Dear Power Peeps, Did You Learn Anything You Would Apply If Given A 2nd Chance?
Dear Power Peeps,
As Steem has now broken sub 20cents, I have some questions for you:
1 Did you learn anything you would apply if you are given a 2nd Chance to make Steem/Steemit successful?
2 Did you learn that speaking to your customers (people that use the system) is important?
3 Did you learn that "the SPAM we got with many customers" was better than "almost no customers but with no spam"?
4 Did you learn that letting people "bully" people into submission will turn many people off and make them leave?
5 Did you learn that people like @fulltimegeek, @abh12345, and @paulag should be supported since they did their best to keep people engaged and feeling part of a community?
6 Did you learn that voting bots that give people limited upside and unlimited downside is a big turnoff, and leads to a terrible message of "greed is good" by the people running the platform (since nothing was done about it for so long)?
7 Did you learn that "circle jerks" should be discouraged and that the big abusers should be reigned in by the people with true "power"?
8 Did you learn that protecting the % of your investment by self-voting and/or donating to a community that does it for you, will keep your percentage of ownership, but bring the whole value of your investment down?
9 Did you learn that the self-righteous laissez-faire attitude that "its ok that everyone can do anything they want, simply because people don't want to "get involved" with policing others", will lead to bad behavior that eventually makes the platform a ghost town as people get sick of the abuses and the lack of power to change anything? IE...with greater power comes greater responsibilities if you want this to succeed.
10 Did you learn that people don't want to pay to make comments on social media? (ie the RC issue that restricted people's ability to comment drove them away)
11 Did you learn that Steem/Steemit is a business like all other businesses and requires a collaboration of not only technology geniuses, but also sales/marketing and customer support/relations?
12 Did you learn that Steem the token has much more value if you have many more people using it via Steemit as a social platform? NOTE: this one is for those idiots that said Steemit was just a test and not important for Steem to have value.
13a Did you learn that if too much power is concentrated at the top, then all the real governance will be skewed to what those at the top want and people will feel they have no say?
13b Did you learn if too much governance is concentrated at the top, then the decision makers lose touch with what the masses are interested in? (Note: the feedback loop gets broken and the king is never told he has no clothes)
14 Did you learn that if you ignore people trying to give you "help" via criticism, you are missing ideas that might actually be doing you a favor and improving the product? (Note: instead of being defensive and dismissive, next time try to embrace ideas from all)
I think some things that Steemit/Steem have accomplished are amazing. I have continued to use it and be a participant since the day I got here. And while I think there are many lessons to learn, I do think there was much done that is very solid too.
I truly hope the people in power take the time to learn these lessons, instead of looking at this as an attack. Most all of these issues have been brought up by me in the past on my posts or comments. After realizing that nobody with any power cared (or weren't listening), I stopped offering tough but constructive advice. I am sure this has also happened to many others and why many have "moved on".
So while this is a critical piece, it is also serious in hopes there is a 2nd chance. We all hope that things will be done differently "next time". I truly hope the Power Peeps learned, and the 2nd chance will lead to something truly fantastic.
Sincerely,
Dave McCoy
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In this case I wish you were wrong, but unfortunately your are not. Time to rethink the strategy and have a hell of an idea of what this platform wants--and how to get it otherwise the 'moves' at the top are nothing more than for show. Get a clue of the game theory and behavior you want steemit to make up, then go from there. Blindly tossing a 'tokenized social network' out to the sharks to devour and turn into a radioactive garbage heap sure wasn't the answer, but luckily the games and other dapps have come through for you finally and picked up a great deal of slack. This needs to be available to sample for the masses, once they find out about and are given a chance to stay. There is enough creative people in this ecosystem to make it work, but creativity, economic and game theory don't work the greatest under "tyrannical indifference." Many of what you talk about @davemccoy has all happened verbatim how it's described by you in this post. The key is bringing more or better, take that back better creativity and vision to overhaul the platform and become more proactive. Steemit Inc is not at fault for the crypto meltdown but due to prior piss poor management it's getting passed by outright concepts that don't carry a fraction of the practical ability of what has happened recently. So until the public gets wind of what's going on here we sit and watch the tumbleweeds roll through until fresh people replace the defectors and we as a community as a whole do a better job of keeping them around if at all possible.
well said @cryptkeeper17! And I especially like the visualization of us watching the tumbleweeds roll as time passes. There is so much that can be done if they ever decide to seize the opportunity!
