Dear Power Peeps, Did You Learn Anything You Would Apply If Given A 2nd Chance?

berniesanders last year

Based on this post, I’ve learned you’re naive and love to support fucking trash like you mention above. Goodbye.

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11 votes

joshman last year (edited)

Sincerely, what happened to you? I get the feeling you give zero fucks. Am I wrong?

If only we could harness this negative energy into something more productive! The top of trending, anything over $150 would be sweet.

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berniesanders last year

Is it that obvious?

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joshman last year

Is this like when my lady asks as we are about to leave for dinner if anyone will notice the huge zit on her face?

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berniesanders last year (edited)

Why does she have a huge zit on her face?

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joshman last year

Hormones? Ah shit, maybe I got her pregnant.

Thanks for the link, I'll add it to my Amazon wishlist along with a Clear Blue Easy!

See, you can be helpful!

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berniesanders last year

Consider a vasectomy, probably cheaper in the long run.

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cryptogee last year

Says the ultimate trash.

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abusereports last year

YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.

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10 votes

berniesanders last year

That’s cute, and so original, little girl.

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cryptogee last year

Aww thank you General Butthurt that means so much to me.

Love you! X

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abusereports last year

YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.

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berniesanders last year (edited)

Huh? Can’t see your comments. You’re too poor to keep them visible.

Enjoy arguing with my bot. Silly retard.

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cryptogee last year

Lol, keep thinking that flagging is real power.

Still love you Lord Butthurt X

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abusereports last year

YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.

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joe.public (1) last year

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rentmoney last year

Did you learn that people don't want to pay to make comments on social media? (ie the RC issue that restricted people's ability to comment drove them away)

I don't follow much of the politics on STEEM but I do believe the above was a massive blunder and at the time of its introduction I voiced my concerns about that.

Steemit is a social media site even though some like to claim it isn't. Today's world offers countless FREE ways to blog and do other activities that social media sites (Like Steemit) provide so expecting users to come here and pay was a little ambitious of those who decided to implement the change.

I do think the pay to play model could work but first Steemit/Steem needs to build its user base allot bigger then it currently is so the blow of user loss doesn't hit as hard once its implemented.

The other big issue I see is advertisement. Why don't I see any adds for STEEMIT anywhere ? I mean even basic grunt work of putting up some physical billboards / road signs .... would be a step in the right direction. I don't see it advertised on any random web-pages either.

This place is hard to find, hard to sign up to and hard to get noticed on. No need in making it hard to participate on as well.

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davemccoy last year

I wish my vote was $200 and not 2 cents... I'd still upvote this 100%. Agree with everything you said @rentmoney. Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!

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lordbutterfly last year

I just want to flag bastards.

Its as simple as that for me.

Posting doesnt earn me much, comments neither. The selfvoting i do is once per occasional post.

Hf21 wont do anything. It will make things different but thats it.

Quality creators will leave since the price is steadily going down to the ATL and posting is a waste of time since

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davemccoy last year

I think that is turning into consensus for sure @lordbutterfly! Thanks for the comment!

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lynncoyle1 last year

Well Dave, I come and go as time allows, but I still see that unfortunately not much has changed here. There's also not much I can add to all the comments, except to say that it's nice to see you still trying to improve this platform.

Hope life is treating you well buddy😊❤️

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davemccoy last year

Hey Lynn! Nice to see you, its been way too long... How is the farmgirl in Mexico doing these days? How is Brian doing?

I hope everything is going ok for the both of you and I'm super glad to see that you caught this post! I don't really post much anymore, so I thought that most of my friends have moved on... This is terrific to see a @lynncoyle1 message :)

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lynncoyle1 last year

Aww thanks Dave! I don't post much anymore myself, although I did one a few weeks ago as an update on Brian; check out the details there, but he had a major stroke awhile ago and is doing well now.

I hope you're doing well? ...all steemit stuff aside😊

And it's great hearing from you as well!

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davemccoy last year

checking right now Lynn... and happy to hear he's fine now, and I'm doing ok... not spending as much time here and getting more outside, so that helps my body a bit!

