How Civilised is Civilisation?
When you hear or read the word 'civilisation' or 'civilised' what does it make you think? While there is no single definition it's generally seen as a good thing to be civilised. It gives peaceful connotations and the idea of working together well while the flip side is barbarism which hints at violence and incohesion. Civilisation is usually seen as prosperous while barbarians plunder and steal to survive. But if we scratch below the surface is there more to it than that?

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The price of civilisation
I was listening to a historian talking about the rise and fall of the Mesopotamian city of Uruk and something he said got me thinking: civilisations rely on slavery and/or the exploitation of an under priviledged working class to function. I really can't refute this. For some to live in comfort compared to everyone having to pitch in as we would in tribal situations, someone else needs to take on a larger share of the labour. Even in the wealthier countries today where slavery has been abolished and most of the population lives relatively well we have merely outsourced that labour exploitation to other countries, so it's just less obvious to us in our day to day lives. We saw an exploited labour force and implented a minimum wage, so companies moved production to countries that were less concerned about exploiting a workforce. We get things cheaper and cheaper while mostly not being aware that the cost of this is is often slave and child labour in other countries.
Surely it's still better than living as barbarians, though? I guess that would depend on how they were living. The definition of barbarians was basically any people not living in what was considered as civilised at the time, for example during the Roman Empire.
Here's an interesting thought experiment. In the early Roman Empire, pre 300 AD, a practice known as 'exposure' was used to control family size. Basically if you had a child you didn't think you could afford to raise you left them out in the elements, usually at the local tip. They either died or were collected by slave traders. For a long time this was considered not only as acceptable, it was considered what civilised people did. Trying to raise every viable child as the barbarians did was considered uncivilised. So who were being civilised and who were being barbaric at this point? After all, trying to raise every viable child could result in the deaths of all of them if scarcity or famine hit, but surely they should at least be given the chance?
Fighting, war mongering and violence would probably be considered barbaric while being peaceable would be considered civilised, but is it as simple as that? Many civilised populations maintain armies to protect themselves, but often also to expand and conquer or absorb the barbarian populations around them. The Romans expanded their empire mostly by offering citizenship to those who joined them, but they would also conquer by force if that offer was turned down. Similarly when Ghenis Khan was forming the Mongol Empire many of the Steppe tribe leaders pledged to follow him due to the strength of his leadership and military. Usually because anyone who didn't had an example made of them when he had everyone in a village slaughtered except for the artisans.
We often complain of the evils of colonialism today, yet the world as we know it has come from people doing this for thousands of years. Empires have risen and fallen for millennia and we know about them because of the collecting and pooling of knowledge that they enable has allowed them to pass knowledge down through the ages and leave behind records and archeological evidence. The Ottomans made libraries of documented information on cultures and knowledge of the people they conquered, assimilated and modified as they expanded their empire. It's hard to dispute that this collation of knowledge isn't a positive thing. After all combining knowledge and skills from multiple cultures has allowed for advances in technology and living conditions for a lot of people. Recording and sharing knowledge also means it's less likely to be lost when disasters strike. The plagues in the period of the Roman Empire wiped out entire families of artisans and some skills, like glass window making, were lost for over a hundred years.
Civilising missions
Around the 15th or 16th century the concept of the civilising mission seemed to come into use as justification for colonising weaker nations. This could come in the form converting the populous to Christianity, particularly in earlier times, or raising their standard of living. When we think of these instances usually what Europeans did in Africa, the Americas and Australia come to mind, but did you know that this was also the excuse used by the Japanese leadership during their occupation of Korea which ended with the second world war? The full scope of what the Koreans endured during this colonisation is posdibly still being brought to light.
Often we cite good or bad aspects from history to argue whether what transpired ultimately led to more positives or negatives, but the reality is that they often go hand in hand. When someone sees only the bad then they use that to give justification to hatred of an entire country or ethnicity of people when the reality is that it it was the actions of their leaders not necessarily the people themselves. Then this justification can be used to commit the same atrocities again to a different ethnicity.
