Long Term Thinking Doesn't Necessarily Mean Staking & Holding.

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Whenever someone talks about being a short- or long term thinker in crypto, people often refers long term thinking to staking and holding tokens. More often than not, we see large accounts on Hive (or its Tribes) talking about investing and holding tokens to live off of the interest and whatever. That's what long term thinking is for a lot of people on Hive. To stake and hold tokens for a very long period of time.

You can think long term without necessarily accumulating tokens and holding them for a long time though, even though most people only accept "long term holders" as long term thinkers.

Long term thinking actually means that you are comfortable envisioning and consciously working towards the future. It's a viewpoint that brings to life the exciting possibilities of what's to come, and each decision you make is made with an expected timeline in mind.

I am in this whole crypto or "Hive-thing" for the long haul and even though I would obviously rather hold more than less tokens right now, so I could yield awesome profits years from now, I found a good use case for my tokens today. This basically means that I am very likely to miss out on profits later on, but it still helps me at this point in my life so it's a calculated risk so to speak. I am perfectly okay with the outcome as it's entirely based upon my own decision and actions.

While the majority of the people on Hive frequently creates content to earn rewards so they can either grow into a larger account or because they cash-out and use the money in real life, most of them never thinks twice on the actual content they share. They share because they want to earn and there's nothing wrong with that. Hive is built that way. It's built to reward those who put in effort and time. It's built to reward those who work hard and produce quality content.

It's a "flawed" system though, because everyone knows that it doesn't work exactly how one would think or wish. Auto-votes and/or other forms of "vote-exchanging" or circle-jerks makes things a lot easier for some people while others will struggle more.

Comments like:

"Put in effort, work hard and produce quality content"

Is often seen whenever someone asks for advice or wonders how they are supposed to ever reach a somewhat "decent" payout. We've seen it for years. That's a different story though.

Anyhow, @forexbrokr and I often seem to be on the same page when it comes to content and value. We both believe that real value comes from search engines and organic traffic.

It's about the HIVE price itself, not your individual balance in tokens.

This is exactly how I think as well. Sure, it would be awesome to have 100K tokens lying around in my wallet whenever the price goes up to $10, but how likely are we to ever see that happen?

It's not the case with Steem and it's not the case with Hive. Sure, we've seen some crazy numbers here and there in the past, but ignoring that.. We're sitting at less than $0.5/token. Actually, almost half of that at the time I am writing this. ~$0.25/Token.

I don't mean to offend anyone and this is not because I have lost interest or faith in Hive. Not at all. In fact, it's the other way around. I believe in Hive and the potential we have here, but I truly believe that our "leaders" need to take actions and pave the way for others differently now.

I don't talk about new dApps or some new security stuff. We've seen new things lately and we have more to come in the (near) future as well. What I talk about is content creation though.

I talk about rewarding the same people day in and day out because it's "the easy thing to do". I talk about spreading the word and reaching new people. We need to change things if we want Hive to grow. We can't continue on the exact same path, doing the exact same thing we've done for years and expect a different outcome. We need to take a different route. Analyze things we have done in the past, change things moving forward and put in effort going for other results.

  • That's what I call long term thinking.

We have people doing marketing and all types of things but we've had that for years and we haven't seen much of an impact. I don't mean to say that we've done that in vain, because we need marketing.

We have retention issues. We have a hard time keeping people on Hive. People leave for various reasons but my best guess is that most of them leave because they feel ignored and under-rewarded.

  • Simply put, they expect more than they get.

LeoFinance came in from "nowhere" and made things a lot easier for users to earn. Suddenly, users could get paid in two tokens at the same time and the price started to increase for LEO. LEO tokens was quickly worth more than Hive and it was awesome to see. It was fun, new and felt fresh. It made things easier for literally everyone involved because it increased the chances of being curated and it gave curators more content to curate.

Proofofbrain was riding a wave behind and quickly went past LeoFinance. Much for the same reasons. Sure, we could debate all day and night about all the new features and innovative things they both brought to the table, but the majority of the people use tribes to earn tokens and it's easier to earn when something is new and fresh. My point is that we want Hive to be fun and feel fresh.

People saw more potential with LeoFinance & Proofofbrain. They realized that these additions to Hive could be life changing and/or at least change literally everything for them in the future.

  • That's how we get people to stay.