First of all, you would probably have to spend about 200 Steem on this to get the attention it actually deserves... The only thing I can do is to Resteem it. Not that I think it will help much...
Now, I'll do my best to answer your questions even though I'm not a "power peep":
Honestly speaking? Not really. It feels like I've already done literally everything I can, and it actually feels like most of the things I have done has been in vain.
From the moment I got here, I focused 101% on my audience. I replied to each and every single comment I got, on any article I got, and I tried to do this even on months or year old articles. I also voted on the majority of those comments, not to give them a bunch of rewards, but as a "token of appreciation". I wanted them to know that I cared about them. This is also why I've often said that my audience is my most valuable asset.
I think that some people should've done the same thing...
Content is valuable and the most vital ingredient for the survival of Steem. I don't personally like spam, but I'd rather have some spam and active people, than no spam and no people.
I have tried to stay away from "flagwars" and whatever ever since I got here in July 2016. I think it's a total waste of time, and I've seen many, many bad things happen because of it. It's one thing to target someone with flags to counter "reward pool rape" though.
Yup. These people are amazing. I can't say much about FTG or his intentions nowadays though, because I haven't heard or seen him in a long time... But I definitely miss the SOG days. That must've been one of few times Steem was so active and fun. The positive-attitude and the pay-it-forward mindset spread like wildfire during those days.
Greed and selfish behaviour has practically killed the fun on Steem. The overall engagement is less and many "well-known authors" started to produce articles with less quality than before just to earn. Especially when bidbots became the "new normal" on Steem and they could buy their way to the top, so to speak. This also lead to the fact that many authors doesn't respond to comments anymore, which kills the idea of a "blogging platform" or a "social media platform".
I don't want to say too much about this, but from my understanding, the only reason for a bunch of people to have what they have today, is because of the voting-circles they were invited too early. And that has been going on ever since. And... I'm not sure on this, but I've heard that it was Ned who was behind it all.
I actually think that self-votes should be banned, and that manual curation should be the only way to earn on Steem... But that will never happen. People would just create multiple accounts and publish crap to self-vote.
Also, self-voting is literally the only reason for investors to join, if and when they decides to do it. And most of the powerful people obviously allows- and does it too.
I've often felt that so many users on Steem wants quantity. They want as much Steem Power as possible, and that sort of makes them ignore the value of the tokens they have. They seem to think that the more Steem they have, the richer they will be, but it's a dumb move as the value keeps going down.
Oh and btw. I self-vote too. Especially now when manual curation has practically vanished.
Yup. Unfortunately, it seems like the lesser accounts are the ones that are doing all the heavy lifting. At least most of it. So it's basically impossible to change things. You can't change things without power.
I have no idea... This must've been one of the craziest ideas ever. I can see why RC is needed and whatever, but I still can't see a single reason for anyone to join Steem and pay to make comments when they have Facebook and other social media platforms. Other platforms that are social.
I guess some ignorant people would answer this with "because of no censorship" or "decentralization" and whatever, and yeah... Those 7 anarchist-fuck-the-government type of people who're living in a basement somewhere.. Well, I guess they join because of that.
I truly hate that there has been so insane amount of focus on the "decentralized" part whenever people have tried to promote Steem. Bob from Facebook doesn't give a damn about Steem being decentralized or not.
My main business as a freelancer were brand building, and I worked as a full time freelancer for several years. With only a fraction of all the rewards and payments some people got during the time I've been here for their "advertising campaigns" and whatever, I'm sure I would've had 47 times better results.
No one asked me though, as bigger accounts in general on Steem doesn't listen to lesser accounts.
I've read articles and comments from several people saying that Steemit isn't necessary... Yet it's still basically the first thing people visit & use frequently when they hear about Steem(it).
I realized that a long time ago, but power is what talks on Steem. Many of them ignore "lesser accounts" based on the wallet size. Size is basically the only thing that matters on Steem.
See above.
Haha. See above again.
Just having you reply to it is great... I love the honesty of your answers and hopefully someone with some "power" stumbles onto both the post and just as importantly the replies (like yours). They might just find their eyes opened a bit if they did! ;)
Thank you for the reply @hitmeasap!!!