While some might agree with what their leaders are doing, plenty won't and evidence shows that this isn't just a modern phenomenon. People have questioned the justness of war and dehumanising others for thousands of years. I recently saw someone arguing that you can't judge people in history by our standards because they may as well be aliens as they are just so different to modern people. While I agree that they can't be held to the same moral standards as us now I actually believe that they were exactly the same reasoning and emotional people we are today just with a completely different environment, experience and background knowledge base. Even today people from different cultures will do things differently and it may not make any sense to others, but makes perfect sense to them. We still see one another as human, however, and with the same reasoning abilities.
However we look at it, it's a fact that the actions of people in the past, for better or worse, that have culminated in the present. Our actions in the present, for better or worse, will shape the world of the future and we will become a part of history ourselves. Meanwhile, the present me sits here wondering how civilsed civilisation actually is. How about you?
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Great post! You covered a very broad stroke of hundreds of years to piece together some very relevant contemplations.
I was contemplating a similar vein of thought this morning in relation to "racism".
Where, a country may have refugees due to famine or civil war, or some other cause, and the U.N. or NGO steps in to "save the day" - is that not racist or culturalist to do so?
Should they not be culturally, or civilised enough, to rally to support themselves in their own rite? Or are we assuming that they are un-civilised or un-cultured to have enough IQ or empathy to correct course?
And if another culture offers a helping hand, does that introduced culture have the right to impose their values in order to advance the troubled one?
Is it more of a culturally fluid situation that will leak and immerse as a natural outcome? As I have heard that, "Your cultural influence is either growing or dying - there is no status quo." (I think I heard some European leaders mention it at some point to justify conflicts.)
I recall when the US&A was initially in IRAQ and one of the bases was celebrating Christmas with a Santa Klaus and Beers and unwittingly expecting the locals to understand and participate without realising the layers of problems in doing so.
That brings to mind some policies implemented for non whites in the US that ultimately insult them because they rely on an assumption that they are less intelligent. A common occurance when it comes to organizations it seems. Rather than asking communties what they can do to help they decide for them what they think they need.
A friend used to live in Darwin and told me about how at one point the government asked the Aboriginal communities how they wanted their housing, because they kept wrecking the ones they were supplying. They asked for open housing with just walls on certain sides, a sheltered part and I think a fire pit. So that's what was done for them. Unfortunately the tourists didn't understand this and publicly criticised the government for it, so they went back to normal housing to save face.
Shoulda just equally publicly called out the stupid tourists for being literally stupid tourists instead.
Which you would think would make more sense
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Only semantically related, I remember reading this fiction book I now can't remember the name or even the premise of, but there were some discussions around this topic and there was one character who was basically arguing for a return to nature and basically tribal life and one of the other characters' argument against that was along the lines of how civilisation was basically to protect humans from nature and given what nature can be like that made a lot of sense to me XD
I think a lot of the problems with "civilised" people is that a lot of people (especially ones in charge of anything) have got egos too big to realise that they're stupid.
Or if we want to give them the benefit of the doubt, their perspective comes from a place that doesn't allow them to understand those who have a different perspective. 😜
I was listening to someone recently saying that the problem with our leaders problem solving is that they will never come up with the right solution because they all come from the same background with the same education pathways and therefore have the same way of thinking. This means that they don't get enough different aspects from different life experiences, which you need to have to reach the best solution.
He gave an example of an experiment where a crowd of people are asked to guess how many jelly beans were in the jar. No individual got the correct answer, but when you average all the guesses you get the correct answer. That's more of a mathematical experiment, but it's a good analogy I think.
Sadly it doesn't seem to protect us from other people, though. 😅
There's an amount of time and some situations I'll give benefit of doubt to before deciding someone is just stupid XD
That's probably at least generally true which is why they're supposed to have panels of experts (in the portfolios/departments like anything scientifie that requires them) and go out and meet people in different places from different backgrounds and talk to them to find out what's going on AND ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THEM (as a lot of politicians will go out to be seen talking to people and pretend they're listening but still suffer the delusions that they somehow magically know better than everyone else).
Other people are generally fine; friends and family aside we would barely notice "normal" people, might remember the particularly nice/kind strangers, the stupid ones just stick in our heads more because how the hell are some people actually that stupid.
