Hive Versus Leo: Come On Stop The Childishness

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A bit of a tiff keeps popping up. It is this childlike notion that Leo is competing with Hive or the view that Leo is detracting from Hive or vice versa.

This is not a productive approach for anyone.

In this video I discuss how it is impossible to separate the two and they are not in competition. Anything that is done on Leofinance ends up posted on the Hive blockchain.


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It's the dumbest conversation ever. It's like comparing ETH apps to Ethereum and saying that people who build apps on Ethereum are bad for the Ethereum blockchain.

We build LEO here because it's the best chain for our project. You can't teach blind people to see, but I do hope that small minded people are removed from "office" (a.k.a. the top 20).

I'm pretty tired of the "debate" but I don't think we can call it a debate. It's a small group of small-minded people spewing nonsense. I jumped in today after hearing so much b.s. for the past few months from them but now I'm convinced they're even more ignorant than before. I'm done with them, today was the last time I'll respond to them in any way, shape or form.

I'll keep building and they can keep sitting around or whatever they claim to do all day.

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That's the attitude. People are gonna always be talking and criticizing and it's such a loss of time and energy to engage and try to explain them basic math over and over again.

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It's been hard for me to stay out of the conversations because I hate when people throw around baseless accusations about us leaving or us talking down about Hive. It's really sad and this project means a lot not only to me but to the whole community.

Today, I realized that I was right to stay out of it from the start. I appreciate everyone like you, @rollandthomas, @taskmaster4450 and others who are reminding me to steer clear of these people and not waste my time.

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Exactly. It's pure wasted time. I have this experience over all sort of issues. Let them bark and do what you do the best. Don't waste your energy on such useless situation. We're patiently waiting for microblogging, LEO is breaking ATH after ATH, there's plenty of new users every week. Everything is taking off... I know where I'm at with Leofinance, I see its potential and its base, I definitely see the true value of Hive as a blockchain and there's nothing and no one taking me of this course. Don't waste any more energy on this one, it's useless.

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If you want to argue constructively do it by continuing to improve returns for investors in LEO, first they fight you, then you win! Some Ghandi dude said that, so it must be right

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I like this! It must be right becomes someone good said it!

Well, "first they fight you, then you win!" is probably true. Not because Ghan-something said it, but because it's proven again and again.

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The thing is no one said Leofinance is bad for hive? You just attacked a guy raising valid concerns about Leo, who btw likes Leofinance.

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We build LEO here because it's the best chain for our project. You can't teach blind people to see, but I do hope that small minded people are removed from "office" (a.k.a. the top 20).

This!

I hope everyone in LeoFinance will check their witness votes.

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Don't worry, if it's not leofinance, it's something else. It's always easier to blame someone for your lack of success of evolution. It can be frustrating though, I know.

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I think, these are the people who don't believe in HIVE's potential.

IMHO, not only Leofinance but every tribe/community is a gate into HIVE for the outside world, and if Leo or any of the tribe/community is attracting more users it is not a bad thing for HIVE, this way outside world, at least, having some highlights from the HIVE universe.

If any of the tribe/community is expanding, it is not occupying HIVE's space, it is expanding outside, and in a way, HIVE is expanding with them.

Again, as someone said, "just my thoughts, though".

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Excellent point. There are many who do not believe in Hive's potential. It is really sad that it comes from some of the largest stakeholders.

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I don't know who exactly we are talking about, I can guess only one name, but if you say they are some of the biggest stakeholder, and don't believe in Hive .... then we have a huge problem.

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I think, these are the people who don't believe in HIVE's potential.

You may be right, but then again, creating drama will lead nowhere, that's not the answer. Drama won't reinstate their belief in Hive, so why do it? I really can't see or understand what's gping on here.

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Like you I am also late to the party and don't know who we are referring to, but what else could be said if anyone thinks that Hive can be threatened by any of its own second layer token.

I agree, drama will take us nowhere until and unless there are some solid reasoning behind that drama and I'd love to know those reasons.

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Wholeheartedly agree. The debate is silly. Leo is not a Hive competitor lol.

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This supposed competition is nonsense. Leofinance is a tribe, having its own second layer token, benefiting from a lot of developments and users and traffic and that's simply great. The ones claiming the opposite and seeing Leofinace as competition are simply proving how limited their views are and how much they want the general success for Hive. They actually are only pursuing their own wealth and probably frustrated they came late to the party or not at all.

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This supposed competition is nonsense.

Yep

They actually are only pursuing their own wealth and probably frustrated they came late to the party or not at all.

