The Challenge That Hive Poses Us

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Hive has a multitude of problems on many layers through many social levels. I've always been open about this, and I've never shied away from the conversation. We are, as blocktrades tells us, lightyears ahead of any other social chain in the crypto-space when it comes to the type of activity that we do here.

What do I mean by that?

Well, Hive (previously Steem) has worked through a unique set of problems never posed to any other social like platform on the internet ever. This is probably because no-one has ever attempted to do what we have in a space so open and free to the end-user in a reward environment that competes for the attention of the chain's audience.

Sure, you hear stories of YouTubers making thousands of dollars per video but that has taken them years to master their craft to get to the point where they are. You might also ask yourself what happens to the millions of others trying to compete for that audience but never getting a look in.

On Hive you can spit out a half arsed post with not much thought to it, that's worded well, that doesn't even need to make it onto google, or gain any traction whatsoever that makes a decent enough reward. Hell, if you have a good following you can even do this twice to three times per day before the reward pot protectors come hunting for you.

But this poses some unique questions which are also quite hard to solve. For example who deserves these rewards? What constitutes as an action that should get a reward? Who are the reward distributors? And should they do anything they please with their heavy reward hands? All great questions, but brutal when applied in practise. Most work here is subjective and one man's Sistine Chapel is another man's dumpster fire.

The debate is a fierce one too. Some people argue that a well written post is reward worthy, whilst others argue that meme's and twitter type posts should be rewarded also. I know I've seen my fair share of Reddit one liners that are sent to the moon with likes. But that's not to say either is wrong, or both are right. Each argument is subjective and personal preference.

And then we look at whale stake. Most of them are really too busy to be sitting here applying the correct amount of rewardage to the correct posts. A lot of them are quite happy to delegate their voting responsibility to a voting bot or another person -- that can go really bad for them if they apply their stake to the wrong trail or a person with malicious intent.

Do you see a whale that comments? I rarely do -- shout out to @themarkymark probably one of the only ones. Oh, and @theycallmedan. But this of course is only because (I assume) they have time to do so. I am not throwing out shade in this post, only trying to make a point! Time is money.

I am proud of the progress that Hive has made over the last five years though, we have worked through and overcome some serious barriers to social attention rewards that other places have yet to even come across. And boy will it fuck them up. Because people are people and they will try and get away with what they can.

Take when we were first born in the early Steem days. We saw a massive ravine between author and investor. Only a few authors were being upvoted into oblivion and the rest were being left by the way side. Investors were trying to reward only their own stuff, and authors were demanding that they be upvoted. There was no community consensus and it was a bit of a shitshow. But through a process of ups and downs over a steady period of several years we managed to build community tools to disincentivize high greed and/or high take.

So we've been through it all. We've travelled that challenge. Imagine if Ethereum built the blocks to have people be rewarded for writing on their platform in a Reddit style fashion. But, because they haven't travelled our journey they are going to get fucked by a train, especially at this point of time in crypto. But they, like us, will eventually work through all those problems.

So we're quite far ahead.

But to me we will always have the problem of human subjectivity and the drama that it brings with it. Whenever there is money at play expect conflict. Whenever there are opinions and money at play, expect super creative style conflict.

We see this in the culture wars in America right now. What can be seen as a war between the left and right side of Politics can also be seen as a battle between legacy media and outlets like YouTube that provide competition for attention that was previously dominated by TV & Radio. These places were usually gatekept. But now, any moron can pick up a camera and make a video.

It's the same thing but in a different format. We are battling for your attention here for rewards, as are they.

So never go into this thinking that there will be peace and fluffy rainbows and beautifully white kittens, because we're all at war with one another in a weird way. It's just that Hive has brought us together in some weird-comradery through our shared struggles. That's what I like about this place.

I guess I'm here to stay!

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We're so far ahead, but so far from ahead!

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I'm sure the more we onboard will bring along with it another set of problems. $50 Hive would set this place on fire lol

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Hive has several frontends that are great little social media sites and many games and other things as well.

I like the vast majority of the community as well.

It's not 2014 anymore and projects don't sell themselves, so hard to say where we go with very little attention

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We keep building! :) - the more we build, the more people fomo. I expect hive has more active users now than it did in 2016

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No, it doesn't, we were thriving in 2016. or the old Steem was.

