What Is POB All About? - What shape will it take next? You Decide

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I have to say the last few days here at POB (ProofOfBrain.io) have been a little weird and off putting. The trending page is just littered with drama about how people vote, who's right and who's wrong, my way is right you better listen to me or else and just flat up dumb drama. If I was someone new coming to ProofofBrain and seeing that I'd have to say it would be rather off putting just take a look...

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I'll admit it makes you stop and wonder WTF is going on and to read up on it but is this platform about to turn into a bash talk each other and how we think things should be run and how others should be voting etc.

It's what cracks me up about the DPOS system. It's pretty much real world and shows you the human factors always leads to some crazy destruction as if we are just wired in that way to be self descriptive and we feed off of it. We see it in EVERY aspect of our lives.

Political turns into how much power(money) one side has over the other while crushing everyone else under them. Is this what ProofOfBrain will end up becoming?

Or will we finally find a way out of it and actually build and create something we can be proud of.

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I totally get it as humans the "easy" methods of rage, trash talking, putting others down, telling others what they can and can't do or how someone else is wrong and why you're right are things people do constantly every day. While it might get a lot of attention now that's short term and what you end up with over time is a VERY divided, power hungry few that control the system. From that you crush innovation, new ideas and set yourself up on a clear path of your way or no way.

I hate to tell ya, you're human as well and if you wish for others to respect your opinions and views you need to be respectful of theirs as well. It's a two way street that's MUCH more productive then the path I am seeing us currently going down. But maybe that is what this project will end up showing us. How ProofOfBrain can either be extremely powerful or extremely destructive. Unfortantlly the destructive often wins our more than the positive outcome. It's why those rare positive outcomes go down in history as being great events and changes while the negatives are stains on history about what to never repeat again(however we constantly keep ending up repeating)

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What direction will ProofOfBrain go down?

What are the goals of ProofOfBrain if anything?

The decision is yours and it's going to be interesting to continue to watch this project play out. A lot can be learned from stepping back for a moment and just watching others actions. Personally I find it fascinating


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Technically 1A's post is negative too as that was a response (that he probably didn't want to have to write) to people moaning about his vote distribution.

Given that the platform has mainly been adopted by people dissatisfied with Hive it doesn't surprise me there's so many 'negative' posts as you call them, although may negative is too strong a word ' 'critical'? Might be better?


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In this case, what you marked as negative I consider as a ignition point for us to debate on issues that are necessary for the organic and harmonious growth of the whole community.


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These are the SAME issues however we see on hive and while I believe many people left hive and ended up coming here to POB. Perhaps I'm wrong on that point however but that was the general feeling I got. Perhaps the Proof Of Brain concept is just doomed to continue to repeat itself over and over again. I just like watching it all lol but figured I would share some viewpoints.


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... I believe many people left hive and ended up coming here to POB.

This sounds so weird. How you can leave Hive and come to POB ???
POB is still on Hive. And every Hive user can read your ( our) every POB post.


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Yes but many end up trading in all of their hive for POB or a tribes token and don't really interact with Hive itself. How many people actually use Hives front end now?

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I don't understand that as well. Strange thinking for sure. We are all hive users at the same time. Each of our posts is on hive at the same time. Hive community is creating on pob... etc. I would understand if POB had their own blockchain. But, maybe each tribe has ? I don't understand. I heard that everything built on hive-engine is just information on that website, maybe that's why front ends are slower than applications built on hive directly. I wish a developer explain all this in details. I don't know.


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POB can not exist separately or independently from Hive. At least today. POB has no its own blockchain. There is not much more to understand.
Who say it opposite - are simply a liars.


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I'm with you... just a fascinated bystander taking it all in. It is a bit "off-putting" though because I don't want it to destabilize and become a political battleground. But it is entertaining. I didn't realize that POB was a sort of refuge for unhappy Hivians though... what's the deal there? What are the specific gripes with Hive that you've heard?

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Don't know the full details but there are a few on Hive with A LOT of power that maybe shouldn't have that power. But it's run so rampant now it's pretty much impossible to throw them out of the witness votes because they hold so much hive that just continues to compound. They also downvote people simply for the reason of not agreeing with them. Which to me is NOT why we have the free one day downvote.