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lynncoyle1 last year

I've totally lessened my time here as well Dave. And yes, outside is way better for both our old-ish bods 😊

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niallon11 last year

There are a lot of good statements in this post that I would love to see addressed. While we might have the best blockchain in terms of technology and use case, we are significantly falling behind in terms of STEEM for real people. While there are lots of apps on the blockchain now compared to just having steemit like in the past, we are still haunted by basic users friendliness.

People being able to sign up instantly, posts and interact without being abused and get their content noticed by other users. I still don't know how i stayed the course over the first six months as I wrote to nobody, earned nothing and had my account attacked by a large stakeholder for calling them out on abuse. But I did and i'm still here because I can see what we could do here. The potential of the STEEM system.

So many users that have left over the past couple of years due to to the same old issues. At least with the tribes some of them are trying to do it right from the start. Have mod accounts to silence the shit posts and curators to push the good ones. If we are going to be successful then it won't have anything to do with steemit.com as a site for users it will be the apps that bring people in. My first task for the proposal system will be to present for a way to onboard people instantly so that all the apps can sign up people straight to their own site and not go anywhere near steemit.com. Join palnet or another site until they get the hang of the system and look into everything else later on.

I think that in the future most people won't even see the STEEM side of things. They will sign up through the different apps, just use those and then have a wallet for STEEM and whatever token they are earning. The won't ever see the side of it that we deal with now. All it will take is the right tools for people to make this happen.

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davemccoy last year

First, thank you for the compliment on the post... And second, I agree with many of your ideas and proposals. I do think the same old issues need to be addressed, but if you're right then the system will bypass the old system and spawn a new one. I can see that as a possibility, but I hope the people at the top actually learn from the past. There are many people here such as yourself that has persevered and truly want to see this be super successful.

Thanks again for replying with such a thoughtful response!

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davemccoy last year (edited)

awesome... thank you @helpie... I'm breaking my diet for that piece of cake for sure!

ps... love to see the curation you guys are doing here and I assume elsewhere @niallon11... Great job!!!

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simplymike last year

Sad to see that one only needs to take a look at the downvotes on this post to know the answers to your questions.... :0(

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davemccoy last year

Indeed

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joshman last year

This is an awesome post on so many levels. I think that in the past people have feared retaliation from the bad elements, but now the price of Steem is so low they've got nothing to lose. People are starting to see through the weak rationalisations applied to toxic behavior by people with more stake than sense.

People are also starting to band together to pressure the change they want to see.

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davemccoy last year

Thank you very much @joshman!!!

I agree with you on your thoughts too... there is no doubt people didn't want to be downvoted for speaking their minds and now since we have nothing to lose, then there is much less concern. Maybe that is a trend and it would be welcomed in my opinion. I think it would be awesome if many started to speak out (constructively) to let the people in power know how to fix it! After all, you can't fix something if you don't know its broken! ;)

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buggedout last year

I've been speaking up about things for a while and, like you, have been ignored. No flags on me so far, but with HF21 around the corner and free downvotes I expect that will change soon enough. I believe it will soon come to pass that there will be ZERO dissenting voices on the platform.

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davemccoy last year

yep agree completely. I guess we'll see but I think you're going to be right.

Thanks for speaking out though, the effort to help is recognized by me!!! (too bad I'm not a Power Peep) :P

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cryptkeeper17 last year

In this case I wish you were wrong, but unfortunately your are not. Time to rethink the strategy and have a hell of an idea of what this platform wants--and how to get it otherwise the 'moves' at the top are nothing more than for show. Get a clue of the game theory and behavior you want steemit to make up, then go from there. Blindly tossing a 'tokenized social network' out to the sharks to devour and turn into a radioactive garbage heap sure wasn't the answer, but luckily the games and other dapps have come through for you finally and picked up a great deal of slack. This needs to be available to sample for the masses, once they find out about and are given a chance to stay. There is enough creative people in this ecosystem to make it work, but creativity, economic and game theory don't work the greatest under "tyrannical indifference." Many of what you talk about @davemccoy has all happened verbatim how it's described by you in this post. The key is bringing more or better, take that back better creativity and vision to overhaul the platform and become more proactive. Steemit Inc is not at fault for the crypto meltdown but due to prior piss poor management it's getting passed by outright concepts that don't carry a fraction of the practical ability of what has happened recently. So until the public gets wind of what's going on here we sit and watch the tumbleweeds roll through until fresh people replace the defectors and we as a community as a whole do a better job of keeping them around if at all possible.

