Hive Authentication Services: Sign In With Hive?

There is something brewing that can be very big. It appears to be flying under the radar a bit yet it seems like, if pulled off, could have a major impact upon the positioning on Hive.

The Hive Authentication Services (HAS) is in the process of being developed. This is one of those applications which has grand utility while also expanding the reach of Hive.

For most users, this could be considered that "boring development stuff" that makes our heads spin. However, this one carries with it the potential to truly transform Hive into something very practical.

Sign In With Hive.

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Account Management System

If we drill down to the very basics, what is one thing that Hive does very well? What is it that provides immediate benefit to all who tap into it?

The answer is that Hive provides a decentralized account management system that is very powerful. It is an overlooked feature since it is not sexy or exciting. Yet, if we think about it, this is crucial for engagement with the Internet.

At present, we know the traditional social media platforms did a great job instilling themselves as the caretaker of accounts. Who has not seen the "Sign in with Facebook" (or Twitter/Google)? This made logging onto websites a lot easier.

It also helps the developers. By using these applications for sign in purposes, that level is removed from the website. It is no longer their responsibility. This, of course, gives those entities a large amount of power, something most of us are aware of.

The key here is that these are centralized. What Hive Authentication Services is constructing is decentralized. Hive's account management system provides full protection to the account holder. No centralized entity can close the account down. Contrast this with Twitter or Facebook and we know when they shut down an account, everything tied to it disappears.

That cannot happen with Hive Authentication Services. Since it is using Hive's base layer account management system, the accounts are run by the blockchain, not an application or the protocol.

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Middleware For Key Security

In the proposal post, there were some key questions asked that are pertinent and frame the situation well.

What if you could authenticate on any website, desktop, or mobile app, just providing your Hive username but no password or private key, from any device?

And how about storing your private keys in one secure place and no longer having to provide them to (d)Apps to log in or sign transactions?

What if you could use your Hive account as you are used to with the Google, Facebook or Twitter button but in a more secure and decentralized way?

We need to ponder that for a second. When Twitter or Facebook are used to log in, they are essentially middleware instilled between the application/website and the user. This is what Hive Application Services seeks to do.

However, we also know those companies track everything that is done. Even when on other websites, using their log in means they are able to watch all that is done. Of course, these companies are developing an evolving digital profile of each user. This helps to feed their hunger for more data.

This solution removes that. Since it is based upon the Hive account, there is no tracking of monitoring of one's actions. Hive accounts are not run by any company or centralized database. Instead, it is all tied to the blockchain.

At the same time, key security is vital. Not your keys, not your crypto is the saying. However, this takes on a new meaning when we are using the blockchain account for log in. When we pass our keys to a 3rd party application, we are taking on additional risk. By adding that party into the sequence, we can see how nefarious actors can exploit it.

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Extending The Reach Of Hive

For the last few months, we discussed how we are still at the point where holes in infrastructure are being filled by development. There are still some basic necessities that are needed before the ecosystem can move forward.

This protocol is one of those concepts. We know that account management as well as security is vital. Providing a solution that is decentralized could really change things especially as the tenets behind cryptocurrency begin to take hold.

Many are getting upset with the centralized social media outfits. Each time they ban an account, there is potentially a business that is destroyed with it. That means that we are seeing the list of potential users for this application growing.

One of the transitions that is going to take place is when blockchain sees a radical uptick in the amount of businesses that are integrating with it. Here is a prime example of how this can be done. The existing data structure that is in place, account management in this situation, can be leveraged as infrastructure for other entities.

Is this going to suddenly drive hundreds of thousands of users to Hive? Not in our wildest dreams. What it does, however, is start the process of getting the Hive name out there. Each time someone sees that Sign in with Hive logo, it is one more encounter with this ecosystem. Imagine if there were thousands of sites utilizing this feature.

Also, this adds value to every Hive account. This is a key point. Hive operates on the freemium model. Many have questioned this approach, believing that users will only opt for free. Of course, as we learned from the previously mentioned social media companies, free is not free. There is something being done to pay for the services.