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I get noticed on POB. I never got noticed on Hive... too big I suppose. I have no beef with Hive... I love it. I just get rewarded over here.


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Turn the negatives into something productive. As the POB grows, some conflicts arise but we should make an agreement that the conflicts are kinds of criticism that turn into positive energy. Who should change the negatives into positives? We are all. We should not depend on a whale. Let's avoid the conflicts and keep posting positive things about POB. Don't plunge into two or more opposite groups." All for one one for all " It is like the three musketeers.


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Ah, now that there is some smart thinking and something I do hope that happens. What I would hate is for this to just continue to drag on forever which is often times what happens. If constructive conversations can be made and then acted upon that would seriously renew my vision and hope for ProofOfBrain


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It should start from every member. To change the negative to positive. Whatever negative ideas come flash in our mind, the ideas should not destroy our body. It is the same as POB. POB is a body. We can not avoid an idea that is flashing in the mind of POB members. Be positive, do positive and post positive! All negatives will be flooded by the wave of positive energy if all members feel and think that they are united in a one big ship that wants to sail to a paradise island.


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One of the most important things I learned in life was to be respectful of others views and opinions. Instead of just trash talking someone and thinking my way is always right I rather here WHY they feel that way and if they have valid points it very well could sway my view. But that has to go both ways. They need to be respectful of my views and opinions as well. The more that melds together with more people the more innovation and better direction things seem to flow.


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One of the most important things I learned in life was to be respectful of others views and opinions.

Agree, different opinions are natural. We should accept the criticism not as a threat. Critics and negative ideas are identical if we can not think calmly.


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Honestly, I’d attribute a lot if it to the market being wacky. Frustrated people are more apt to engage in negative reinforcement when the bear’s outside the door.

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Honestly, I’d attribute a lot of it to the market being wacky. Frustrated people are more apt to engage in negative reinforcement when the bear’s outside beating down the door.

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lol, this is true. Losing money is never a fun thing and people would much rather be in a bull market right now.


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Yes and outside of the Internet we also have people being restricted to their homes. In some of these posts about POB you could change eight words and it would accurately describe the world view of many.

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Very true. Times are so strange right now I'm kinda surprised we're all not completely mad.

Very wierd here. Everyone stopped wearing masks whether they've been vaccinated or not. I expect cases to rise again in my area.

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Might be a little off topic but I'd have to say calling it a vaccine is false labeling and confusing a majority of people. Just because you get the shot doesn't mean you can't still get sick, carry it, mutate it and spread the virus. It's not a vaccine it's a flu shot which only helps you fight it off faster.


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I actually think things like this are good in the earlier stage as they help the community grow If addressed properly.

Conflict is an absolute necessity, it's inevitable, without it there maybe no true growth


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I don't think many wishes to content about vote distribution and all, some just finds it lucrative hence they're contenting about votes and all as well. Personally I think it's an attractive niche, not that I'll do that anyways because I haven't. But when it gets underewarding people will just stop. Just like it's no longer rewarding to talk about CUB on Leofinance again. I think it's a phase.


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just gonna add a red arrow pointing to this article that says "Negative."


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😀 That's so meta. Posts about POB in POB are attractive now. Heck, most of my content is about things related to POB. Percentage wise POB is highly inflationary. If you think you're not getting enough now, write about your rewards in your journal and come back to it a year from now.

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That short sighted midset gets SOOO many people it's crazy. Wish more understood it takes months sometimes even a good year or more to take a project and build it into some powerful.

Just like buying bitcoin back in 2013 and holding it till now has taken me from $150 per to over $30,000 per that's not short sighted vision. POB has a huge potential even at these prices plus with the cost of Hive right now it's a freakin bargain!


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The branch of the project is called "POB-vision." 😁

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Negative in the sense that if someone new where to visit the site and see the trending page it doesn't leave a good impression. For those existing we understand what's going on.


