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This post touches the subject and topic of a post by @markkujantunen.

I agree with Markku. This is what Justin seems to be after. And more.


Sad times coming...

Is Justin Stupid?

I don't think so.

He definitely is filthy rich, and to manage that much wealth does mean you need to have somewhat capable brains. Either that, or you would need to be Gladstone Gander.

I would say he is very smart.

Why Steem?

I'll cut straight to the chase, and leave the history lessons to someone who knows more about Justin. (In a nutshell he's been pretty much buying social and peer-to-peer companies left and right.)

In Steem, there is something Tron still lacks.

Tron does have some dapps with their separate communities of mainly gamblers, but as a blockchain, it doesn't have one cohesive community that could provide growth in the long run.

DLive

After having bought DLive, Justin probably noticed it wasn't easy to migrate the platform on to Tron. (I don't think it is classified as "a Tron dapp" yet.) Additionally, not many of the DLive users were likely too interested in Tron.

He might also have noticed that DLive came from Steem, and much of its community still has a background in Steem. Maybe he could use that to his advantage.

My assessment of Justin and how I came there

In a recent live discussion with my friend @Omsoc, I mentioned how Justin had bought Steemit, how he was publicizing the deal as a literal death-knee to Steem, then getting upset that the ninja-stake was frozen, and subsequently taking over the blockchain with his cardboard zombie witnesses.

My friend basically told me it was Game Over for Steem. Justin isn't just "some guy" who does something without a clear game plan.

He told me this is a guy who purposely set up shop in Malta, so that he would be protected from the law. That Justin is just too smart to not think about what would happen if he were to make grandiose claims and upset the Steem community.

Justin also didn't sue the witnesses, which would have been the go-to move of his caliber of a business man. Instead he went vigilante and took over the blockchain by using questionable, if not outright illegal means.

This got me thinking.

For the argument's sake, let's think of these two scenarios:

  1. Community did nothing, and Justin got majority power on Steem, and THEN took over the blockchain.
  2. Community gets upset, and blocks Justin from using his newly gotten power via a softfork.

Do you think these cases weren't something he ever thought about before going through with the acquisition? (After all he did have a year to plan it.)

Do you think he didn't already plan the next step? In both of these cases the next step is pretty much the same.

  • Take over the majority vote by using either the ninja-stake, or like in this case, using the exchanges and blame Hackers. (Which he btw. did immediately. As if it was planned in advance.)

He likely knew about the 13 week powerdown period too, which he also used to his advantage, to pressure us to give in to his demands of shortening the powerdown to 3 to 7 days. He could make peace with CZ later.

It should also have been in his designs, that the community would get divided over governance and downvote issues. Even more so if he used just a little bit of persuation.

He is using this divide and conquer strategy right now during the stalemate, as he (using @misterdelegation) has undelegated some big curation projects like @steemcleaners, and delegated to the biggest spammers of the blockchain.

What this means is Justin is actively trying to make us fork the blockchain.

But why does he want us to fork?

He doesn't need most of us.

He only needs the blockchain, as it provides a framework, and content to build upon. He can use it as a base for his Tron followers, and maybe a few ex-steemians (perhaps the Korean community). What better, he can likely takeover the name "Steem" too, since if we fork, it would likely mean the exchanges would just continue using the old Steem nodes for Justin's copy of Steem, and we would end up renaming our new fork, and wait for exchanges to enlist that.

He might even get some dapps out of it.

Throw Justin's promises of SMT's and atomic swaps, in the mix, and it would start sounding pretty good for new people to join. Top it with DLive, and it would sound bloody amazing to most people.

What we'd be left with?

We'd have a no-name chain with most of the community and dapps, but with no developers, no money to develop the blockchain, no exchanges, no promises of SMT's, or atomic swaps, or lucrative streaming platforms like DLive.

We'd stay a relatively unknown blogging platform that's built on a blockchain.

That is what Justin wants.

He is smart.

This is what we are up against.

Now do we have what it takes to fork Steem and make it more successful than Tron?


The Show Must Go On

I recently listened to a Joe Rogan podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson, where Neil pronounced "stem" as "steem".

I think we could drop one "e" without too much of a problem.

Anyways, I think we need to be quick about the fork, and make headway in development if we are to beat Justin in his game. Otherwise we'd just be dead in the water, waiting for the community to dwindle.

The only thing going for us is the resolution that we'd fix the holes in the governing side of our DPoS, which is something Justin himself will likely never do.

Yeah, that's how I see the problem. Do you think my logic is flawed, or is it smack on? Comment below!



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He only needs the blockchain, as it provides a framework, and content to build upon.

Why didn't he just fork the code? It's all open source. Besides, he already said he's not going to need the chain. The first thing he did was announce the migration of Steemit and other Steem apps to Tron. A token swap was supposed to follow.

No, I think he wanted the acquire the users and the dapps just like he acquired Lino and DLive. It wouldn't be the first time Justin Sun acquires blockchains. He and Ned had private talks about the Steemit acquisition for months. Who knows what Ned may have told him. All Ned wanted was the money.

He can use it as a base for his Tron followers, and maybe a few ex-steemians (perhaps the Korean community). What better, he can likely takeover the name "Steem" too, since if we fork, it would likely mean the exchanges would just continue using the old Steem nodes for Justin's copy of Steem, and we would end up renaming our new fork, and wait for exchanges to enlist that.