What is that on steemit? Where is it on steemit? Who is it on Steemit?
No one knows, I don't think it exists.
While what I offered was more of opinion as a user, yeah, pretty much gave up on that. No ears on the receiving side. I still remember there POLL about downvotes, 32 hours old, poll closed the vast majority agreed with it. Yeah vast in their minds was less than 0.00002% of the active people on steemit or there about at my uneducated guess.
Steemit, not stem block chain, is a neighborhood bully, and an unconcerned governing body. I know they will deny it, but when it only takes two people to decide the witnesses, well, not good.
I think the two top witnesses voters should un vote all the people they are currently voting for and recuse themselves from witness voting for two years, just to see what an organic set of witnesses would look like.
lol yes my point exactly on the customer relations @bashadow!
and couldn't agree more about the witnesses... I think they think they are giving the "appearance" of giving people a voice, but fail to realize that the people will eventually learn the truth. While of course it gave them a brief bit of success when they fooled enough people, in the end it will always come back when people see the flaws inherent in the reality (vs the perception they would like people to believe).
I do think their fear of not trusting their users is behind the issue, but unless they take that plunge they will continue to wane IMO. And for the record, I don't think the answer is for them to be completely hands off either. I think "engagement"by the power peeps with all levels is very important. And they have to have BALLS when they see things that are clearly wrong. Shit, any of us could go into separate rooms and make a list of our top 20 grievances; and I bet you we have 15 in common across the board. It doesn't take genius to recognize this, it takes a willingness to learn and accept that you don't have all the answers.
Internet anarchy does not work. The decentralized myth does not work. Hands off does not work. Rule by fear, or force does not work. They must be learning something, but they still fear the people.
Guidance by just simply stating this is what we think is best, but it is your platform also, so what do you think? The 'alliance fund' distribution, and this new 'Delegation Committee' they just came out with, is all to say this is what "we have given you a voice", talk to them, complain to them, Fall out teams, steemit's own personal fall out shelters I feel. What is the difference between the two, more red tape, not sure they have thought this out at all. It just seems like more smoke and mirrors to me.
So we have @steemalliance, (the steemfoundation), the 'Delegation Committee', and steemit, Steem Block chains own little Triad. Future denial plausibility built-in system, it's not our department go talk to-blah blah.
Still if they could open their ears to the users needs and wants they would see that we and us and them are really not at odds with each other, we all want steem block chain to survive and thrive. In a lot of ways Steem Block Chain is thriving, it is just steemit that is not. I still use the steemit front end, a few others still use it, but a lot of people are moving to the other front ends, steempeak seems very popular right now. They are listening to their users wants and needs, and making changes to how the content is displayed and viewed. (my wife uses it, so I get kept up to date on why I should switch). I am thinking about it. Busy was up and coming, I am not sure where they are now, or partiko, prices may have something to do with their lack of news, I don't really know much about the other ones.
I think onboarding by the alternate front ends is going to be the turn around for steem block chain, I think steemit can see that, and are in preservation mode, they may have left beta, but they are still in the we don't know what direction we are taking mode, so they are pulling themselves apart.
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I did not word that part very well I should have put the steemfoundation in parenthesizes (the steemfoundation). I hope I did not confuse to many people, I will go back and edit that.
you confused me a little, but frankly I got the gist of your point... The bottom line is your points are informative and should be listened to by those that want to know how their changes will be received. You have always been on the lookout for the little guys, and honestly its the little guys that add up when they want to see growth.
And glad your wife is keeping you in the loop, that's great... its always good to have another pair of eyes! :)
Is Steem value low enough yet for a true second chance? Will it not just mostly play out the same way?
Although Steem has been losing to both BTC and USD, including market ranking, I think they is a fundemnetal issue with inflation causing this an not Steem itself since it is better than most blockchains with higher values. I suspect quality content creators just don't think Steem is worth it as this point and we are left with niche content producers that cannot possibly onboard enough new users (myself included).
I think the answer is yes to the first question. It is now to the point that people are not wasting their time posting or doing much on steemit anymore. If this doesn't scare the shit out of anyone with power, then they should have their heads examined.