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I am new to the hive platform and the POB tribe. I am here to learn, grow and expand my mind. I upvote and comment on what I like or what has help me learn and grow. Most of the times, it is the positive posts that do that however there are times, I learn things from the negative posts.

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Maybe negative wasn't the best word to use lol, I meant negative in the sense that is someone new was to come to ProofOfBrain and see that it wouldn't leave a good impression about the token and the community.


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All wars are bank wars. what is considered valuable is thrown into the bank in someone else's pocket.

In general terms, there is a passive aggressive method of disagreement on both sides.

It's just their wallets that is at stake here.

Do those that have big wallet and stakes care if they get downvoting?
probably not.
unless it has no face but a big mouth behind that fake mask.
who just smiles and steals the personality of others. gobbling up every soul when the hunger strikes his blackhole gut to be recognized. an attention seeker soul reaper incapable of weepers peepers. This genderless monster will attack you and steal your much needed car windshield wipers. Chew you up with it's square teeth.

no face but a big mouth...

is that because of some fear to have accounts go south?

Either way manual curation without posting could be a good ghosting the oppositions account hosting.

No need for boasting about it either. That will just make the community become wither.

So lets add some water to this fire because it's plucking us all off the fat goose with the golden feathers. We all want a piece of the egg forgetting about the engine that made it.
All we have to do is grow another and spade it. Grow to love it or hate it. Matters not who made it. Is what matters: "is it valuable and can I get a bit"?

Things get lit sometimes that is a fact. but some times fat cats get caught in the act. Some turn to act in secret pacts. Others go for themselves and etcetera. these are facts.

If we retrace the train we will see the the gang signs graffitied throughout. Is it jealousy? Is there a turf war between Leo and PoB?
Otherwise whats with all the pout?

No need to shout but here me out. Not all the posts are about the same sour croute.
Some have gout in their feet and need a special treat and wants to have enough for nee teeth. There are virtual punches being thrown in this meet. And bystanders are watching, and complaining but none will get stopped by having it mentioned. Some are attacked by cyber bullying and some are throwing a tantrum over small votes compared to their pay out. And what is with that layout?

You get your news passing techniques from mainstream media? Looks to me that you are passing on a narrative by pointing out that just because its negative it doesn't deserve to be popular.

Am Incorrect for this comment?


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I would give you 100% of my vote, which is almost 2 pop, but I decided to delegate them to @amr008 since for the same points that you mention this seems more like a telenovela in the best Mexican style, and everyone thinks they are right, I think the smartest thing to do While this is defined in what it will stop, it is to receive a passive income, in itself in the discord they are good at cataloging countries like India as idiots and brutes, but people like @amr008 fortunately show that those who point the finger Apparently they need a little more neural connections!


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Thank you very much @clicmaster . I cannot put in words how much this comment means to me . It made my day .

Thanks for all the support .


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It's really the same with HIVE overall. When I try to get people on the platform, they are met with a wall of negative posts or just people getting all political on the chain. People looking for an enjoyable experience will turn and run IMO. We need to try to build a more positive environment, but I guess human nature just sucks and people like being negative, is what it is I suppose. I have just learned to ignore most of it and try to be a better example and positive influence.


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Agreed and I know this first hand from the few influencers I brought on board. There are some good people on there trying to make a difference but the negative Nancie's have majority stake right now and it's seriously draining.

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Hey bitcoinflood,

Shall I make you a custom made pob text divider?
Just let me know what you'd like! :)


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I'd love that :) I tried to make one it didn't turn out all that great lol

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My thoughts exactly, unfortunately these posts are trending because of the disagreements going on behind the scenes between those who have the most valued upvotes.

Personally I try to remain neutral as both sides have been really helpful for completely different reasons.

I feel it is not my place to tell somebody else what they should or shouldnt post, likewise it is not my place to say how others should vote.

With that being said there is some whales that do both, this is never a good thing, because I believe it not only drives creators away but also devalues the token or coin of that community, which the whales have largely staked.

So in essense they are devaluing their own held stake.

I think it would be much more productive to encourage and aid each other to create a better more understanding community in which we can all trive, together.

