My take on people farming POB tokens – What if we called it "free" marketing ?
Ok all of this is just my opinion, I am not an expert on anything!
So there have been some great blogs (which I can't find now damn!) on people feelings on HIVE members just adding POB to farm some tokens. While I understand some people frustrations at what is seen as “abusing” the system I want to offer a different perspective.
First let's talk about noise.cash, I know a lot of people from HIVE are on it but for those who are not it’s a micro-blog site which hands out free tips in bitcoin cash to bloggers and they can use it to tip people content, keeping some for themselves. Now I could not originally work out the business model, there is no adverting on the site, no metadata being mined and yet they are handing out a lot of money.
Now they could be just trying to build a new site and that I most likely an aim, however a user on the site suggested what if it was about raising awareness of bitcoin cash? What if it was to get people used to handling small amount of bitcoin cash, using it and setting up wallets? An elaborate marketing ploy to raise general awareness and the price by some big big whales sitting on bitcoin cash.
Now the above is all conjecture but bitcoin cash has done this and yes it could just by the bull market we are in, but it bit it didn’t hurt
Image from coindesk.
Ok back to people farming POB tokens byadding it every post. What if we viewed it in the same way? What if we see it as a “free” marketing tool for POB to help get it established and raise awareness.
These are only my own opinions on some advantages
- Every so often someone who adds a POB tag gets a few POB tokens and starts to look more into the community
- Someone else sees a POB tag and wants to learn more and stays around.
- People start selling their POB tokens and adds liquidity to the market, this also counteracts huge ramp up in prices and big crashes
- People write blogs on how they made x HIVE from selling POB, which generates more interest, some of which ill stick with the community.
So I am not saying we don’t eventually tighten up what we want POB to be for, but in the same we it was decided it was to early to start burning tokens, maybe its to early to start excluding people, what if we let it spread for awhile more and once we get established we can codify what and how we want it to be sued for and when downvotes are needed. Again I’m not saying upvote bad content, but may lets just let it go to the keeper?
I totally agree to your 4 advantages.
Glad it's not just me! Was just going off my gut feeling
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Yeah true, their extra pob or two will help deplete the supply, providing they hODL it. As long as they don't get too spammy looking. The thing is we are beginning a POB culture here. This is the start, so it is of utmost importance we start out on the right foot. Cultures last a very long time, so in 20 years the pob users may not be that different from us now. We're setting the precedent now because monkey see monkey do!
I agree and obviously spam should be addressed but those who add it for fun for a few pob? Meh happy for them to play with it in my own opinion
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The Proof of Brain created page shows that people are getting nice POB upvotes for using the platform.
Educating people on what is already there might be sufficient to build traffic.
Personally, I would prefer to see the creators of PoB defining what they want in the community. Just adding the #POB to the tags of post does not really prove that brains were involved in creating the post. For that matter, creating a template that adds #POB to the tag list to harvest the token proves that no brains were involved.
I would agree but from what I have seen the creator does not really want to define it but wants the community to define itself
I like the idea of letting the community define itself.
Part of the defining process is defining what the community doesn't want to be.
Personally, the only thing that I really don't like is tag spam. I've seen it on other HIVE communities.
My approach is the following: When I write a post, I then decide what community is most applicable and then post to that community.
Of course tag spam is a system wide problem. So it is probably a topic for #hivewatchers and not #PoB.
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A community cannot define itself - it is not sentient (it's abstract concept).
Only people can define.
Gave this a full upvote as I think these are pretty solid reasons
Thanks glad it sat ok as a thought experiment
I understand your point, but I see it differently.
When I see that the post is just using the pob tag to get a few more coins, for me that publication cannot be worth more than 10 POB (my view). I haven't had to downvote any of them yet, as I haven't found one that could reach more than 10 without being posted directly with our tag and our front-end, but if I do, I will probably do so, alerting the user that the negative vote was exclusively for decrease the collection since he just put the tag as a kind of extra token.
For marketing I believe that the vote that we would give X tokens to that person, who will probably put the sale for their liquidity, would then be more interesting that we make this liquidity ourselves and invest the hive in advertising for the pob, both in the hive, as well as on the internet itself, as well as off the internet (this last option is even part of a project that I will put into action in May here at PoB)
If definitely think the community can and will police it self, i downvoted, for right or wrong, a person who just copied news links and did a terrible 1 sentence summary as it felt bad for pob.