We (the current users) needs to pave the way for newcomers. We need to educate and support them. We need to make sure that they feel welcome and that they are enjoying the time they spend. Hive is filled with amazing people with various talents. Hive is literally an endless pool of knowledge.

Also, why I personally think that evergreen content and optimization is extremely important is to bring more people to Hive (and tribes) through search engines. That's organic traffic. That traffic will come naturally because people are searching for information, which would change the entire game for Hive.

If content creators on Hive would make 1 out of 5 articles optimized and if that specific content would be evergreen content, I promise you that we would see real growth rapidly. That's why I talk about optimized content a lot. That's why I show you how I have ranked articles. That's why @forexbrokr talks about it as well. We know the value of organic traffic. We know that it would change Hive forever.


That being said, @taskmaster4450le wrote Leofinance: Time To Up Our Game yesterday and there's some really great news in that article:

@khaleelkazi mentioned that he is now working with a marketing firm to bring more traffic into the ecosystem. What is going to happen is press releases will be put together to target the different crypto media outlets. The goal is obviously to put the Leofinance and Cubfinance names in front of a lot more people.

Leofinance is a long-form content site that focuses upon cryptocurrency and financial matters. The key is to have a presentable product that when people hit the landing page, they see information that is worthwhile for them to read. This means that it is up to us to write such content.

The key here is to put ourselves in the shoes of other people. Consider what we do when we go to a site that we never arrived at before. Basically, regardless of the site, when seeking out information, we want to find stuff that is informative and worthwhile to us. Hence, it is important to put together articles which will be beneficial to the newer people who will eventually make their way there.

This is basically what I have done in the past, and what I have been aiming to do for a long period of time. Sure, I have done that because I have optimized articles and I have done that for ranking purposes, but the long goal is to bring organic traffic.

I tried to put myself in the shoes of other people and I tried to think of keywords people would search for on search engines. That's the reason for my "How To Earn Crypto From Blogging In 2021
" article to be ranked on top of google.

It might not be what people search for the most, but someone are literally bound to search for it during 2021. That means exposure we wouldn't have got without that article. So, LeoFinance is about to spend money on marketing/advertising, are you willing to step up your game and create different types of content to maximize the potential or will you continue on the same path you're already on?

  • Short Term or Long Term?

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It's built to reward those who work hard and produce quality content.

I wish that this would be true.
How I see it? Hive is built to reward those, who have a lot of money. Poor people (like me) are basically ignored.
My posts are usually earning 20-30 cents.
Or even less, if I do not promote or boost them with Ecency Points. I feel lucky that they reach the payout threshold ($0.02).

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How I see it? Hive is built to reward those, who have a lot of money. Poor people (like me) are basically ignored.

It's not built to be like that, but I can totally understand your point. I've heard that, and seen that many times in the past as well. Unfortunately.

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I hope HF25 will fix this a little (old habits hard to die.)

that's why I focus on tribe and engaging there instead of swimming in full ocean and getting lost.

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Tribes are awesome in terms of getting recognition and exposure, which could potentially lead to more Hive rewards as well.

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Communities or tribes are the future of Hive.

Find your niche and add value to the community. You'll see your engagement go up and as a result, you'll likely see your rewards go up long term.

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Communities or tribes are the future of Hive.

They are our future economies. This is much bigger than just Hive in my opinion which is why Hive getting on board early is a bonus.

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Your last 2 posts are a mobile screenshot of a different Hive front-end and a random car... with like 30 words and links to other sites on each.

But no, it's definitely someone else's fault that you're not receiving the rewards that you're entitled to.


Write consistent content of value and you will be rewarded.

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Your last 2 posts are a mobile screenshot of a different Hive front-end and a random car...

Sorry, but this is not true. Maybe my posts are really not visible.

Here are my last three posts:

How to lose weight without giving anything up?!
(I posted it 10 hours ago)

My black and white photography challenge entry #8 (2021.06.19, 14:48 CEST).
(I posted it 2 days ago)

I am waiting for the train to Dévaványa at Gyomaendrőd, Hungary (2021.06.19)
(I posted it 2 days ago)

You wrote the comment above 5 hours ago.

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Okay that's fair, I was looking at your profile through the LeoFinance front-end that hitmeasap's original post was published using.

These sorts of comments, especially on a post that's talking about SEO for leofinance.io are extremely frustrating to read.