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davemccoy last year

well said @cryptkeeper17! And I especially like the visualization of us watching the tumbleweeds roll as time passes. There is so much that can be done if they ever decide to seize the opportunity!

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abitcoinskeptic last year

Is Steem value low enough yet for a true second chance? Will it not just mostly play out the same way?
Although Steem has been losing to both BTC and USD, including market ranking, I think they is a fundemnetal issue with inflation causing this an not Steem itself since it is better than most blockchains with higher values. I suspect quality content creators just don't think Steem is worth it as this point and we are left with niche content producers that cannot possibly onboard enough new users (myself included).

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davemccoy last year (edited)

I think the answer is yes to the first question. It is now to the point that people are not wasting their time posting or doing much on steemit anymore. If this doesn't scare the shit out of anyone with power, then they should have their heads examined.

Inflation is not the issue at all with Steem in my opinion... Inflation is irrelevant when the coin has dropped from $8 to $0.20... The drop is due to the loss of faith in the platform, because they haven't "flooded" the system with tons of coins like other alt coins. There was once a very vibrant funnel of new users onboarding and many communities for them to go to.

They made many mistakes in that process, but the WORST was when they changed the formula to get rid of SPAM. They essentially made it impossible for a free user to make more than a few comments a day, and while it succeeded at eliminating spam, it did so by eliminating users. Now the platform has been on a steady and rapid fall from that point. Its movement determined by the downward spiral that is the opposite of the the virtuous upcycle benefits. Less people = less money = less posting = less people = less money...etc ... I have never sold or powered down any of my Steem Power and today my whole account is worth less $s that it was in my first month here. In other words, had I sold in my first month and went away, I would have more real money than now. The next 20 months of my time has not only yielded NOTHING, but instead has COST me by having faith they would get the right formula.

I'm not complaining to complain, I can frankly live fine if it goes to $0. But if someone looks at that example, then they can realize exactly why people have left the platform. It isn't due to the inflation (that is such a small part of it). Its due to disgust and disenchantment and a general loss of faith that the people in power will FIX their mistakes.

And yes, quality content creators will not come here at this point. I know filmmakers, actors, and political pundits personally and I would never invite them at this point because it is embarrassing with some of the shenanigans I listed above. Until they get serious about having a quality platform, then my guess is the quality content creators will stay away.

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abitcoinskeptic last year

I see your point, come to think of it, the inflation argument is fairly weak since it hasn't inflated by 10X and it won't for many years or whatever.

RC makes sense to a certain point, but it doesn't make sense the way it is set up now. New accounts should get a lot more RC, let's say enough for 500 or so interactions a day provided their rep isn't headed down the drain. Maybe even increase it as they do a tutorial or something. In anycase, people do start off with a purpose and it limits them severely. They can be taught to 'behave' after they misbehave. It's shouldn't have been implimented without RC sharing and SMTs at the very least. It seems like they pushed the wrong things forward at the wrong time. Now HF21 may also be poorly timed as well.
In any case, I do think that some sort of floor has been reached however it will be very difficult to turn around the reputation of this place. It may take one or two spin off communities before it is possible.
There is just too much crap making a ton of money and all the big stake holders just vote for themselves or people who endless post about steem which has 0 interest to people who don't own steem.
I remember when I first came here, it was god awful amateur musicians, artists students and people writing about how awesome Steem and EOS were who made all the money. Also, I didn't understand vote selling or buying then, so I would see weird content getting hundreds and even thousands of dollars worth of random votes and just wondering what the hell is this? It's barely changed.

