twitter due to some info on a DAO or whatever was the flavor of the day in the last bull run and everything you see is "We're so great, buy our shit!". Guess what, you turn around and never come back again.
It's really getting high on your fats.
well that sucks. I've seen a couple of cases of folks getting zeroed out because of conflicting viewpoints.
as long hive is not a neutral carrier of information I don't see a way for mass adoption.
POB failed IMO.
#proofofbrain has the single purpose to create a wide distribution, + sell the ponzi as content curation.
look what ocd does.
Upvote people from third-world countries. That's ok. But 80% power down all rewards.
I shared some posts from posh on Twitter, those people start attacking me because of sharing the content, no joke.
Is public on Twitter.
Like stop sharing my content after me, i want the posh rewards.
:D
I mean i don't give a shit, but that is not the idea behind it.
100% inefficient :D
They attacked you for sharing their content? Oh man, the incest is strong within them.
But it's the idea of having professional curators who organize via Discord itself that is already broken. The endless cycle of "Trust me I'll decentralize for you".
Let's burn it all!
Yeah
I started a project called @recording-box to onboard musicians to the HIVE ecosystem with a live musical performance. I showed them how to create an account, self-custody their keys, how to introduce themselves and engage with the community. Out of about 15, they all kind of lost interest. 1 remained quite active though and even onboarded his girlfriend :)
A small victory.
Sounds like you had some success eventually, nice nice.
I invited my brother (@atis94) to the Steem/Hive blockchain five years ago (in 2018). He registered his Steem/Hive account on 2018.01.23. He used the platform for a short time, and then he left. Yesterday (on 2022.11.26) we talked about it, and he did not saved his password, so he cannot even login to that account anymore. Probably many people lost the access to their Steem/Hive accounts this way.
hmm, yeah.. true that.
At least he didn't lose any funds there, he still has an ongoing STEEM delegation coming in.
How much time did you burn to try to get him into the action?
Not much. He registered relatively quickly. But he also left the platform very quickly. He have not used the platform since then.
Just looking around here at your commentary. Thinking: Maybe it's your attitudes?
LOL
I'd hope so, usually, my online persona is a lot lighter than my persona in person. Wearing suits and talking straight, being boring, and tackling the work in from of me. I got old way too fast.
I think most of the time people onboard content consumers but tell them they have to create content. Of course that isn't going to work. It's like inviting someone to a hockey game, then telling them to go play.
Set people up for failure then blame the platform. Rinse and repeat.
Yet this is the only place they can get paid for buying a ticket and get paid for enjoying the game. As soon as that clicks, everything changes...
The Chain is pretty innocent in that game, the Frontend runners are pretty decent altogether, while organized curation is a totally out of control and has burned most of the people I've put on the chain.
For example by using the tag #gaming in the wrong context and then getting downvotes by the Hive Gaming curators. Or my nephew who just dropped some MEME and played some Hive based games, RIP https://peakd.com/hive-193084/@marviman/6eyppwhmp4mohfm86utezd , nuked to 0 REP so that none saw his comments anymore and he was assumed as toxic. Great achievement at the age of 13. Even I got flagged and had to go through struggle sessions three times with different Overlords around here, and trust me I was annoyed and not cooperative.
The reputation system needs a serious overhaul and organized positive and negative curation has become a bigger burden than positive. Which makes a lot of sense to me, why are we allowing Gatekeeper to patrol the usage of Hashtags on a blogging platform? Make literally 0 sense.
Meanwhile those creating actual content and know what they're doing don't have a problem. For instance, why would I tag my post #racing, then post art that has nothing to do with racing.
If someone makes a mistake and get downvoted, it's not the downvoters making a mistake.
Not even 1% of the distributed rewards gets downvoted, and much of that small percentile is focused on HBD funder stuff.
People are also free to create communities, make rules, and ask people to follow them, plus mute them if they don't. That's their right.
It's really easy to focus on little mishaps. It's also really easy to change course and improve. It's not up to Hive. Hive is just a blockchain. Look at the vast majority of accounts not having any issues. If that's ignored while asking for overhauls, of course you won't be taken seriously. Also, one can simply fire up their own tokenized community and set their own rules. Embrace the solutions rather than trying to change things for everyone because you've been inconvenienced. It's a decentralized platform.
We all get a longer leach over time. One of the examples of that is Leo threats, which is making proper rewards on comments. Marky/BuildAWhale was downvoting such content rigorously for years prior to that and I was part of that downvote trail, so I take part of the blame as well. But I also got a chance to read the responses and to get contacted by those who felt mistreated. Lots and lots of people.
Urun is making a very solid point and he's been consistent with his POV, it shouldn't matter to what degree the curators trust or endorse people. My personal standpoint has always been that the "Network Effect" should be left alone, leaving room for natural evolution in the marketplace of ideas.
Most dangerous are Zero-Cost Reputation damages by big accounts to small ones. One account should not be able to "downvote" another one without losing some of its own reputation as well. That is a big problem, especially when curators are destroying reputations by using other people's funds. Devastation without any winners.
Actually it does matter. I'm not going to upvote plagiarists and art fraudsters for instance. I don't want to pay people that can't do their own work. And I'm glad I don't have to research every individual I come across first for legitimacy before upvoting. I can trust that rep system. If I catch someone doing some shady shit and downvote them, shouldn't my rep increase? It doesn't. And that's fine. Rep goes up if you get upvoted and down if you get downvoted. Reddit is similar. Youtube has similar functions as well.