SEO is about building long term value for HIVE, its associated community tokens and the domain you publish through.

NOT about getting a few extra bucks from the rewards pool.

Nobody is entitled to any rewards and our focus should all be 100% on creating long form, optimised content that ranks on Google.

Yep, that means editing and linking back to old content that is past its payout threshold.

So don't complain about rewards you're not receiving.

Instead, stake the token and focus on building its value through quality content that gets ongoing views via Google.

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I've been here nearly 2 months. For at least the first month I felt I was in Siberia: posting content but not having anyone around to see it. Part of that is not knowing how things work here. Part of that is not knowing where to spend time. Whatever I was doing, I wasn't getting visibility. I needed eyeballs.

I stayed away from Leo Finance because I had other ideas in mind for what I wanted to write, and also because I needed to find a niche where I felt OK enough to contribute.

When my 2nd month started I decided to lurk in Leo Finance for a bit to see what kind of posts were being posted. When I noticed that a wide variety of posts and topics were posted at Leo Finance, I found some posts where I could comment and eventually I found topics I felt comfortable enough posting.

Shortly after engaging with people on Leo Finance my earnings shot up dramatically. I still wasn't getting the visibility I expected when I joined, but I began to see that Leo Finance was a place where I could accelerate my growth as a writer and as a contributer via comments and upvotes.

When I saw the success I was having at Leo Finance I tried the same thing at Proof of Brain. Same results: more visibility, more eyeballs.

In the case of Leo Finance, another way to boost visibility is to comment and reply on the daily post Leo Market Talk. It's a text-based chat-like environment where responses are quick (for a web page).

Just posting to the personal blog won't be enough. For me, I didn't start seeing progress until I joined tribes which had good levels of engagement. I'm looking for a couple more tribes I could join where I can contribute content and earn tribal tokens along with Hive.

Comments and replies are just as important as posts since they help boost visibility. For some people, that's all they do and that's OK.

My biggest point of frustration was RC Blowout since I found myself out of Resource Credits periodically. Once you find a way to become more visible and you get eyeballs on your content, the upvotes will come and the feedback will follow.

At some point, earnings will occur; then they occur more often; then they become greater than before. It's a matter of time, numbers, and strategy. Finding a place with good engagement is vital, and it's no accident that Leo Fiannce and Proof of Brain are two of the most active tribes on Hive. More are out there, we just need to find them and see if we fit with them.


I'm sorry for the length of this comment, but when I read your comment it reminded me of my own situation the first month I was here. My second month has been better, and it's looking like Month 3 will be an improvement on that.

I have enough RC for one comment before I go out of commission for a couple of days at least. I wanted to make that comment count. I hope this helps.

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I've been here nearly 2 months.

I am here for more than 4 years (since 2017.05.17).

Comments and replies are just as important as posts since they help boost visibility. For some people, that's all they do and that's OK.

I was in the top 10 of the engagement league multiple times in the previous weeks, so I think I wrote some comments.

I also support people by giving them !PIZZA, but most of my posts still go unnoticed (either ignored or overlooked). Often even after promoting them.

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I completely agree, Long Term Thinking doesn't mean Long Term HODL but, IMHO, Long Term HODL could be a part of Long Term Thinking in Crypto.

it still helps me at this point in my life...

No argument there, these are the decisions that are necessary at the time and whatever would be the future result we are right to make these decision based on the circumstances at that specific time of the life.

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Long Term HODL could be a part of Long Term Thinking in Crypto.

I'm glad we're on the same page. I think that too.

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I think the biggest issue is that we don't know specifically how to optimize content. At least, I generally go with what I know and have added some headers then linked back to HIVE/LEO. At the same time, reposting on other sides might be good or bad.

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I can totally understand the lack of experience and/or the will to learn how to optimize content. That's why I would love to see more evergreen content at least. Even though it's not optimized, it's likely to yield greater results over time compared to people's own life stories.

Don't get me wrong though, we need all types of content on Hive, but we are likely to benefit more by evergreen content in the long haul.

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I feel Google punish the content with the length of content too, Any content below 300 words is considered thin and do not rank and become sort of punishment.

I am trying to reach towards 500 word length but just wonder how the 100-150 word Splinterland's Daily Quest post with multiple users really hit the SEO hard.