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davemccoy last year

very well said ... all of it...

I particularly like your points elaborating on how the RC SHOULD be handled. Frankly, this was the mistake they made that really really turned me away from trying too hard. My gut told me that it was going to dry up the flow of new people, and while I tried to make the points at the time, nobody with any power seemed to care. Wasting too much of my time on a dying platform was my feeling, so I really have been way less involved than I used to be. Thank goodness for Steemmonsters or I would've probably left completely.

I still have all the steem I've ever made, and I'm sure I'll continue with it until the lights are turned off. I just wish one day you'd see the power peeps take the time to wade through these types of posts (and comments), to really learn how the users feel and the great ideas to make things better!

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shadowspub last year

Inflation is not the issue at all with Steem in my opinion... Inflation is irrelevant when the coin has dropped from $8 to $0.20... The drop is due to the loss of faith in the platform, because they haven't "flooded" the system with tons of coins like other alt coins

You know, I saw almost the exact same comments when Steem made it's way down from $5 to 7cents and then those comments went away when it shot up to $8 in the last crypto bull market and people poured in expecting to make the bucks. Then we go into another bear market and we see this all again.

History does repeat itself.

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davemccoy last year

thanks for the comment... I am guessing you think by your comment that its all a function of the macro market and Steem hasn't done anything to lose any confidence (or it is irrelevant if they did so).... If so, I hope you're right, but of course have my doubts!

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shadowspub last year

the price of Steem is largely market driven. I also find it interesting that you and many others refer to Steem like some entity that has a board meeting to decide what it's going to do next.

The upside to a platform like Steem is the freedom for others to pursue diverse paths on the platform. The downside is identifying and resolving problems with the direction of the platform is slow and takes a collective will. A will that seems to be sporadic at best. Part of that slowness comes from there not being a community wide consensus of what works and what doesn't, even by those who are engaged and interested.

Not everyone agrees self-voting is a problem while some think that even the smallest account self-voting is evil. Some see the use of bid-bots or vote selling the same way. There are those on this platform will zero respect for those who create content or for that matter even realize that the platform needs content in multiple forms.

Our diversity is both our strength and our weakness.

Many like to complain about what they perceive as problems yet don't seek to find ways to contribute toward the solution (speaking generally here). While others will announce that the consequences of their own behaviour is a failing of the platform.

People are messy, community is messier.

I just find it really fascinating that as the markets drop the negative takes on a higher importance than when the markets are higher.

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davemccoy last year

interesting points... I do realize there's no board, but I do believe the top stakeholders communicate among themselves. I may be wrong, but it seems like the power at the top is concentrated and decide who the witnesses are. So if that's the case, you'd think they would be interested in the witnesses policing bad behavior on the platform. (whatever they determine it is)

But I've also heard the theory that everything is just where they want it to be. That if the few at the top keep their power concentrated, then they can move it up and down at their will. I don't know the truth, but happy to have your thoughts on the subject... so thank you for the replies!

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shadowspub last year

not sure that they can move it up and down as they wish ... or they would not be taking the hosing they have been recently. There be some pumping to allow for dumping. That hasn't been happening. Some of those larger stakeholders bought in during the last bull run, so they need to back up.

The larger stakeholders do some communicating but I see no indication that it is in any organized manner that they'd actually reach some consensus .. for the most part there are factions who pursue their own self interests while complaining about others who pursue their self interests

Basically.. people peopling as they always have

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davemccoy last year

lol... love the last point! So true :)

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berniesanders last year

Hilariously naive.

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shadowspub last year

possibly.... OR ... I've just not allowed cynicism to take over my view yet.

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berniesanders last year

No, you’re just naive.

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shadowspub last year

I think you know me better than that

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cryptogee last year

Says Stemit's tinpot dictator

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abusereports last year

YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.

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berniesanders last year

That’s cute coming from someone as weak and poor as you.

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cryptogee last year

Great comeback. Who's your gag man? You must give me his email.