That is the perception many have. Whether it is accurate or not can be debated but that is the impression many have. It is also one that seems to be gaining steam.

When the outlook of the community changes, that is when things start to change.

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I believed it was always part of HIVE blockchain because everything was using the keychain extension. However, I think the main reason why people are talking about it is because of the downtrending HIVE price. I do believe HIVE is undervalued since I believed that everything is linked together.

I do have one question though: WLEO is considered a token on it's own or is it still considered as part of HIVE? It is my opinion right now was that it wasn't but I am not sure.

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wLEO exists on the Ethereum blockchain. It is a cross chain integration. It is part of LEO in the sense that the total amount of tokens in circulation did not change. When LEO is wrapped for wLEO, it is effectively locked up until it is unwrapped. This is similar to how Hive-Engine does it with Hive and Swap.hive.

The cross chain integration took another step forward with the sign up using metamask feature. That is also Ethereum, not hive. However, since a Hive account is created (and can be claimed by the user), anything they do on Leofinance in terms of posting, commenting, voting, etc.. is posted to the Hive blockchain.

Thus both are a major advantage to Hive since wLeo improves the liquidity of LEO and metamask offers the opportunity for Ethereum people to effectively post on Hive.

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Be the change!

Great points man....I think you nailed it on that last point...

'We're all in this together!"

Seeing LEO crush it is making me more bullish on Hive!

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Seeing LEO crush it is making me more bullish on Hive!

How can it not? It also paves the way for other applications to follow. There is a lot of potential for the entire ecosystem if people will pay attention.

Over time, through the first quarter is my guess, we will see massive changes in the overall situation on Hive. The development is that fast.

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I use Actifit, Leo, Hive, sportstalk, Splinterlands, and watch 3speak vids. Thats a lot of blockchain action!

I was one of the first supporters of Actifit, I still use it like once a week. I haven't heard much about it lately but I've always like the management team.

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I chatted with Mcfarhat a few weeks back and he was putting together something that he said was a big deal. I thought it would be announced by now but maybe it turned out to be more work than expected.

My guess is you hear something out of that team probably by month end.

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I'm also using actifit and a bunch of other dapps. I don't think there are many who only use leofinance.

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And that is fine. To each there own. This is the great part about Hive, there are options for people.

There are going to be a lot who use the games and only that. They will not enter the blogging or any other realm.

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There are going to be a lot who use the games and only that.

That is actually good. Gamers are all in for competition and once the word spreads, we can only benefit.

Who knows, maybe I'll become a gamer too if there will be something I like.

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you are right about it. one thing mentioned of leo user using actifit... main problem is, no one is mentioning anyone else. and i understand it from the perspective of app maker. everyone wants users to stay on their app for as much time possible. but from overall blockchain perspective, leo users not knowing about sports, or splinterlands users not knowing about blogging and vlogging is bad.

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... leo users not knowing about sports, or splinterlands users not knowing about blogging and vlogging is bad.

I would say it is impossible for any active Leo user to not know about other applications. There are a ton of posts each day about sports, splinterlands, cryptobrewmaster, etc on Leofinance. In fact, they tend to make up a large percentage of the posting.

As for the other applications, it is really up to the people who are on them. Thus far it matters little since it does not appear any project is bringing in a lot of users. Instead, it is just circulating existing users throughout the different apps. That is a good thing but it doesnt end up leading to growth.

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@dalz could you check this out? i know you are the dedicated stats guy on leo. How many new users (lets say last 3 months) registered through leofinance posted or commented on posts that are not on leofinance?
I could probably do it, but i would need to spend few hours learning how to do it. And it would be interesting to see.

I know that the % of splinterlands new accounts that voted or made a post is really low. (that is easier for me to query :D )

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Its around 500 accounts... how many posted on non leo frontend needs aditional analysis

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that is why i mentioned you. i can do those easy queries but i don't know the structure to do the queries where i need to exclude some stuff.

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Let's say newly registered users throughout the new login methods don't know much about hive or other dapps/communities but that's only at the beginning.

Look at how many are posting about Splinterlands and dcity on leofinance. Also how many posts are science related and posted through stemgeeks and using both tags. Just a few examples. This is how I formation is spreading and we all learn new things on a daily basis. Plus engaging is reaching unseen levels on leofinance, so there's no way one can be stuck at Leofinance and not know about the rest of the ecosystem.

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i tried to check that out, but it is out of my database queries knowledge. it would also be fun to see.
i was not going for leo in particular, i was talking in general. we are small group of people yet a lot of things are missed and not seen. that maybe means that a lot is happening.