40k or more posts a day.

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Okay. So we start with 40k less users. That's still a lot imo. In an ideal world we'd be a bunch of front ends and those using those front ends would be like.. waah? Hive? Wtf is that :)

I still say in 5 years we're going to be pretty big. Someone will come here one day and work out how easy it is to build on here and bam...

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I appreciate the enthusiasm! I hope you are right.

I feel like the market size and especially an older project needs to work at visibility between all the "new shiny" projects that catch the attention of the crypto crowd.

I will never say never though and I still like having my crypto friends on Hive.

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Honestly? I hope I'm right too. Who knows what the next 5 years will hold for us -- it is going to be exciting though, especially since I talk to a lot of little hive builders. I expect you do too! :)

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Hive has a lot of potential, that's why I still believe in the project, we are a big family and for us it is important to maintain the interaction.

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I think this debate is good for the ecosystem. I definitely want good, well thought out content to consume when I come here, but I like a good meme, too. It feels like this is kind of a similar situation to the bots debate in Splinterlands. Bare with me a minute...

There are people in the game that have dozens of accounts run by bots. Some players feel this fosters conditions for abuse, as individuals with an army can extract more of the reward pool at the expense of everyone else.

Having said that, each bot account had to buy a starter deck, so they've earned the right to play. The devs allow them, and I would argue it's because of bots that I always have an opponent, rather than being unable to find a match, which was a minor issue in the early days.

Bringing it back around to the point... mems are content, too. Some of us my think them foolish, or unworthy, while others enjoy them, and seek them out. One person's trash is another's treasure, as the saying goes.

I feel like we should focus less on the subjective stuff. If we don't like cat videos just keep scrolling. There's no need to fuck someone on our way through just because they didn't take the opportunity to perform specifically for us.

I'd also, like to point out that we have spam bots to seek out abuses, so if you just don't trust the system and need to vigilantly do your part to ensure no one gets $3 you don't think they deserve try to at least be certain it's an act of abuse and not just something you find unappealing on a personal level. No one likes a bully.

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I had never considered that splinterlands debate. Interesting! This is true though. Everyone always has a match, and, once you get used to those bots you work out the combinations they usually throw out and have an idea how to beat them.

I'm not a downvoter. I should play my part in the downvoting game but I don't. I'm just too busy, and whenever I see content I don't like then I just scroll on. Plus, we have an army of bots and some really autistic people that will seek and hunt out spam all day for the pleasure of doing it. You don't need me for that.

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“I'm not a downvoter.”

Yeah, I wasn’t speaking about you specifically. I hope I didn’t give that impression. I was talking to assholes. 😁

In my experience you don’t meet that criteria. No disrespect intended, though. I’ll comply with however you’d like to identify. 👊😜

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I identify as an attack helicopter. Haha.

But yeah, downvoting does serve its purpose though. If not for downvoting then we'd just be another Facebook where there is no social order.

On that note, what a cracking post to write. I feel another one coming :)

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Lol. I guess ill call you Apache, then? Or do you prefer cobra? 😁

Keep ‘em coming! I’m loving the engagement here.

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I guess it's not always about the rewards. Some people are just happy to be a part of a good community. And some of us just need some form of an outlet especially in this day and age of mainstream social media and isolation. Hive/Steemit is just a safe platform for us to let go of our thoughts and be ourselves.

Drama's gonna stay sure, we are humans anyway. But I guess I'm thankful enough that the environment here is not as toxic as it is in reedit. People still have some sort of self-control and manners (thanks to downvoting lol).

As for the rewards, well, cryptocurrency is life-changing I couldn't complain. It's really up to people what they want to do with their cryptos or who they want to vote.

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I actually love the fact that downvoting forces submission in some form. In real life we wouldn't be so rude and inappropriate to other people so why do it here? Downvoting solves that in so many ways. Whilst I'm not a rabid downvoter myself there is still the threat that I may. As with everyone else -- which keeps us tolerant on some level.

Same with me. I started writing again because I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. As everything ticks over nicely and I wait for the connecting pieces to the puzzle slowly emerge then I will kick back and enjoy a bit of writing!

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I first got here because of the rewards, not gonna lie. But now I found many great communities such as LeoFinance that I really enjoy being a part of and so I'm trying to do my part to make it a better place

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