He's been pandering to the worst spammers, scammers and milkers among Steemians. As far as I'm concerned, he can have that lot. When it comes to the exchanges or Bitcoin, I think they will be much less relevant in the near future. Steem will survive, of course, because it's so cheap to run.

What I'm hoping to see is NewSteem or whatever sister chain most of the community will create being thought of much less as a cryptocurrency project than a decentralized back end of applications. I would like the new chain to create a future for itself on its own merits. The Bitcoin-driven speculation, the insane levels of monetary rewards attracted the kind of crowd I will be glad to get rid of: maximizers, scammers, con artists and spammers looking to milk rewards. It would be great if NewSteem took off as a grassroots movement. I think it is fairly obvious that the monetary rewards did not help Steem achieve mass adoption.

He might even get some dapps out of it.

At least that movie review site is onboard with him.

But the problem with Tron is that it has no users. Literally. Just look at stateofthedapps. Tron is nothing but hot air. There. Are. No. Users. Tron is the ultimate shitcoin, high price very low value. Utterly centralized with one man(child) in charge of governance.

There is precisely one reason why Tron is a blockchain in the first place. Justin Sun is a businessman who wants to make money by riding the coattails of the blockchain movement. And he's done well for himself. But the core values of the movement mean absolutely nothing to him. He's no Satoshi or even a Vitalik Buterin.

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Why didn't just fork the code?

Because he wants us to fork it.

If he were to fork it, he'd be left with a no-name chain, with no users and no dapps. He is banking on some of the users (mainly the Koreans) and dapps staying with legacy-steem when we fork out.

If he doesn't get the whole community, the next best thing is to divide the community to the point Steem would have no future after he's done with it. And some of the community will jump ship to Tron.

I don't think you are wrong with your assessment of Tron though. That's exactly why he wants to take over Steem, DLive, Bittorrent and others. He wants to hijack the communities for his own gain.

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If he were to fork it, he'd be left with a no-name chain, with no users and no dapps. He is banking on some of the users (mainly the Koreans) and dapps staying with legacy-steem when we fork out.

I hope he will be happy with those milkers. 500 people who post pictures of soup bowls ripped off the Internet and circle jerk that shit to high heavens and who engage in retaliatory downvoting when the rest of the user base downvotes their over-rewarded filler content.

If he doesn't get the whole community,

You can bet the farm he won't.

the next best thing is to divide the community to the point Steem would have no future after he's done with it.

I think Steem as we have known it will end here no matter what. The high rewards will be a thing of the past for quite some time. Steemit Inc's stake, various spammers and scammers can be forked out. The new chain will start from a clean slate. I'm hoping the right lessons will be learned. The only thing that makes Steem valuable in the first place is decentralization affording it freedom from censorship. Popular YouTubers, for instance, do not care about the kind of pocket change one can earn on Steem, except maybe for a handful of top content creators. But what they care about is the very real possibility that one day YouTube pulls the plug on them, their content and their relationship with their audience that they have worked hard to build. Steem or whatever the new chain is called needs to attract that crowd to be successful. These content creators have massive audiences who couldn't care less about any kind of meaningful rewards. They will come for the content and they, too, appreciate guaranteed access to their favourite content.

And some of the community will jump ship to Tron.

I don't see that happening.

If I can't monetize my content on Steem, I will do it on a self-hosted blog or on a blogging platform like Blogspot. I have already edited and published thousands of photos. I have a presence on several social mainstream social media platforms where I know a lot of people from decades back from the early days of public Internet. I believe it will be possible to make more money using mainstream platforms to drive traffic than on Steem, except for the crazy days from mid-2017 to mid-2018. (Believe it or not, but I was already offered a photography gig by an entrepreneur in the tourism industry after I had published some photos of mine in the Lahti Facebook group. When I did the same in the Tampere group, some lady wanted to print my photos in condolence cards.)

I don't think you are wrong with your assessment of Tron though. That's exactly why he wants to take over Steem, DLive, Bittorrent and others. He wants to hijack the communities for his own gain.

In fact, I think he's doomed to fail because getting users to onboard his platform has proven a real challenge for him. He's good at raising money from the markets, though. But the easy money may be coming to an end for some time to come. At least in the short term, toilet paper seems to be the hottest new altcoin. :)

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It seems like justin today or tomorrow some how he got the steem blockchain and he ruled out for everything, we just be a part of it. Is it be going like that!!

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This is sobering to the community and I am downhearted over the developments.

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It is indeed sobering to the community.

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Hi @gamer00

I'm confused on what to think since I don't see any way that this would end up any different from PAL (lack of demand and failure to create demand, which would balance huge supply after airdrops would be completed). So I'm trying to figure out what you and others plan to do and what you think about it.

Personally, I care to learn how many people I know will move to one chain or another. To see who I would lose if I choose one option or second one.

Yours, Piotr

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Well one thing is for certain... I won't be staying with whatever blockchain Justin controls, even if we have to fork.

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Tbh I think you give him WAY too much credit. Considering the recent developments w hive, they seem to have a fairly decent game plan; however, I would not consider it one that Justin could work to disrupt.

They have devs and exchanges willing to support but, personally, don't think this thing is over by a longshot.

At this point, I have relegated myself to being a fly on the wall and observing. I had taken a more active stance against Sun before everybody else but was largely ignored / dismissed. Not that it would have changed anything.

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