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Maybe you can team up with someone and share some data. It would be fun and interesting. Maybe you can find someone to help you. You have my support :)

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Leofinance is probably the best reason why hive is a success.

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Well I am one that sees Hive as bigger than Leofinance and there is a lot of terrific development that is taking place outside Leofinance. We are going to see some interesting things taking shape over the first quarter of this year.

Leo is a part of it, without a doubt. It all feeds the same trough as they say.

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Very myopic thinking. I must say that people who say such things stand to lose a big chunk of credibility in my eyes.

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Totally agree with you but unfortunately the tendency to clash and be a fan of someone or something is inherent in the human soul....
LEO is the proof of how Hive is the perfect and best blockchain for project, community and Dapp development.
LEO is a part of Hive and the growth in value of one or the other is only good for all of us hivers.
!BEER

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You summed it up very well. Glad you hit upon that point.

It does actually validate Hive completely. Development of layer 2 projects is exactly what we want.

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i have said it multiple times on many posts/comments sections/discord to the point that i am bored to keep on "recycling" the same thing.

Hive is the mother leo is the kid, we are tied together and if one is to prosper it will benefit the other as well.

Leo has made the onboarding process easier. Let's say 300 people join Leo through that process and automatically have and a hive account (most likely).

If someone thinks that those 300 will remain on Leo they are simply stupid. Those 300 find leo because they wanna join the world of crypto, find new ways to earn money online and some ofc like finance content.

Not everyone likes that content though and i am sure that after joining they will do a little bit of digging and find the community that best serves them!

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Let's say 300 people join Leo through that process and automatically have and a hive account (most likely).

They ALL have a Hive account. That is automatically set up on the back end. Whether they claim it or not is a different story.

You are right of those who remain a percentage will find their way to other applications.

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Envying others can be a dangerous path. This is stupid to say the least. People are interested in many things and can use whatever dapp, community or frontend and we all benefit from it.
Turning against each other is the fastest road to nowhere! Time to grow up and get to work instead of creating drama.

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I am not sure it is envy. It might be but it seems more a lack of full understanding what is taking place.

Leo feeds into Hive, I do not know how people do not understand that.

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Leo feeds into Hive, I do not know how people do not understand that.

I guess that will remain a mystery but still hope they will get it soon as this is not productive.

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The subject say it all as I can't listen to the entire video at the moment but, it is quite disappointing to see all of the Leo vs Hive going on, on Tweeter.

How do we expect outsiders to view us by portraying such foolishness? It is quite annoying to be frank and it is form people that understands the HIVE quite well.

We just got to get it, LEO's success is HIVE's success and vice versa.

We've got to grow up and realize HIVE and all that dwells on it is our responsibility to see them grow.

With childish acts like this I don't see us getting anywhere close to being a successful blockchain.

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All true. And unfortunately it appears that one side is doing things to try and push Hive forward.

Not sure what the motivation is.

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Unfortunately a majority of people like to bitch and complain instead of reading and learning. I guess because it's the easy road and sadly most people take the easy road?

LEO is on HIVE it's just like a token that support the price of Ethereum for example. If anything LEO is helping improve the price of Hive right now and hopefully start sparking some innovation and real work into Hive instead of sitting around.

I don't know the full groundwork nor do I think I care to invest the time to learn it but if people are sitting around on Hive that should be doing work and running well managed nodes and they aren't let's get them the heck out of there and replaced with someone who will. This will take a good bit of awareness.

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Unfortunately a majority of people like to bitch and complain instead of reading and learning. I guess because it's the easy road and sadly most people take the easy road?

Isn't that the truth. They want to point fingers at those who are working and contributing instead of doing it themselves.

It is said that the successful people are far too busy to engage in childish games. That is why they are the ones who get stuff done. You want something accomplished, find someone who is busy.

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it seems foolish to me to create sterile controversies between hive and leofinance.

It's like my body gets mad at my legs because they can run or walk. We are one and if I strengthen my legs it is to prepare my body to be athletic.

Hive is the body, Leofinance is the legs. Legs cannot run or walk without a body. Amen

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LOL yes excellent analogy. Looking at it from that perspective, it makes a lot of sense...or perhaps it doesnt.

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There is only Hive and Leo, everything else makes no sense and it's sad how much time is wasted on that topic time over time!

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All LEO holders are also Hive holders. Leo is bringing a lot of attention to Hive so any publicity is good publicity in my books. The low price of Hive has absolutely nothing to do with Leofinance. I don't believe that for a second.

