RE: Downvoting to make Steem rise
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There's no way in hell I would ever consider joining a DV trail. I think downvotes should be used ONLY in the case of plagiarism. If someone wants to self vote that's their right. It's their stake. They're dumb for not using 10 votes a day tho.. if a post is low effort then don't upvote it.. but downvoting it just creates animosity and drama.. ask yourself this.. would the blockchain benefit more from 250K people shit posting.. circle jerk voting and bid botting into trending OR have 50 people writing quality posts?
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Yeah DV trails dont give you a chance to consider if its spam or not. Im not on any DV trails with my @solominer account. That way I can make a conscious decision on what to downvote.
And its not their stake in many cases, its leased. So they did not buy into Steem, they are just renting it. Id rather downvote crap content than allow it to pay out and lower the price of Steem.
Id much rather see just 50 people writing quality posts, instead of allowing everyone and anyone to bidbot their posts into trending and then making a dash for the door with their earnings, lowering the price of Steem.
Would you rather buy a token that does 50 transactions per day or one that does 50 million.. downvoting people chases them away.. mostly new people.. but some old timers too
Id rather see just 50 quality content creators in trending at the moment and 10s of thousands of users in new. And as the community grows, along with quality content creators then trending will grow too.
Especially if the price of Steem rises, that will encourage quality creators to join. But if we do not, the quality creators will never be seen in the never ending sea of shit posts and piss quality content.
Steem can handle alot more, see blocktivity.info its one of the most underutilized blockchains compared to its capacity.
And if some old-timers leave because they cannot bid-bot their shitposts anymore then good.. please leave. Goto some other platform if you want to post low quality content.
Oh I 1000% agree that trending should be exceptional content.. downvoting chased away old-timer quality content creators like @lyndsaybowes ...
It looks like @lyndsaybowes was being downvoted by a single individual. Theres always going to be lone wolf actors but at least with SteemFlagRewards each member decides on what is downvote worthy and not a centralized group.
First, sorry for my bad English, it's not my first lang.
I agree totally with you @davedickeyyall, i'm one old timer too, and i don't spam or post any shit posts, i'm until jan 2018 here, and i known people like @dobartim, @flysky, and many other, who just are gone away, don't post anymore on steem, just because of this idiots who downvote their works and take away hard earning steem, or SBD, or time. The last hardfork is a ticket for Steemit to shutdown and go down. No one will buy Steem, no one will invest anymore in this system, and, the big bots are taking out their power, almost all bots are in power down, you can check in steemworld.org.
I will go away too, because, today, i buy first time in my entire steemit time of 2 years bots for promoting my posts, with my money, and someone, idiots, like @enforcer48 come and knock on my posts with downvoting me, entire day, including today too. It is not normal what they are doing. If i want to buy promotions for my posts, they said to me, i can't, but, i'm welcome to buy for other users - what a shit?
And i will tell my entire community's what is going on on Steemit. We all going away, and we are not the only.
Out there are better places for better community's, and better systems, like: publish0x.com, bittube.tv, LBRY, CAS, and many more coming out.
So, i'm sad to do so, but i'm forced to do so, because, if you try to grow here on Steemit, you will be now punished from downvoting idiots, who hunt the normal people, and not the spamers, or plagiarism, just, if you want to promote yourself: no, no, we tell you, you can't, so the @joshman to me:
"You have the option of buying votes from other users of course, and the rest of us have the option of removing those rewards by downvoting. STEEM is all about options. Enjoy."
or the @enforcer48 (Leonis, the great guy, who buy the bots for every post, and is a @tipu investor, but he is against the buing bots, and therefore entire downvoting comunity of him, and he kicked me out from the discord channel, because i found out what are he doing in backroom with bots.)
No one invest anymore money to buy STEEM, and i mean, investing, not couple of thousand, but millions, like the people who creating bots, invested millions of dollars in 2017-2018 in STEEM, buying power, and helping minnows to grow. No one do so in the last year, or months.
Thats it, i'm done to deal with these idiotic ideas and downvoting trails. I see many idiots that they write, like "I see my DV power is idle, therefore, i join a DV trails" no matter what they downvoting, no matter they impact someones lives, works, and so on.
I see no bright future for STEEM, because of downvoting, the biggest mistake the Steemit devs ever making.
So i'm done. And hope, the normal people, who want to earn something, should jump up to another platforms.
i'm sad that such people exist, to downvote someones hard work. For me, these are just selfish idiots. I'm ok with downvoting plagiarism and spams, but not these people who promote their posts, and buy bots to do so.
Thanks all the normal people who don't jump in such terrible DV trails.
And SFR, are bunch of people, with almost maybe 60% or more of bots, including china bots, asia and so on.
But i known, i can't do anything about this, just to jump out from here.
Regards - Maya.
Well.. I can't bet against STEEM.. there's too much going on.. just remember Steemit is not STEEM..
Clearly you have no clue how the reward pool works if you think 250k people shitposting and milking rewards is sustainable, and will create any incentive for legitimate users.
I will certainly agree that I have no idea how the reward pool works.. but I know there's a lot more transactions with 250k people circle jerking.. more transactions = more use = better price. If there's no transactions then there's no blocks.. aka no blockchain
Not necessarily. Bloat, or pointless transactions, such as someone removing and adding witness votes thousands of times a day, is really not adding much of value to the chain.
Also usage doesn't have to correlate with the price. Just look at Tron or BSV. lol
We don't lack transactions is what I'm saying, Dave. It all comes down to more people buying and less people selling. And of course, BTC rising.
It all comes down to more people buying
Who's gonna buy something no one uses? Might as well be trying to sell condoms in 1968..
Speculators. I don’t think we’ll be rid of them for years. Lol
So if I write a shitpost script that generates millions of transactions on the blockchain using my resource credits and self-votes, that will drive the price up?
You don't see any issue with that logic?
I see the issue yes.. but am I not correct thinking more transactions equals a better price? Would STEEM be a better investment with 1M transactions a day or with 50?
Commenting as a reminder to respond later. I believe I can address your points in a way that hopefully you may find reasonable.
Thanks for sharing your POV.
You don't have to join any trails. You can manually downvote just for plagiarism if you like. Most of us in SFR act as individuals. I mostly remove votes where they were bought from bots. Someone buying a dollar of votes or more on several posts per day is depriving us all of rewards. I don't want to chase people away unless they really are not interested in working with the greater community. Good posts add value to Steem and we need more of them for sure.