Inflation is not the issue at all with Steem in my opinion... Inflation is irrelevant when the coin has dropped from $8 to $0.20... The drop is due to the loss of faith in the platform, because they haven't "flooded" the system with tons of coins like other alt coins. There was once a very vibrant funnel of new users onboarding and many communities for them to go to.
They made many mistakes in that process, but the WORST was when they changed the formula to get rid of SPAM. They essentially made it impossible for a free user to make more than a few comments a day, and while it succeeded at eliminating spam, it did so by eliminating users. Now the platform has been on a steady and rapid fall from that point. Its movement determined by the downward spiral that is the opposite of the the virtuous upcycle benefits. Less people = less money = less posting = less people = less money...etc ... I have never sold or powered down any of my Steem Power and today my whole account is worth less $s that it was in my first month here. In other words, had I sold in my first month and went away, I would have more real money than now. The next 20 months of my time has not only yielded NOTHING, but instead has COST me by having faith they would get the right formula.
I'm not complaining to complain, I can frankly live fine if it goes to $0. But if someone looks at that example, then they can realize exactly why people have left the platform. It isn't due to the inflation (that is such a small part of it). Its due to disgust and disenchantment and a general loss of faith that the people in power will FIX their mistakes.
And yes, quality content creators will not come here at this point. I know filmmakers, actors, and political pundits personally and I would never invite them at this point because it is embarrassing with some of the shenanigans I listed above. Until they get serious about having a quality platform, then my guess is the quality content creators will stay away.
I see your point, come to think of it, the inflation argument is fairly weak since it hasn't inflated by 10X and it won't for many years or whatever.
RC makes sense to a certain point, but it doesn't make sense the way it is set up now. New accounts should get a lot more RC, let's say enough for 500 or so interactions a day provided their rep isn't headed down the drain. Maybe even increase it as they do a tutorial or something. In anycase, people do start off with a purpose and it limits them severely. They can be taught to 'behave' after they misbehave. It's shouldn't have been implimented without RC sharing and SMTs at the very least. It seems like they pushed the wrong things forward at the wrong time. Now HF21 may also be poorly timed as well.
In any case, I do think that some sort of floor has been reached however it will be very difficult to turn around the reputation of this place. It may take one or two spin off communities before it is possible.
There is just too much crap making a ton of money and all the big stake holders just vote for themselves or people who endless post about steem which has 0 interest to people who don't own steem.
I remember when I first came here, it was god awful amateur musicians, artists students and people writing about how awesome Steem and EOS were who made all the money. Also, I didn't understand vote selling or buying then, so I would see weird content getting hundreds and even thousands of dollars worth of random votes and just wondering what the hell is this? It's barely changed.
very well said ... all of it...
I particularly like your points elaborating on how the RC SHOULD be handled. Frankly, this was the mistake they made that really really turned me away from trying too hard. My gut told me that it was going to dry up the flow of new people, and while I tried to make the points at the time, nobody with any power seemed to care. Wasting too much of my time on a dying platform was my feeling, so I really have been way less involved than I used to be. Thank goodness for Steemmonsters or I would've probably left completely.
I still have all the steem I've ever made, and I'm sure I'll continue with it until the lights are turned off. I just wish one day you'd see the power peeps take the time to wade through these types of posts (and comments), to really learn how the users feel and the great ideas to make things better!
You know, I saw almost the exact same comments when Steem made it's way down from $5 to 7cents and then those comments went away when it shot up to $8 in the last crypto bull market and people poured in expecting to make the bucks. Then we go into another bear market and we see this all again.
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thanks for the comment... I am guessing you think by your comment that its all a function of the macro market and Steem hasn't done anything to lose any confidence (or it is irrelevant if they did so).... If so, I hope you're right, but of course have my doubts!
the price of Steem is largely market driven. I also find it interesting that you and many others refer to Steem like some entity that has a board meeting to decide what it's going to do next.
The upside to a platform like Steem is the freedom for others to pursue diverse paths on the platform. The downside is identifying and resolving problems with the direction of the platform is slow and takes a collective will. A will that seems to be sporadic at best. Part of that slowness comes from there not being a community wide consensus of what works and what doesn't, even by those who are engaged and interested.
Not everyone agrees self-voting is a problem while some think that even the smallest account self-voting is evil. Some see the use of bid-bots or vote selling the same way. There are those on this platform will zero respect for those who create content or for that matter even realize that the platform needs content in multiple forms.