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abusereports last year

YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.

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joe.public (1) last year (edited)

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maxwellmarcusart last year

Thoughtful questions that need to be put into consideration. Wish the top gurus will see this.

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davemccoy last year

Thank you for that @maxwellmarcusart... I too wish they would see it. And not only the post, but the comments like yours too. Its really not as hard as they seem to think it is, it just needs a little common sense and listen to users thoughts, ideas, opinions!

Thanks for the reply as well, its appreciated :)

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maxwellmarcusart last year

Exactly! But as the saying goes "common sense is not common". They would hardly adhere to the opinions of the masses.

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cryptogee last year

Excellent post, I wish we could get it featured because you have just hit several nails on the head!

I will resteem and hopefully get more people voting this up, however it is like one of the problems you've mentioned. The bidbots have destroyed any chance that posts like this deserve.

I found myself yesterday trying to explain Steemit to a friend I haven't seen for a while, and I struggled to say anything positive about it.

He logged on and saw the trending page while I was talking and said; *"...this is a pyramid scheme." I didn't even have the strength to argue with him.

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abusereports last year

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10 votes

bashadow last year

customer support/relations?

What is that on steemit? Where is it on steemit? Who is it on Steemit?

No one knows, I don't think it exists.

After realizing that nobody with any power cared (or weren't listening), I stopped offering tough but constructive advice.

While what I offered was more of opinion as a user, yeah, pretty much gave up on that. No ears on the receiving side. I still remember there POLL about downvotes, 32 hours old, poll closed the vast majority agreed with it. Yeah vast in their minds was less than 0.00002% of the active people on steemit or there about at my uneducated guess.

Steemit, not stem block chain, is a neighborhood bully, and an unconcerned governing body. I know they will deny it, but when it only takes two people to decide the witnesses, well, not good.

I think the two top witnesses voters should un vote all the people they are currently voting for and recuse themselves from witness voting for two years, just to see what an organic set of witnesses would look like.

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davemccoy last year

lol yes my point exactly on the customer relations @bashadow!

and couldn't agree more about the witnesses... I think they think they are giving the "appearance" of giving people a voice, but fail to realize that the people will eventually learn the truth. While of course it gave them a brief bit of success when they fooled enough people, in the end it will always come back when people see the flaws inherent in the reality (vs the perception they would like people to believe).

I do think their fear of not trusting their users is behind the issue, but unless they take that plunge they will continue to wane IMO. And for the record, I don't think the answer is for them to be completely hands off either. I think "engagement"by the power peeps with all levels is very important. And they have to have BALLS when they see things that are clearly wrong. Shit, any of us could go into separate rooms and make a list of our top 20 grievances; and I bet you we have 15 in common across the board. It doesn't take genius to recognize this, it takes a willingness to learn and accept that you don't have all the answers.

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bashadow last year (edited)

Internet anarchy does not work. The decentralized myth does not work. Hands off does not work. Rule by fear, or force does not work. They must be learning something, but they still fear the people.

Guidance by just simply stating this is what we think is best, but it is your platform also, so what do you think? The 'alliance fund' distribution, and this new 'Delegation Committee' they just came out with, is all to say this is what "we have given you a voice", talk to them, complain to them, Fall out teams, steemit's own personal fall out shelters I feel. What is the difference between the two, more red tape, not sure they have thought this out at all. It just seems like more smoke and mirrors to me.

So we have @steemalliance, (the steemfoundation), the 'Delegation Committee', and steemit, Steem Block chains own little Triad. Future denial plausibility built-in system, it's not our department go talk to-blah blah.

Still if they could open their ears to the users needs and wants they would see that we and us and them are really not at odds with each other, we all want steem block chain to survive and thrive. In a lot of ways Steem Block Chain is thriving, it is just steemit that is not. I still use the steemit front end, a few others still use it, but a lot of people are moving to the other front ends, steempeak seems very popular right now. They are listening to their users wants and needs, and making changes to how the content is displayed and viewed. (my wife uses it, so I get kept up to date on why I should switch). I am thinking about it. Busy was up and coming, I am not sure where they are now, or partiko, prices may have something to do with their lack of news, I don't really know much about the other ones.