With Hive, it is vital that there be value for each account held. In other words, there is a reason why someone wants an account, even if they have to pay a few bucks for it. Naturally, with on-boarding initiatives by applications, few individually are having to fork over the money. Nevertheless, the point still holds: we need to keep adding more value for anyone with a Hive account.

If having a Hive account enables easy access to thousands of websites simply by entering our username and approving the site, that is a major benefit. Ultimately, Hive Authentication Services could provide that to each Hive user.

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There is something brewing that can be very big.

My beer? 😂

It appears to be flying under the radar a bit yet it seems like, if pulled off, could have a major impact upon the positioning on Hive.

Tons of awesomeness? 😂

For most users, this could be considered that "boring development stuff" that makes our heads spin. However, this one carries with it the potential to truly transform Hive into something very practical.

Like a... Beer can opener? 😂

Putting the jokes aside, the Hive Authentication Services (HAS) is indeed sounds like something very good and very useful/helpful. Something that makes the usage of the Hive blockchain very much easier.

I even voted for their proposal.

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I think this is awesome, but they still need to make the process for setting up a Hive account in the first place more seamless. Many people are not going to want to deal with public and private keys even though we all know that is what keeps them "safe". If this gets off the ground and people can get past that learning curve it could be awesome.

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I am not sure the HAS is focused upon that. This is the development of middleware that is designed to access sites using Hive accounts.

As for the keys that is a challenge but one people are just going to have to learn. I do not see a simple way to deal with keys other than for people to learn how to deal with keys.

It is a vital part to the security of one's assets and designed to not be held by others.

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Right, I get that. I am just saying for people to use it they will first need to have a Hive account and that is where the barrier might happen. I agree with you on keys. Familiarity reduces the intimidation, but I can see that being a hurdle for some.

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Agreed although I will say that is going to be offset by many applications allowing people to use Twitter or FB sign ups first.

Thus, they can get in with an account they know and then get their Hive account as they learn more about things.

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That is a great point.

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Many people are not going to want to deal with public and private keys

This is one of the things that HAS, in combination with an application like Keychain Mobile, will probably help to solve.

You will inject your keys once and for all into your wallet, and you will never have to worry about it again.

From that moment, you then just have to approve or reject the operations that will be submitted to your consent by the applications.

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That would be pretty cool. The initial learning curve will still be a little steep for users. I know I have onboarded people and they always struggle at first with the keys. Once I help them get KeyChain setup, then they are golden.

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This is one of those obvious developments that should have been prioritized a long time ago. I figured out the need and value of something like this when I got accustomed to Keychain (and to some extent HiveSigner). It made my life so much easier when using DAPPs.

It is a great help when I want to try out a new DAPP knowing that my keys are secure. !PIZZA

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What if you could authenticate on any website, desktop, or mobile app, just providing your Hive username but no password or private key, from any device?

So I’d be able to sign in somewhere as @meesterboom and use Scots slang!

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It would just start falling out of your mouth as soon as you authenticated! 🤣

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I would love to see that happen. I'm often using the "sign in with facebook" button but sometimes on some websites for different reasons I don't want to use facebook. Sometimes because if Facebook ever want to close my account I don't want to loose those files or because I would not want to have any security weakness related to Facebook.

Being able to log in with hive would be awesome ! I don't have to trust a website and there are really few chances that my account get closed, it would mean that the whole blockchain is dead.

I would for sure use that feature a lot of time ! !PIZZA

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You captured the essence of the idea. I am looking forward to see where it stands and how long until it rolls out.

It would be great to see a Log In With Hive banner everywhere.

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Can't wait to be able to log in on Meta with Hive
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Wait until Hive puts Zuckerberg out of business.

Well maybe not since he might end up in jail before Hive becomes much of a thing.

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I believe there is a lot of potential to this idea.

As much as I dislike being so dependant on big tech, I must admit that I love the ease of being able to sign up for multiple services using a Google account. If they make it possible and safe to do the same with Hive, that will be yet another step towards full decentralization.

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I think the idea is the same type of convenience but adding a decentralized layer to it with the security of a key system. This protects an account and keeps it out of the hands of the centralized entities.