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I don't know but I don't bother with something like a daily quest post anymore. Since I was introduced to HIVE through Splinterlands, I did put them up for a while but I just found the content to be quite small.

Right now, I just try to do posts around 500 words or more. If its a bit less, then I try to see if I can mix in a few things together.

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SEO is a funny one because Google doesn't actually tell anyone what they need to do to rank.

They make money from sites paying for those ads to appear at the top of searches, so that's their primary focus.

Organic search is just an annoying extra for them ;)


But in terms of SEO on LeoFinance, all you need to worry about is:

  • Posting something that has a keyword.
  • is 500 words long.
  • has at least 1 subheading featuring that keyword.

That's it.

Take your last blog for example: Cub Finance: Entering the CUB/BUSD Defi Farm.

It's an excellent example of the type of content we want to be encouraging here on LeoFinance.

It's 500 words long.

'Cub Finance' or some variant is the keyword.

You feature that keyword in a subheading.

You even have relevant images (make sure you write the alt tag text in the [] bracket section of the code) and links to other relevant Cub Finance posts on our site.

Keep up the great work :)

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These are some good rules of thumb to keep in mind! Not hard to implement and can really help with SEO

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HODL : most misunderstood strategy..

It meant for not taking loss, it never mean do not take profit.
it meant "belief" not buying shit and holding and praying to moon.

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Thanks man, I'm glad we're on the same page.

These sorts of posts are great to keep awareness up that the better writers should have SEO optimisation of their posts in mind.


Hey @taskmaster4450le,

As our top author on LeoFinance, I'd love to hear your thoughts on whether you'd be keen to focus some of your efforts on SEO optimisation of your posts.

Your daily posts are awesome, I'm a huge fan and ensure I upvote them for your consistency.

But just taking yesterday's Oil prices blog of yours as an example, you could fairly easily optimise it for SEO.

So the articles keyword is oil prices or a longer tail varient.

Just by adding little things like subheadings featuring that keyword and a few internal leofinance.io links to other relevant articles on the topic, we can start to build our rep in the eyes of the Google algo.

Remember, more traffic means more eyeballs on ads, which ultimately leads to a higher LEO price.

Your blog is an absolute treasure trove of content and I know you won't get rewarded for doing it, but even if you went back and edited your old posts to just add subheadings, internal links and the like, it would be hugely valuable for our domain.

Either way, I just wanted to start up a discussion and see whether you'd be open to just slightly changing the format of your blogging to include subheadings and a bit more focus on SEO.

We're all striving for the same result here and that's a higher LEO price :)

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Nice post to trigger thought. It is said, that if you keep doing what you have always done, you will keep getting what you always got. To change output you must change input.

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Yet another great eye-opening article man. Thanks for all the hard work you've been doing to put Hive out there

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This is the best writeup I have read today. The system is not so bad but I think we are nit doing anything to onboard and get a lot of people to stay.

That being said I feel a team needs to be built, because there is a problem with getting users to stay.

I have personally gotten over 100 people on this blockchain dating back from the days of steemit but the problem was getting them to stay.

We need a team and that team has to either be by regions at least. That team has to be highly motivated as its not easy to get people to work without motivation.

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I have what many might tag as a flawed approach towards problems. Rather than solving them i rather find my way around them because it is within my reach and i dont have to appeal to anyone.

Search engineering optimization is serious work. I recently started a course on it. Putting in that amount of work for a chance to earn a few bucks here or there doesn't cut it. Would rather work as a freelancer and do the work backed by a contract.

You believe in SEO, i believe in relationships and creating a good user and social experience is the way to go but we do not have the numbers or demographies to achieve this. Also, we have a poor retention problem which is due to the complicated nature of the chain. we also lose faithful due to silly disputes. so many frictions in a small community. We all know this but finding the right solution is the goal.

My only solution is to explore as many solutions as possible until we arrive at the right mix of social and technological advancement that makes this platform appealing to different demographics...

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I totally agree with you. We have retention issues and there's a handful of other problems we have as well. We have many things we need to fix and find solutions for.

I do believe in SEO, I think organic traffic is extremely vital for us, in terms of growth. Optimized content won't solve our retention problems though. It will just push a lot more traffic to Hive. With that traffic comes more Ad Revenue, token burns etc. Which ultimately leads to a higher token price.

With a higher price, I think some of the retention issues will fix itself, even though there will still be a serious issue we need to fix.

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