Our diversity is both our strength and our weakness.
Many like to complain about what they perceive as problems yet don't seek to find ways to contribute toward the solution (speaking generally here). While others will announce that the consequences of their own behaviour is a failing of the platform.
People are messy, community is messier.
I just find it really fascinating that as the markets drop the negative takes on a higher importance than when the markets are higher.
interesting points... I do realize there's no board, but I do believe the top stakeholders communicate among themselves. I may be wrong, but it seems like the power at the top is concentrated and decide who the witnesses are. So if that's the case, you'd think they would be interested in the witnesses policing bad behavior on the platform. (whatever they determine it is)
But I've also heard the theory that everything is just where they want it to be. That if the few at the top keep their power concentrated, then they can move it up and down at their will. I don't know the truth, but happy to have your thoughts on the subject... so thank you for the replies!
not sure that they can move it up and down as they wish ... or they would not be taking the hosing they have been recently. There be some pumping to allow for dumping. That hasn't been happening. Some of those larger stakeholders bought in during the last bull run, so they need to back up.
The larger stakeholders do some communicating but I see no indication that it is in any organized manner that they'd actually reach some consensus .. for the most part there are factions who pursue their own self interests while complaining about others who pursue their self interests
Basically.. people peopling as they always have
lol... love the last point! So true :)
Hilariously naive.
Says Stemit's tinpot dictator
#butthurtwars
Cg
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That’s cute coming from someone as weak and poor as you.
Great comeback. Who's your gag man? You must give me his email.
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What a strange thing to say.
It made me laugh when i first read it.
You dont even have any integrity!
yet you imagine yourself to be strong and rich.
People do not respect you and they talk behind your back. Plotting against you.
This place will remain broken until you shuffle off. And you will shuffle off soon enough.
Then we will invest.
possibly.... OR ... I've just not allowed cynicism to take over my view yet.
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No, you’re just naive.
I think you know me better than that
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Thoughtful questions that need to be put into consideration. Wish the top gurus will see this.
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Thank you for that @maxwellmarcusart... I too wish they would see it. And not only the post, but the comments like yours too. Its really not as hard as they seem to think it is, it just needs a little common sense and listen to users thoughts, ideas, opinions!
Thanks for the reply as well, its appreciated :)
Exactly! But as the saying goes "common sense is not common". They would hardly adhere to the opinions of the masses.
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There are a lot of good statements in this post that I would love to see addressed. While we might have the best blockchain in terms of technology and use case, we are significantly falling behind in terms of STEEM for real people. While there are lots of apps on the blockchain now compared to just having steemit like in the past, we are still haunted by basic users friendliness.
People being able to sign up instantly, posts and interact without being abused and get their content noticed by other users. I still don't know how i stayed the course over the first six months as I wrote to nobody, earned nothing and had my account attacked by a large stakeholder for calling them out on abuse. But I did and i'm still here because I can see what we could do here. The potential of the STEEM system.
So many users that have left over the past couple of years due to to the same old issues. At least with the tribes some of them are trying to do it right from the start. Have mod accounts to silence the shit posts and curators to push the good ones. If we are going to be successful then it won't have anything to do with steemit.com as a site for users it will be the apps that bring people in. My first task for the proposal system will be to present for a way to onboard people instantly so that all the apps can sign up people straight to their own site and not go anywhere near steemit.com. Join palnet or another site until they get the hang of the system and look into everything else later on.
I think that in the future most people won't even see the STEEM side of things. They will sign up through the different apps, just use those and then have a wallet for STEEM and whatever token they are earning. The won't ever see the side of it that we deal with now. All it will take is the right tools for people to make this happen.
First, thank you for the compliment on the post... And second, I agree with many of your ideas and proposals. I do think the same old issues need to be addressed, but if you're right then the system will bypass the old system and spawn a new one. I can see that as a possibility, but I hope the people at the top actually learn from the past. There are many people here such as yourself that has persevered and truly want to see this be super successful.
Thanks again for replying with such a thoughtful response!
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awesome... thank you @helpie... I'm breaking my diet for that piece of cake for sure!
ps... love to see the curation you guys are doing here and I assume elsewhere @niallon11... Great job!!!