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To some degree yes. I think part of the problem might be the illusion that the price of HIVE is being hurt by those buying LEO by selling HIVE. This is not the case since it is on H-E/leodex, and the token never leaves the ecosystem.

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LOL but you can only get LEO buy buying ETH or HIVE sooooooo it creates demand for both pairs, I don't get how someone doesn't get that. You think ETH would be $1000 if it wasn't the bridge holding billions in assets

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Baffling to me also but you are correct.

Plus Leo trades on Hive Engine/Leodex, meaning those platforms have to have enough HIVE on them.

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Who exactly are these mentally deranged idiots anyways. What they are doing is like shooting your own right foot for going ahead of the next foot. that's just how you move forward. it's a positive feedback loop. LEO will feed Hive and Hive will feed LEO. Anybody who couldn't realize this is not mentally competent for a debate. There's literally no debate to be had. I hope none of these are witnesses. If so please let me know I can remove my votes.

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Colorful assessment @d-zero but I cannot dispute what you right.

It seems to be the proverbial "amazing grasp of the obvious".

I am not sure how anyone things that an application succeeding could be fracturing the community.

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No wonder some of the most promising DHF projects aren't getting voted. @good-karma created something amazing with https://hivesearcher.com We at least have @dapplr and other front ends as alternatives to @ecency But what do we have as an alternative to https://hivesearcher.com??? It's the only thing that can help people dig thorugh the older content on Hive. What's the point of even storing all these if we can't properly search and index them!

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Oh man this is so in german we say “Kindergarten“ like childhood in english. There is a lot off “mimimi“
The best is always to worl together not against!

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So funny. Shortly before I came to the article, I thought that LEO enriches Hive a lot and is a good example of how to be successful ( , the airdrop good community, good tokenomics, good concept, cross-chain project ) and why you should build on Hive.

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Am I that other Lion on Actifit? 😃
Been there 2+ years, 300+ reports.
But...my expectations on AFIT are melted, almost to zero.

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The entire concept of paying people to exercise doesn't make sense unless having healthy community members benefits the governance structure. Basically it makes sense to pay people to be healthy if you have to pay for their medical bills or if you profit off of heathy citizens.

The only way this concept can work is if the token involved does far more than just reward activity.

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Oh man @actifit... forgot all about that project... I think I have a bunch of tokens that I don't even know how to access lol.

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Leo all the way! You damn Hivetist!

Just kidding I am out of the loop used to be a Steemian 3 years ago. But good to see the drama never dies :D

Also did I just hear dporn? Oo

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Summary:
In this video, Taskmaster discusses the unnecessary debate between Leo and Hive on Twitter, Discord, and various blockchain platforms. He emphasizes the interconnectedness of all applications built on Hive and how the success of one benefits the entire ecosystem. Taskmaster delves into the idea that no single application can overpower the entire Hive blockchain and urges the community to focus on unity and collective growth. He stresses the importance of active participation, engagement, and investment in the Hive ecosystem to drive its success.

Detailed Article:
Taskmaster addresses the ongoing debate between Leo and Hive, highlighting the misunderstanding and unnecessary competition between the two entities. He clarifies that applications like Leo, 3Speak, Actifit, and Stem Geeks, all built on Hive, are integral parts of the Hive ecosystem. Taskmaster emphasizes that the success of these individual applications contributes to the overall success of Hive by attracting more users and generating activity on the blockchain.

He dismisses the notion that any single application, including Leo Finance, can single-handedly alter the course of Hive. Taskmaster stresses the collective effort required to strengthen the Hive ecosystem and advises against divisive behavior or petty conflicts within the community. He advocates for a focus on building, commenting, creating content, coding, networking, and investing to enhance the growth and development of the Hive blockchain.

Taskmaster also discusses the significance of stake in the Hive ecosystem, emphasizing that individual contributions, no matter how small, collectively impact the network. He encourages active participation in voting for witnesses and proposals to shape the future of Hive positively. Taskmaster underscores the potential for individuals to progress from smaller accounts to stronger positions within the ecosystem, emphasizing consistency, dedication, and unity as key pillars for growth.

In conclusion, Taskmaster reiterates the importance of unity and collaboration within the Hive community, emphasizing that everyone dedicated to the platform plays a vital role in its success. He calls for a shift in focus towards productive activities that benefit the ecosystem as a whole, rather than engaging in unnecessary conflicts or competition. Ultimately, the video serves as a reminder of the interconnected nature of the Hive blockchain and the collective responsibility of its community members in fostering its growth and development.

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