As the old saying goes, it is much better to have a small part of something big than a big part of something small.

Another words would you rather own 1% of a billion dollar company or 99% of a 10 thousand dollar compamy.


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I agree with the statement that no one should be telling you want you can and can't do with the funds(tokens) you worked or bought. That would be the dumbest argument ever lol That's where I go into the part about watching it play out, see both sides, do something from what was learned. If you don't agree with something here on Hive/ProofOfBrain well then don't read it or upvote it pretty simple lol.

I do like that saying! I'd rather be inclusive and learn from others then say may way is the right way or get out. I feel there is much to learn from others and much then can learn from me as well two way street.

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Very well said, I believe learning from each other, even each others mistakes is what makes a community stronger.

Yes it will be interesting to see how things play out, although I do hope it ends positively, there is nothing worse than a bitter community.

As you said if you dont like something simply dont read it or upvote it, thats the best thing you can do Lol

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It is pretty paradox but technically your post is negative also and look at your votes. Complaining pays great.


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Negative in terms of if someone new was coming to ProofOfBrain.io and saw that they might think twice about joining. Drama and fighting do pay big but they are short lived pays that end up damaging. As long as something changes and it's constructive I'm all for it.

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I don't think talking about the abuse is nagative. That's all for the sake of the community. Plagiarims is very bad for the platform and it could have a very bad affect on the legit members themselves and even we may have problems with the owners of the content stolen. I wrote a whole post about how I see the trending page positive in POB. I wish you take a look at it.


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It's negative in the sense that someone new coming to the platform now sees that plagiarism is an issue on the platform that it needs to be discussed. It's not a negative as a whole it's a negative to new people first coming to the platform I hope that makes sense. Fully agree that we should kick the crap out of plagiarism.

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Yeah hive has a real issue with this type of argumentative power struggle To me proof of brain should be taken almost literally rewarding post containing insight not attempted oversight. However its like you said humanity only seems to want to attack opposing view points. Any attempt to dissuade their opinion causes them to become more defensive. Personally to me Hive is more about the community's skillset, since hive isn't the easiest blockchain blog to properly use I know my posts can be a little more complex without having to go over the basics of blockchain usage. Not to mention most of my recent posts focus on NFT collections how they work. Mostly going over WAX NFTs and Hive NFTs/ blockchain games how the separate markets can be utilized together with some of the games and NFT collections ECT. Airdropping NFTs in every post and then explain to the reader how to utilize it what the project has scheduled their respective use case(s). Incentivized a learning experience other words, Everyone always seems to focus on the rewards distributed for posting. I just tried the invers out for a minute rewarding them for reading, while my posts do not earn all that much its enough to cover the NFT drop in each post I'm happy with the result. More legitimate user interaction increased number of comments and so on.


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It will happen and will continue to happen if there are still people who vote for these publications, when there is no one who pays attention to these spam publications, you will see that they will start to disappear.


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Do you think it's not necessary to shed light on the things that I think are an issue in the community? If people don't talk about what bothers them, how will they know if more people think alike? How will they know if it's a personal problem, with a single vision or if there are more people who think alike?

I believe this is an important moment for the community. It's a growing community and it's normal for there to be chaos before the organization. Your own post is talking about what you consider negative in the community. In the same way that the posts you cited can give a negative image to newcomers, yours can also give the same image.

So many people talking about the same subject mean two things: Either the subject is trending, or they have similar real reasons for writing. I believe in the second option.

And I really believe that this is a necessary time. People need to be listened to, perspectives need to be exchanged, and that way everyone learns! I personally have learned a lot.

For me Proof of Brain is the best Hive community. And I really feel good here, and because of that, I think it's important to shed light on the problems I see and find out if more people see it like me, so that together we can move towards a solution. @bitcoinflood


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" I hate to tell ya, you're human as well and if you wish for others to respect your opinions and views you need to be respectful of theirs as well. It's a two way street that's MUCH more productive then the path I am seeing us currently going down. But maybe that is what this project will end up showing us. How ProofOfBrain can either be extremely powerful or extremely destructive. "

This is my favourite part of the writeup


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