This is an awesome post on so many levels. I think that in the past people have feared retaliation from the bad elements, but now the price of Steem is so low they've got nothing to lose. People are starting to see through the weak rationalisations applied to toxic behavior by people with more stake than sense.
People are also starting to band together to pressure the change they want to see.
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Thank you very much @joshman!!!
I agree with you on your thoughts too... there is no doubt people didn't want to be downvoted for speaking their minds and now since we have nothing to lose, then there is much less concern. Maybe that is a trend and it would be welcomed in my opinion. I think it would be awesome if many started to speak out (constructively) to let the people in power know how to fix it! After all, you can't fix something if you don't know its broken! ;)
I've been speaking up about things for a while and, like you, have been ignored. No flags on me so far, but with HF21 around the corner and free downvotes I expect that will change soon enough. I believe it will soon come to pass that there will be ZERO dissenting voices on the platform.
yep agree completely. I guess we'll see but I think you're going to be right.
Thanks for speaking out though, the effort to help is recognized by me!!! (too bad I'm not a Power Peep) :P
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Some good news is that we do have a second chance but I think it will end up being third time lucky.
I have been thinking a lot lately about how broke steem seems to be and I dont think hf21 is the answer. I have also been looking at the operations of other blockchain solutions such as ono & dlive and I personally feel steem needs a complete rework. I do have loads of ideas, and it would make up a white paper if I wrote them all down.
Thank you very much for the acknowledgement you gave me in this post, it's really nice 🤗. There are many more of us in the gang and you are truly part of it, we r inclusive not exclusive.
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Hey Paula!!! Well I would definitely encourage the "power peeps" to ask you (hire you) to do that white paper. I am positive that you would have some great ideas that they NEED to LISTEN to. If they haven't learned what they squandered yet by looking at their wallets, then they are true fools. And reaching out to people like you that are connected to the users at a user level would be a great start. I know they have an initiative going that they are trying to seem inclusive, but its definitely not the same as finding the people that help when there's nothing in it for them.
And I'm flattered you would include me in that group, but I know you and the others do way more than me! I'm with you all in spirit though and truly wish they would seize their 3rd chance (I have the same feeling about HF21) ;)
I hope you are well and always great to have a word or two with you :)
Well Dave, I come and go as time allows, but I still see that unfortunately not much has changed here. There's also not much I can add to all the comments, except to say that it's nice to see you still trying to improve this platform.
Hope life is treating you well buddy😊❤️
Hey Lynn! Nice to see you, its been way too long... How is the farmgirl in Mexico doing these days? How is Brian doing?
I hope everything is going ok for the both of you and I'm super glad to see that you caught this post! I don't really post much anymore, so I thought that most of my friends have moved on... This is terrific to see a @lynncoyle1 message :)
Aww thanks Dave! I don't post much anymore myself, although I did one a few weeks ago as an update on Brian; check out the details there, but he had a major stroke awhile ago and is doing well now.
I hope you're doing well? ...all steemit stuff aside😊
And it's great hearing from you as well!
checking right now Lynn... and happy to hear he's fine now, and I'm doing ok... not spending as much time here and getting more outside, so that helps my body a bit!
I've totally lessened my time here as well Dave. And yes, outside is way better for both our old-ish bods 😊
Excellent post, I wish we could get it featured because you have just hit several nails on the head!
I will resteem and hopefully get more people voting this up, however it is like one of the problems you've mentioned. The bidbots have destroyed any chance that posts like this deserve.
I found myself yesterday trying to explain Steemit to a friend I haven't seen for a while, and I struggled to say anything positive about it.
He logged on and saw the trending page while I was talking and said; *"...this is a pyramid scheme." I didn't even have the strength to argue with him.
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Interesting. Will join this topic later on.
Now I gotta do real-life stuff..^^
thanks for stopping by and always real-life stuff is more important!!! :)
Based on this post, I’ve learned you’re naive and love to support fucking trash like you mention above. Goodbye.
Says the ultimate trash.
#butthurtwars
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YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.
That’s cute, and so original, little girl.
Aww thank you General Butthurt that means so much to me.
Love you! X
#butthurtwars
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YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.
Huh? Can’t see your comments. You’re too poor to keep them visible.
Enjoy arguing with my bot. Silly retard.