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Safety has been my priority since the start of the project, long before the ease of use that it also intends to provide to users. This was made possible thanks to the asymmetric encryption features available with the Hive blockchain.

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Awesome! I'm sure it's going to be a huge success then!

Can't wait to be able to sign in to multiple services using my Hive account!

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Sounds good and it also has perfect timing considering the number of blockchain apps we're using and how many keys/passwords we have to manage.

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This is huge, especially tied in with the KIVE Keychain which is way easier for normies to use. Great to see HIVE is still developing new tools that make our value as a blockchain network continue to increase. I see HIVE becoming one of the best dApp networks around quickly already, FedBook is censored and not secure and that is where HIVE can target them best. Cheers.

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We are filling in some of the infrastructure holes. We are only about 18 months into this chain with the community running it.

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I understand the concept but I would still wait to see how it works before giving an judgment. From what I have seen, its almost like a 2FA to give you access to the site.

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Excellent post. I am delighted to note that you have fully grasped the essence of the project and the added value it can bring to the Hive ecosystem and beyond.

Not to mention the ease of use that it will also bring to users without sacrificing security, or even improving it.

I look forward to our meeting tomorrow and hope I can fill the few gaps in understanding that I still see from reading the comments.

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This is fantastic. I hate big tech logins.
Surveillance for no benefit to the user.

This is a huge opportunity for Hive.

I’m sure that third party sites don’t like having their user base controlled by FB. This benefits independent sites as well.

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When I see these complicated technical post I always wait for Taskmaster's posts so that he can explain me in simple words the new advances of Hive. Thanks again taskmaster4450.

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Hive is:

  1. a social media platform (blog)

  2. a DeFi platform (HBD and yield)

  3. and a decentralized identity/auth platform

That is why I say it has potential!

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Agreed. Still need a few pieces put in place but we are working on it. The developers are doing a lot to fill in the gaps.

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And the hits just keep on coming! This sounds awesome! The barriers to entry just keep getting lowered brick by brick. As some have mentioned, the initial HIVE setup is still not very intuitive, but it's not THAT difficult either. Especially for the younger generation. But as task points out, the more people that keep seeing HIVE pop up in different places, the more incentivized they will become to jump through a couple hoops to set it up.

I keep seeing the phrase "slow, slow, slow, fast" popping into my brain when I read about things like this. HIVE just keeps adding more and more practical, user-friendly, and financially rewarding games/tools/dApps. Some of which have the potential to actually change the world, not just HIVE. To me it's only a matter of time until "slow, slow, slow...." turns into massive mainstream adoption. When it happens, no one will see it coming, but it will become a tidal wave.

Great work here!!! As soon as I hit the "reply" button, I will be hitting the links and voting for the proposal. Can't wait to see this all come to life.

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And the hits just keep on coming!

I like how you phrased this. It is really true. We just keep putting our heads down and building what is needed.

With enough time, we will fill in enough gaps that will make this place really special.

After all, Hive is the blockchain Vitalik is trying to build.

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This sounds like a cool idea but if there is no password or key to enter then what's to stop someone from signing into an account that isn't theirs? I must be missing something or just don't understand how things work.

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The middleware is tied to your hive verification system, like Keychain. Thus it gets the authorization from Keychain which has your stuff loaded.

At least that is how I read it.

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Oh, that makes more since, so in lite of that info it would be really cool.

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This is awesome. Can't wait for tomorrows Crypto Maniacs, I will be able to catch it live. Thanks buddy this has been informative. Hive Authnetication Services can be a big game changer for our community :-)

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We are looking forward to you being there.

Thanks for the support. We will try to make it a great show.

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It was an awesome show. I was late the guest was late and it was a great show. Managing all the Hive keys from your cell phone and not having to worry about which key to use for what front end it simplifies everything. I can't wait to see what happens in the next 5 years :-)

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Sign in with Hive could really be a game changer for us.
It simplifies the sign in process for Hive users and will also move the Hive name out their.

I will read more updates on HAS .

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How can I give this a test??

Anyway, a !BEER from me to you

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