All those trolls with negative rep. I'm glad that happens. They bring nothing of value anyway. And it's not unusual. Bars kick people like that out, theaters, events. It's always the same. They go otherwise they ruin it for everyone. That's normal.
Again. Simply build a tokenized community to your standards. Watch what happens.
I have to speak my truth or I will cease to exist. I can't influence my own tribe of people utilizing the life that I'm living right now. Maybe one day I might be able to, and maybe my opinion on this topic will have changed by then, right now I think curators shouldn't be able to downvote with the delegated stake, and delegated stake should lose at least 5% of rewards due to not being used in a decentralized fashion.
I'm not a huge fan of delegated stake either. People delegate their stake away, then post, and act confused, wondering why nobody with stake is voting. It's their own damn fault. That's the choice people make and when several do it, causes a negative feedback loop. They sacrifice post rewards on their work for post rewards stemming from the work of others without having to actually look at it. They get paid to look away, and others get paid to not look at theirs. Again, that's the choice they made. If they don't want that, they can stop. No need to makes rules. Common sense might kick in eventually but until then that's what they get. You had mentioned allowing network effect to freely do its thing, and that's one of the results.
This is me looking at a very difficult question:
Can I onboard people to blog on a Hive frontend without having it backfire on my physical life reputation?
Practical truth is: Absolutely not, 0/10 people stayed, all got burned
Then don't. Leave that up to someone more qualified.
I mean we can play that, I onboard five people for you just to witness their demise.
Would you be interested in accompanying such an experiment?
No. I'm not interested in playing your games. I've been around for over six years. If you onboard five or create five alts and make the same mistakes, who's fault is that? I can show you 500 not having any problems, probably far more than 500. And those doing well are not getting some kind of special treatment. It's up to the individuals to set themselves up for success. Nobody else. Making it sound like everyone will fail, is such a slap in the face.
Now am I calling out something that was presenting itself to me, or am I trapped in my own anecdotal chain of events?
Unclear to me and yet I am sure that soon from now I'll collide with another curator again. Doing my thing, minding my stuff, and investing in all kinds of different projects in this ecosystem, and still looking forward to being treated like a second-class citizen of the Hive Tribe. Any "curator" can read these comments of mine, decide to not like them and end this account of mine - without any repercussions. The existence of such entities is a problem in itself.
If you view yourself as some kind of second-class citizen, you can't blame others if you feel like one. That's your outlook on life. Your fault.
And yes anyone can come up and downvote. But they're not.
Just like anyone in life can walk up and smack you, but they don't.
Maybe ditch the paranoia.
Debates are common in life. Disputes are common in life. But if someone is going around conducting themselves in an antisocial manner, never in the history of humanity would that give them a good repuation.
Well, we saw the right on the first night enforced by royalty for at least a century. People use plunder, purge, and conquest to gain access to women, young children and land. ISIS did that only a couple of years ago. On the other side Schwab, Trudeau, Merkel, and Berlusconi had pretty bad reputations for most of their lives. Didn't bother them too much.
Conflict is natural, life is unfair. We dance - we fall - we struggle and die.
Yeah. The world is full of bad shit. Gets worse when that's all one looks at.
In order to stop all the bad shit, you'd have to be 10x worse supreme leader with a god complex.
If terrorists came here we could just downvote their asses LOL.
Back in 2017 when I had first started posting regularly, I very happy about having been told about the old chain. I wanted to share my fortune with my friends. But I got blank stares and objections that made zero sense like receiving money for creative work was a bad thing. Some would never get past the question of "where the money came from". They probably thought it was a Ponzi scheme, although that shouldn't have discouraged anyone from posting because no one needs to invest a single penny to be successful as a content creator Hive.
I gave up because I realized that for some utterly incomprehensible reason I wasn't going to be successful at onboarding people. I had a circle of friends that ran blogs on Blogspot and we used to write about interesting topics and shoot shit on each other's comment sections. Why the hell shouldn't we have done it on the old chain and now on Hive where the chain has valuable tokens it generates and that the community (partly ourselves) sends us through upvotes? There is no end to bitching when prices go up or when people fail to get a raise that they think they deserved. But suddenly they don't want free money. What the actual fuck? I will never understand the mentality these normos operate under.
Fast forward to the year 2022 and it has become notable that many more people have become somewhat more aware of the problems of Web 2.0 and corporate-owned social media platforms. Even mainstream people on Twitter are looking for alternatives as the very recent popularity surge of Mastodon shows. I'm convinced, however, that the masses need to exhaust all inferior alternatives first. My intuition is that Hive is at least five years from starting to fulfill its potential.
The problem for people is that they don't know what money is, they just understand currency usage in the most practical way. You can't explain magic internet money to people without an understanding of the general concept of money and how it evolved over the course of history.
We'll see about the timeline, a lot of things can happen in five years. The Three Speak Network is doing some impressive work, looking forward to seeing that taking off.
Exactly. Only a cursory look at the range of monetary instruments in the traditional financial system should tell someone that money is far from simple.
hit them with this, and if they understand it - they're on the level to start to talk about crypto currency.