I think onboarding by the alternate front ends is going to be the turn around for steem block chain, I think steemit can see that, and are in preservation mode, they may have left beta, but they are still in the we don't know what direction we are taking mode, so they are pulling themselves apart.

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shadowspub last year

So we have @steemalliance, the steemfoundation, the 'Delegation Committee', and steemit,

@steemalliance is the Steem Foundation which is in the process of setting up and structuring its work.

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bashadow last year

I did not word that part very well I should have put the steemfoundation in parenthesizes (the steemfoundation). I hope I did not confuse to many people, I will go back and edit that.

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davemccoy last year

you confused me a little, but frankly I got the gist of your point... The bottom line is your points are informative and should be listened to by those that want to know how their changes will be received. You have always been on the lookout for the little guys, and honestly its the little guys that add up when they want to see growth.

And glad your wife is keeping you in the loop, that's great... its always good to have another pair of eyes! :)

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luegenbaron last year

Interesting. Will join this topic later on.

Now I gotta do real-life stuff..^^

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10 votes

davemccoy last year

thanks for stopping by and always real-life stuff is more important!!! :)

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paulag last year

Some good news is that we do have a second chance but I think it will end up being third time lucky.

I have been thinking a lot lately about how broke steem seems to be and I dont think hf21 is the answer. I have also been looking at the operations of other blockchain solutions such as ono & dlive and I personally feel steem needs a complete rework. I do have loads of ideas, and it would make up a white paper if I wrote them all down.

Thank you very much for the acknowledgement you gave me in this post, it's really nice 🤗. There are many more of us in the gang and you are truly part of it, we r inclusive not exclusive.

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davemccoy last year

Hey Paula!!! Well I would definitely encourage the "power peeps" to ask you (hire you) to do that white paper. I am positive that you would have some great ideas that they NEED to LISTEN to. If they haven't learned what they squandered yet by looking at their wallets, then they are true fools. And reaching out to people like you that are connected to the users at a user level would be a great start. I know they have an initiative going that they are trying to seem inclusive, but its definitely not the same as finding the people that help when there's nothing in it for them.

And I'm flattered you would include me in that group, but I know you and the others do way more than me! I'm with you all in spirit though and truly wish they would seize their 3rd chance (I have the same feeling about HF21) ;)

I hope you are well and always great to have a word or two with you :)

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davemccoy last year

I don't think there will ever be anything done about it. They are going the other way and making it easier to flag in the future. Which seems kinda tone deaf to me.

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joe.public (1) last year

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davemccoy last year

yep on me being aware. Not sure if we got 1000 people (if that many even exist), that we could change it... The power is so concentrated at the top that if those guys/gals don't care, then not a damn thing we can do. Hell they don't even care if we leave (just look at the usage numbers)

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joe.public (1) last year

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davemccoy last year

I know that people think the free downvotes will be a plus to helping even out the playing field, I am not convinced of that yet. I think human nature is such that many don't like to be negative and simply won't use their downvotes, while of course others will love to cause mayhem!

We'll see...

ps...I like that you are trying to find a solution and fighting for a place that you envision!

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joshman last year

As someone who has been downvoting quite a bit lately, I will say it is a thankless job.

A lot of 'who do you think you are, the Steem police', and 'it's my money, I should be able to do what I want with it.'

People have an issue accepting being policed by their peers instead of a central authority. In some things there are opposing viewpoints, and sometimes we have to express them in opposing votes. It's a difficult thing to wrap your head around when you see things in absolutes.

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davemccoy last year (edited)

yep... and human nature too

While you are venturing into it, I think that many will not. For some it is out of fear of it boomeranging back on them, but for most it will be because they simply don't like to be negative.

Maybe I'll be surprised, but my guess is the bad guys will use it far more than the good guys. (and I'm certainly not calling anyone who downvotes a bad guy, just those that are bad are the bad guys) :D

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