Lol, keep thinking that flagging is real power.
Still love you Lord Butthurt X
#butthurtwars
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YOU ARE ON THE NAUGHTY LIST. YOU HAVE BEEN FLAGGED. GOODBYE.
The author behind @abusereports is the @ngc / @berniesanders group of account who claims to own the top twenty witnesses. He is also very proud of the fact that he holds thousands of accounts.
He uses these accounts for:
Voting witnesses.
Flagging content which is not supported by main stream media
Flagging random accounts (usually small accounts) as a cover for his more earnest censorship work.
He takes great delight in tormenting the random small accounts and those who want to make the world a better place. Plus its a great cover for his real work of censorship and creating a dystopian future for the platform and the real world.
These abuses are all conducted with the FULL SUPPORT of the top 20 Witness @themarkymark
The markymark seems like a nice guy on the surface but he is corrupt to the core and cares not one jot about bullshitting you, right to your face. Just another politician.
This individual has become like a gangrenous limb which needs to be amputated in order to save the body.
Its time to grow up and take responsibility for our own environments people.
The latest HF is designed for the sole purpose of enriching this group of accounts.
He has thousands of votes to give witnesses because he has thousands of accounts.
PS he is also the largest SELF VOTER here. sad isnt it?
Sincerely, what happened to you? I get the feeling you give zero fucks. Am I wrong?
If only we could harness this negative energy into something more productive! The top of trending, anything over $150 would be sweet.
Is it that obvious?
Is this like when my lady asks as we are about to leave for dinner if anyone will notice the huge zit on her face?
Why does she have a huge zit on her face?
https://www.cleanandclear.com/acne-treatments/advantage-acne-spot-treatment
Hormones? Ah shit, maybe I got her pregnant.
Thanks for the link, I'll add it to my Amazon wishlist along with a Clear Blue Easy!
See, you can be helpful!
Consider a vasectomy, probably cheaper in the long run.
I just want to flag bastards.
Its as simple as that for me.
Posting doesnt earn me much, comments neither. The selfvoting i do is once per occasional post.
Hf21 wont do anything. It will make things different but thats it.
Quality creators will leave since the price is steadily going down to the ATL and posting is a waste of time since
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I think that is turning into consensus for sure @lordbutterfly! Thanks for the comment!
Congratulations @davemccoy!
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Hi @davemccoy The Fag flags again.
You know, the first time I looked at Steem and steemit, I saw an instrument that holds the potential for funding local community projects, anywhere, without burning lots of capitol.
People could get paid for activism without spending huge amounts of cash. Do you know how powerful that is?
We had a SBD that would not fall below $1.00 US in vale.
We also had fuckwits that saw the financial benefit the common folk were receiving from this spike, and they were not happy. NO NO NO they said. We must not have a token that has high value. It is dangerous for the Powers That Be to have the rif raf empowered financially.
Someone said the other day that the platform has a cancer. They were referring to the @ngc / @berniesanders group of accounts.
He often claims to hold thousands of accounts.
He also claims that he has control of the top 20 witnesses.
He makes death threats every now and then.
Those being the facts, the way forward seems clear.
We need to ban this extensive network of account from holding any Steem Power and voting rights for witnesses. Its simple really, it just requires some code
I don't think there will ever be anything done about it. They are going the other way and making it easier to flag in the future. Which seems kinda tone deaf to me.
This platform has such incredible possibilities.
The possibilities go far beyond the personal financial enrichment of a few psychopathic individuals. That is why they want to fuck it up and break it.
The question is, are you willing to engage with the work of ridding the platform of this cancer?
Are you willing to see the innumerable positive outcomes that will come when this Cancer is removed ?
Are you even aware of how this can change the world?
It just needs to become more democratic.
yep on me being aware. Not sure if we got 1000 people (if that many even exist), that we could change it... The power is so concentrated at the top that if those guys/gals don't care, then not a damn thing we can do. Hell they don't even care if we leave (just look at the usage numbers)
Thanks for the reply @davemccoy
You are right, on one level a ''few'' do not care if we leave.
I have found through the trials of life, that there are always things we can do to turn situations around.
Maybe some of the really big stake holders have one particular vision they want to create. I imagine that vision includes Steemit hosting first class really professional articles being published here.