But of course they do! After all they are politicians and we are just people they need to convince to vote for them.
What a piece of writing you've brought us this time, questioning our very civility!
You know, I think we have a serious problem with perception, even with self-concept. I've often wondered how free I am, and I suspect you have too.
To place the foundation of civilization on slavery is to disregard our own nature. Perhaps it's just a reflection of the well-worn law of the jungle.
My lineage is mixed, meaning that when I look in the mirror, I see evidence of my supposedly African past in my caramel-colored skin. Then I recall the assertion that Homo sapiens left the African continent to conquer the planet, and in that journey, assimilated other humans through mating during encounters. On the other hand, I see my straight, black hair—well, what's left of it—and I compare myself to my maternal grandmother, who passed away so long ago, and who was blonde with green eyes. And my children, white as milk, in the arms of my mother-in-law, whose eyes were as blue as the midday sky.
Forgive the descriptive family reminiscence, but I feel it's fitting in this particular instance.
The barbarians, by the way—a term used to refer to the Germanic peoples during the height of the Roman Empire because their speech seemed like incomprehensible gibberish to the Romans—applied the same ferocity as their conquerors. In both senses, both were uncivilized in practice, and in the end, in the homeostasis of history, they converged into what we know today as Western culture.
A stark reality that defines us today, and which you have so aptly described when speaking of disguised slavery. Moreover, modern work is the new facade of slavery, and what you refer to as the outsourcing of business practices are its extreme forms. It suffices to consider the unequal distribution of wealth—without resorting to Manichean thinking to blame the rich (who are simply following their instincts and exploiting the system's vulnerabilities)—to conclude that we live in a world of slavery that proclaims itself civilized in pursuit of the common good.
Solidarity and competition clash. I trust that we will have the wisdom to overcome our inherent nature so that we can finally end this everyday slavery.
Absolutely! One could say that even our obligations placed on ourselves restrict our freedoms and this extends out to our families, our societies, our jobs and then there is what our leadership imposes.
This is something I've often ruminated on and it came up as a discussion point in a video I saw recently. The video was of a young Chinese girl with her afro hair being styled by her mother who had the straight, black hair we see as more traditionally chinese. Many assumed that there must be some recent African genetics in the family for the girl to have such tight curled afro hair, but there wasn't. A genealogist was explaining that this is merely a genetic trait which can emerge anywhere in the world (is just more common in African populations), including in white populations and makes complete sense if you think that we all descended from the same source which is generally thought to be African anyway. I love the way genetics throws out these different visual traits, sometimes at surprising moments. I don't think many people today could truly say their lineage isn't mixed and that's a good thing. The Habsburgs are probably a good example of why keeping bloodlines pure is not a very good idea. 😅
Another very good point and another topic I've also been thinking about a lot lately. I've been listening to Gary Stevenson, an economist who came from an impoverished background which has given him a perspective that most economists don't have. In this video clip he says the same thing himself that the rich will just do what they can to increase their wealth in whatever way the system allows them to. I don't see that pattern ending any time soon, but we can be hopeful.
I just watched Stevenson's video. Yes, he's absolutely right. The problem we have now is that the world has shrunk, and capital is moving more frequently to places where it can pay less tax. You know, this video is making me question my anarcho-capitalist ideas. I believe even less in socialism, and certainly not in utopian communism. What I am certain of is that states (though I should say: politicians, with a lowercase "p") oppress the poorest people for the benefit of large tech corporations.
Unfortunately, I have no choice but to share your pessimism on this matter.
I'm reaching a conclusion that no system on it's own is the answer to all of our problems. I was wondering recently if the case could be made that we had anarcho-communism when we lived in tribes or in early agricultural times, but even then we tended towards having some form of leadership in the form of chieftans.
It seems to be human nature to always want more than you currently have and those who are the most succesful at achieving this tend to be the ones with more power. They are the ones who will learn how to play any system to gain the most from it at the expense of others.
An excellent reflection on the hidden cost of what we consider social progress. It is very accurate to point out how developed nations often outsource exploitation to maintain certain consumer standards.