It is all a matter of taste .... I would actually downvote people who only(or mostly) wrote about the voting system of POB, against self-voting in POB (I agree with self-voting if you ask about it), how POB is soo amazing and so on ... After the second post about it they are just useless and people do not look at them anymore. And it is not the first week of the community anymore 😅 They are "farming" POB (some of them a lot of POB) repeating almost the same in every post, how cool they are beeing the new police in POB.
100% accurate in your review
The famous phrase, who watches the watchmen?
I started this week to see a greater gamification of posts, but you are very correct that the posts were just running around what you mentioned, and people were making a lot of money from them.
I hope that over the days this curve will continue, and we will be able to see more 'real' posts that can bring diverse quality content to the community.
I have been on HIVE (STEEM) since the beginning and have seen all kinds of behaviors. From what I have been able to notice there will always be some manipulation of the system in one way or another, it is almost impossible to stop it 100%.
But the idea is not to fill the feed with alerts or threats about what will happen if you try to play with the system but with better posts. Filling the feed with varied and good posts is the best solution to prevent people from voting on bad posts and also increase the quality of the feed seen by those who come to the community for the first time.
Gulp, really hope I don't fall into that category since I've been doing moderately well with my rewards and have been throwing my opinions out there quite regularly. I'll be honest, a downvote would be refreshing.
I agree with you about the multiple posts about the same thing although there are different points to be made about it to some degree.
In terms of policing and potential governance, I think it's best right now to just get the discussion flowing and having disagreements. Unfortunately, there are always plenty of people willing to follow along without asking counter-arguments or adding a differing opinion to what's been shared.
I wasn't exactly pointing a finger at anyone, it was more to give a point 🙂🙃.
I have my ideology regarding downvoting to use it only for plagiarism or obvious abuse to gain advantage of the system, something like for example when many spam comments are made and then they are voted on. The downvote simply because we do not like something, do not agree on the ideas that are expressed or we do not like the format (photo, video, micropost, etc.) does not seem fair to me. But it is my point of view.
Of course, it is always okay to have a healthy conversation. I must be honest, I am one of those who most of the time only reads and thinks but not comment, as my mother language is not English, it makes it a bit difficult for me to organize ideas and it takes me a long time to write something. But hey, today I started to give my opinion 😋
And well to you in particular I owe my opinion on self-upvote but I think I'd better write a post. I will need some time because I have a lot of work these days. Non-virtual work.
Pd: Btw, I actually enjoy reading your posts.
I am agree with your points. The community needs visibility and these points are also valid ways to do it.
I imagine that the blatant abuse on the platform will be noticed at the moment because there are not many people here and it can be easily countered (at least for now).
Thanks ! I am so glad my rambling did not seem to far off the mark!
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Fancy to me , what's a ducat
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Next up, the random value payout, but that is still work in progress. (No more need to add a value.)
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I'm only here because some weird new token called PoB showed up in my rewards.
That's one reason why I always award pob together with my other upvotes. (The other is, that my stake in pob is the only one big enough, to actually produce some kind of reward)
There is a post from leofinance right now in hot, that got almost 100 pob, while talking about the best point to harvest your CUB token. It is surprising to see such a high reward for something,that is clearly not made for the POB community. But I guess it's a form of headhunting. We found somebody who writes great content and we're showing him, how much he could make, if he started writing for us instead of Leo.
So to conclude: Everybody do your thing.
I might downvote people in the future, who are pandering too badly and people who get a certain amount of pob without proving any brain. But it feels weird to take money away from people. We have abundance here. There are enough POB for everybody.
This is an amazing post and a blog in its self! Thanks so much for stopping on my post and your comment, I'm a month old and love how this community (hive) connstly challenges me veiws
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POB is just that. It is a # you can add to any post to get an extra reward. The larger community that is more focused on POB will end up with more stake and therefore have more control over the site... but anyone will be able to get POB rewards on every post, and I think that is awesome.
I agree and I think the community will curate low quality