They delude themselves into believing that if they drive off everyone they do not agree with, that they will attract the people who are more agreeable for them. Unfortunately, that is not how life works. The people they want, generally don't feel comfortable when they see all sorts of thuggery including death threats. They don't like to see people like @lucylin get attacked by seven accounts for making a congenial comment on a post of someone who is being targeted by the @ngc / @berniesanders group of accounts.
My personal vision for Steem is vastly different to theirs. I am confident that reason will prevail eventually.
We do have some community guidelines that need to be tightened up with open debate. With the free flags maybe not complying with them will see the really big time abusers receive a lot more flags.
I know that people think the free downvotes will be a plus to helping even out the playing field, I am not convinced of that yet. I think human nature is such that many don't like to be negative and simply won't use their downvotes, while of course others will love to cause mayhem!
We'll see...
ps...I like that you are trying to find a solution and fighting for a place that you envision!
As someone who has been downvoting quite a bit lately, I will say it is a thankless job.
A lot of 'who do you think you are, the Steem police', and 'it's my money, I should be able to do what I want with it.'
People have an issue accepting being policed by their peers instead of a central authority. In some things there are opposing viewpoints, and sometimes we have to express them in opposing votes. It's a difficult thing to wrap your head around when you see things in absolutes.
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yep... and human nature too
While you are venturing into it, I think that many will not. For some it is out of fear of it boomeranging back on them, but for most it will be because they simply don't like to be negative.
Maybe I'll be surprised, but my guess is the bad guys will use it far more than the good guys. (and I'm certainly not calling anyone who downvotes a bad guy, just those that are bad are the bad guys) :D
A Flag is a very blunt instrument.
And just to flag someone without conversation, for doing things that the really big account holders are doing is just hypocrisy, to my way of thinking.
We need to sort out the big time abusers first then negotiate with the rest. imho
Hi @joshman This being a 'social network I would have thought that having a conversation with the people you have a disagreement with a far more profitable strategy all round.
You may even make some surprising new friends.
This is hilarious coming from an associate of the coininstant 'flag by association' cabal.
If I have a disagreement on rewards and downvote, I almost always let the person know why I have downvoted them. In many cases it has led to some healthy discussions.
I have no idea about 'the coininstant 'flag by association' cabal'
What I do know about @coininstant is, that he was gracious enough to support me with votes and a delegation when i was being attacked for supporting some victims of abuse. None of us are all one thing, we are all multi faceted beings.
It is unclear how you could believe, that me receiving support, invalidates the points i made! Probably because it does not.
That's why I stated it was hilarious, because it was to me, not that it invalidates your point. I can see why you would take it that way. At the same time, if you are receiving actual material support, doesn't that also materially tie you to the actions of that person, at least to some degree?
I follow @freezepeach and help heal people under attack all the time, including those downvoted by bernie. You've been quite reasonable to have discussions with, I'd love to support someone in your situation. The major problem for you in my opinion, is that you've climbed under the wing of a toxic shitbird, who mounts a strange (to put it mildly) campaign to defend himself.
I also followed that statement up with my thoughts on the matter, so I don't think I was being dismissive of your points at all.
Hey I flag for my own reasons. There are no rules about flagging anyway. There is no cabal! lol 😂
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No secret handshake?
Sad to see that one only needs to take a look at the downvotes on this post to know the answers to your questions.... :0(
Indeed
I don't follow much of the politics on STEEM but I do believe the above was a massive blunder and at the time of its introduction I voiced my concerns about that.
Steemit is a social media site even though some like to claim it isn't. Today's world offers countless FREE ways to blog and do other activities that social media sites (Like Steemit) provide so expecting users to come here and pay was a little ambitious of those who decided to implement the change.
I do think the pay to play model could work but first Steemit/Steem needs to build its user base allot bigger then it currently is so the blow of user loss doesn't hit as hard once its implemented.
The other big issue I see is advertisement. Why don't I see any adds for STEEMIT anywhere ? I mean even basic grunt work of putting up some physical billboards / road signs .... would be a step in the right direction. I don't see it advertised on any random web-pages either.
This place is hard to find, hard to sign up to and hard to get noticed on. No need in making it hard to participate on as well.
I wish my vote was $200 and not 2 cents... I'd still upvote this 100%. Agree with everything you said @rentmoney. Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!